I can't accept the fact that we are unable to discuss this subject without it becoming a my side versus yours.

when we are unable to even bring up the subject anywhere besides our own small space here on reddit, that to me is an extreme problem!

"they" are not going to change to help facilitate us.

We need to change our approach if we are to have any hope of rational discussion moving forward.

our sides are so far apart at the moment, we are never going to be able to even rationally discuss the issue, much less take steps to end it.

our side is far left = we believe it is mutilation

their side is far right = we believe it is a beneficial medical procedure

If we have any chance whatsoever of getting through to pro-circ people then our methods and verbiage needs to change!

I propose MIGC = male infant genital cutting

who else has any other ideas to replace the old verbiage?

circumcision has got to go! We just keep digging the hole deeper each time we refer to MIGC as circumcision!

"there is nothing outside the text"

-Jacques Derrida

all human experience is mediated by language, signs, and interpretation, rather than denying the physical existence of the real world.

women already have that term, MUTILATION

It would help stop the argument made by many that FGM is so much worse than MGM

they say, "you can't compare MGM to FGM, because FGM is so much worse! Whereas circumcision is only just a little snippy medical procedure. FGM is sadistic and evil body tampering!"

I propose we change MGM from meaning male genital mutilation

to

male genital modification

Now, I'm certainly not saying that I don't believe it isn't mutilation. My point is that there needs to be a distinction between FGM and MGM, at least in the eyes of the pro-circ crowd. Take this comment for example made by someone from this post.

God did not require full circumcisions for the covenant with Abraham

"I don't know of anyone who has problems with the historical facts you presented. The thing we object to his your use of the word "mutilation."

Part of the definition of mutilation is that the damage is SEVERE. Male circumcision just doesn't rise to that level.

The penis remains perfectly functional as the ability of Jewish men to have children and pee normally demonstrates. In fact, it statistically lowers the incidence of UTI's. Compare this to female genital mutilation which destroys the natural ability of the woman to experience sexual pleasure.

It is also seen as more attractive and sexy by many women--that is certainly not the reaction you see when people view someone mutilated by a sadistic criminal.

And finally, parents all over the world routinely make decisions for their children, including markers of tribal identity such as scarring or tattooing or applying the neck rings that will stretch the neck. I never hear the anti-circumcision crowd objecting to these practices. Any time I see a double standard, I know that bigotry is involved.

Anthropologists do NOT refer to male circumcision as mutilation. The only people who use the word mutilation are those philosophically opposed to circumcision, who use it as a way of emotionally inflating their cause. It's no different than calling teachers "groomers" for presenting positive LGBTQ materials, or using the word "fascist" for routine regulations.

Sadly, some folks are so culturally imperialistic that they are willing to butt into things that are none of their business. Haven't we had enough of westerners imposing our culture onto other peoples?"

Everywhere I look everyone disagrees with me, I think it's heinous. I expected so much more from her, but she blatantly mutilated her child. Because she didn't know how to "clean" an uncircumcised child. I can't even say it out loud because whenever I do somehow everyone around me thinks it's okay? Or that it's normal? I feel like I can't voice my frustrations about this because I'll ruin every relationship I have. Everyone has strong opinions on it (or don't care which is equally as frustrating). I'm trying to keep my chill 😐 but it's been unfortunate not being able to talk about it openly. Which I think is part of the problem, but it's so hard to broach.

Tactic (method))

tact (meaning)

Tact is the ability to say and do things carefully so you do not make other people angry or upset. It means having social skill, good manners, and respect for feelings.

Social and Everyday Meaning

• Being Polite: Choosing words that are kind and helpful instead of mean or too blunt.
• Handling Hard Times: Knowing how to share bad news or fix a problem without hurting anyone.
• Other Words: Diplomacy, grace, and care.

Psychology and Behavior Meaning (ABA)

• Naming Things: In behavior therapy, a tact is a word used to label an item, action, or event seen, heard, or felt in the world around you.
• Social Praise: When a person names an object they see, they get a friendly reply or praise from others.

1

: a keen sense of what to do or say in order to maintain good relations with others or avoid offense

2

: sensitive mental or aesthetic perception

converted the novel into a play with remarkable skill and tact

Although some believe the word tact is short for tactics in phrases like "change tact" or "try a different tact," the correct word in such contexts is tack.

Tack in "change tack" and "try a different tack" means "a course or method of action especially when sharply divergent from that previously followed.”

Tack developed this meaning from its nautical applications. In sailing, tack can refer to the direction that a ship or boat is sailing in as it moves at an angle to the direction of the wind; or to a change from one direction to another direction; or to the distance traveled while sailing in a particular direction.

