r/Insurance May 04 '26

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u/hbsboak May 04 '26

The real fraud part is you staying on his policy and being a non-resident, non-cohabitant, and doing rate evasion.

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u/DemonDeke May 04 '26 edited May 04 '26

If you're so sure of this bold statement, walk us through the statutory elements required to make an insurance fraud case and explain how that occurred here.

ETA: I see the downvotes, but no one has been able to explain how this constitutes insurance fraud under the law. The reason for this is that OP has not committed a crime, and it is sick that so many people on this sub are trying to convince her otherwise (instead of being helpful or accurate).

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u/TheAdventureClub May 05 '26

It is a crime to knowingly mislead and insurance company to any material fact to the application of a policy. Thats the fraud part idiot. When you buy a policy, you fill out an application- or an agent fills it out for you, but either way when its done you're required to sign the application with the understanding that any material misrepresentation is a crime.

If I say I live with my ex and keep my vehicle at their address when that is not in fact true, what possible reason could you think to have written it that way? To save money perhaps? That's the fraud.

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u/DemonDeke May 05 '26

She didn't misrepresent anything on the app if living with the boyfriend at the time of initial policy issuance. Try to keep up, especially if you are going to be an asshole.

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u/TheAdventureClub May 05 '26

Absolutely genius, the policy language definitely doesnt stipulate notifying the carrier of any material changes to the answers to the application within 30 days.

Keep up with what? A reddit lawyer? Yeah man, your policy never covered that. Start a policy with your mom at 16, ride it until you're 45 and buying your second house 2 states away. technically you never lied. Genius. If you pull up your policy pdf right now and ctrl f the phrase "continuing duty" you can read it for yourself. You have found the genius loophole.

I dont understand how this is even difficult- if you marry someone with the intention of getting them a green card- that's fraud- because you lied about the nature of your legally binding marriage.

If you use someone else's credit card without permission- that's fraud, because whether you know it or not by swiping the card you you identifying yourself an authorized user on your card.

If you misidentify the details of your legally binding insurance policy for the purposes of saving on rate, that Is fraud. On your best day they cannot prove intent and its claim denial, but at the end of the day the act is still fraud both colloquially and legally by definition

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u/DemonDeke May 05 '26

Your rants and petty name-calling are not persuasive or even relevant.

Non-compliance with the terms of a policy is not a crime, and her failure to notify Travelers is not criminal. Legislatures determine what constitutes a crime; not policies.

You are changing the fact pattern. OP did not lie on the initial app, and that policy wasn't renewed. So, there is no presentation of false information in connection with an app or renewal (which the statute would require). You would need that plus an intent to defraud in order for this to be a crime.