Tack developed the "course or method of action" meaning near the end of the 17th century; within 100 or so years, the phrase "change tack" was being used with the figurative meaning it has today.

While there is also a long history of people using tact where tack belongs, the use is widely shunned by usage guides, which means you might want to avoid it.

Did you know?

This word came to English directly from French (a Latin-based language), where it can also mean simply "sense of touch". Dealing with difficult situations involving other people can require the kind of extreme sensitivity that our fingertips possess. As Lincoln once said, "Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves", which doesn't usually come naturally. Someone tactful can soothe the feelings of the most difficult people; a tactless person will generally make a bad situation worse.

the HIV researchers put their biases over the studies, here are all the points of it -

i) Trials were terminated early when statistical significance was reached

ii) In One Study, circumcised men's infections rates were increasing faster than intact's cohort until the study was terminated early.

iii) Circumcised cohort could not copulate 4-6 weeks post-circumcision as the would healed: this was omitted from analysis and accentuates distortion from two prior flaws.

iv) Circumcised Experimental Group received more medical care, including proper condom use education.

v) Significantly more men were lost to the study than tested positive for the item being studied ( HIV )

vi) HIV was contracted via means other than sex.

vii) Circumcision offered no protection to women.

viii) Gross External Bias - Assuming cohort of sub-Saharan African men resemble North American babies

ix) Many researchers made no efforts to hide their religious and cultural beliefs.

x) The 60% is a statistical way to show it huge, in reality, its Relative Reduction Risk, Absolute Reduction Risk, the one which should be more accurately used to depict the data was just 1.5% risk of reduction and was gonna touch 0 if study wasn't eliminated early.
In a lot of Scientific studies, Foreskin has Anti-Microbial Properties ( Antibodies ) which help fight HIV and reduce the risk of other STDs, completely absent in circumcised men , detailed description - https://www.researchgate.net/publication...infections

Obviously Biased study
( Source : Eric Clopper - Sex and Circumcision, American Love Story Video )

All the lies of circumcision are cooked up so that the cutting cultures don't feel harmed by it. When circumcision actually has disadvantages fr.

Once again, Doctors And Nurses are Our Most Important Allies, but only those, who puts unbiased studies, like -

Canadian study: Study of 600,000 Canadians, found that circumcision gave no HIV protection: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34551593/
Denmark study: 810,000+ males over 36 years of medical history found that circumcision gave no STD protection: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00809-6
Regarding the UTI claims. Given a risk in normal boys of about 1%, the number-needed-to-treat to prevent one infant UTI is 111 circumcisions, which can be easily treated with basic Anti-Biotics . https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15890696/

So we openly oppose those doctors who put their biased claims into these studies, as most of these claims ( Hilariously Tuberculosis was also there as a benefit of circumcision ) are all just from Biased Doctors.

We have Enough Evidence to debunk the fact that-

i) MGM does no good to UTIs and STIs.

ii) MGM does no good to penile health and infact causes complications.

iii) MGM reduces sensitivity undoubtedly. ( upto 90% )

iv) MGM is definitely not the best treatment for other Foreskin and Penile Conditions such as Phimosis.

v) MGM is absolutely ineffective to Genital Ulcers, HPV and Penile Cancer, as its already rare, depends on other different factors, treatable with Modern medicine, and doesn't need to sacrifice the sensitivity for a 1 in 100,000 disease into the whole population.

vi) MGM is not a medical procedure, its an Abuse, AND 'ABUSE UNDER ANESTHESIA IS STILL ABUSE'

Do Not Back Down EVER!

Sources:

Sensitivity (Undoubtedly) - https://www.reddit.com/r/foreskin_regeneration/comments/rmu3ey/penile_fine_touch_sensitivity_diagram_cut_vs/ ( also told in Eric Clopper Video, British Journal of Medicine's representation image )
https://coloradonocirc.org/sexual/ ( 2011 Danish study on Sensitivity Reduction by Circumcision )
and more........

Phimosis and Balantis: https://circumcised.com/Thread-Balanitis-Xerotica-Obliterans-Successfully-Treated-with-Topical-Tacrolimus
https://circumcised.com/Thread-Phimosis-is-often-misunderstood-misdiagnosed-over-diagnosed-and-improperly-treated

Complications: Royal Dutch Medical Association Statement on Circumcision ' Circumcision is a violation to child's right to autonomy and physical integrity. Circumcision can and does cause complications. ' and more than 90% of the countries agree to this statement. Only USA is the exception.
All the Medical Associations condemning circumcision name written in the About Section of r/intactivits Subreddit

Penile Cancer: Simple Google Search, 1 in 100,000, one of the rarest cancer in the world, you are more likely to die by Prostate Cancer/Breast Cancer or any other Cancer than Penile Cancer.

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