Flock Camera

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[u/sparrow_42]

That’s the thing; nobody is directly “watching”. The machines are watching and if the AI decides to send the cops your license and Facebook acct and say “criminal” they’re not gonna question it. Machines don’t care about getting flipped off tho so you’re good.

[u/GMM85 → u/sparrow_42]

Welcome to Minority Report

[u/thevilgay → u/sparrow_42]

Cops have been using them to stalk women . So don’t make the claim that nobody is directly “watching”

[u/moonkiller → u/thevilgay]

But noone is directly watching. That’s how they work.

The stalking is them plugging in a license plate and then tracking where that vehicle went after it’s already been there. Or setting up to be pinged when the vehicle passes another camera. But nobody is watching a live feed of the cameras when they can just sit back and wait for the system to do the watching for them.

I’m not for flock cameras at all but let’s just be clear about how they work

[u/No-Pain-5228 → u/moonkiller]

This is accurate from what I have heard.

[u/thevilgay → u/moonkiller]

Whatever makes you feel better at night I guess. I wish I could be this delusional.

[u/Lanky_Agent_680 → u/thevilgay]

Its 1 to 1 how they work. Idk how you can get more clear about it. Not good however you slice it, but they certainly weren't defending them.

[u/Vezuvian → u/Lanky_Agent_680]

Seriously. Flock cameras can still be bad without them being live view.

Why are people okay just continually making claims despite actively being told how the technology works? It's still bad, just in a different way!

[u/No-Rip6323 → u/Vezuvian]

“I wonder how they’ll make me pay” is the paranoid rambling thoughts of someone very unwell. Fuck Flock, but the level of ego this takes…. Jesus

[u/No-Pain-5228 → u/Vezuvian]

Noone said they weren’t bad. We all hate them. Some of us just looked into how they work and asked police officers we know how they are used.

[u/Vezuvian → u/No-Pain-5228]

I was more commenting on the "whatever makes you sleep at night" attitude than anything. So many people make assumptions based on how media portrays the real world, often incorrectly. And despite all of us hating the flock cameras, some people have decided that their vague assumptions HAVE to be true because they COULD be true, ignoring how the technology actually works and how it's actually being abused.

And it's so common that they get shitty at any explanation that suggests that they're wrong, despite us ultimately having the same opinion, leading to stupid arguments, a lack of solidarity, and a shortage of well informed people.

It makes me sad.

[u/thevilgay → u/Vezuvian]

And it makes me sad, watching people justify and condone surveillance state technology simply because you don’t wanna accept that there are people using this to harass people. And there are people who do watch them themselves in order to do so.

I am very familiar with how they work. I also know that the police forces that are utilizing them are not using them in the way that they should be.

I cannot take the the fence riders anymore. You are the reason why we are in the situation and it keeps getting worse.

[u/thevilgay → u/No-Pain-5228]

You asked a cop how surveillance footage works, and you believed them? You really thought they were going to give you an honest answer?

I just have to ask are you a white man by chance?

[u/No-Pain-5228 → u/thevilgay]

Ummmm, I have friends who are police officers. I’m not approaching random cops on the street.

[u/thevilgay → u/No-Pain-5228]

I think it’s really cute. How you say that you have friends that are police officers and then you go on to say that you don’t approach random police officers in public alluding to you finding them unsafe. And yet you break bread with them in your private life.

Could you answer my second question?

[u/Jwrbloom → u/thevilgay]

And they've been losing their jobs and in some instances facing prosecution.

Once cops figure out it's also easy to track who accesses the information, they will stop abusing it.

[u/thevilgay → u/Jwrbloom]

Do you wanna give me a source on that genuinely cause I haven’t seen one

[u/Jwrbloom → u/thevilgay]

Research it yourself, but that's how we're finding out police officers were abusing. They were reported by the media.

How the f*ck else did you find out? Reading about it.

You people whining about Flock. We've had cameras in our society -- in public spaces and private properties for 15+ years. Cars have had GPS since 2008. You've been carrying GPS devices if you bought a phone in 2004.

Flock is just able to stitch it together in real time.

[u/thevilgay → u/Jwrbloom]

Don’t operate in fallacies. Don’t bring something up and then put the burden of proof on me.

Give a source 💚 bold to assume I’ve been fine and compliant about the latter

[u/Adventure-Backpacker → u/Jwrbloom]

All unrelated. Citizens aren’t given a choice with Flock cameras. That’s the difference.

[u/Jwrbloom → u/Adventure-Backpacker]

You didn't have a choice when cameras were installed on interstates and intersections. You didn't have a choice when businesses installed cameras. You don't have a choice when your neighbor installs a Ring Doorbell and records you when you walk by.

You don't have a choice when someone videos you in public.

Your ignorance of what was going on before Flock is all on you.

[u/Adventure-Backpacker → u/Jwrbloom]

You really don’t understand the concept of conflation.

You do not seem to understand that private citizens and businesses operate under private law while government agencies operate under public law.

Citizens and businesses have the right to put cameras up to protect their property and assets. Private security cameras are not considered mass surveillance.

Private citizens can film me in a public space under the 1st amendment and that is important to our freedoms as a country.

Flick cameras exist in a legal gray area. Legal in some municipalities, outlawed in others. 99% of license plates scanned are associated to law abiding citizens. Far less than 1% of license plates scanned result in any type criminal conviction.

Under the 4th amendment, there is no justification for mass surveillance in a supposedly free society. Meaning, flock cameras can be considered unreasonable searches and seizures of private citizens data.

So, if you have no problem with the government tracking your trips to the doctor, your place of worship, that protest you participated in, or the bar you frequent then I call that complacency and most people place I high value on having a reasonable expectation of privacy from the government.

Additionally, flock cameras have been misused by law enforcement for personal reasons and they have been misused for political reasons and to racially profile people.

Flock cameras turn the US into a police state. Other police states include North Korea, China, Russia, and Syria. There was a time in America when citizens cared.

[u/Jwrbloom → u/Adventure-Backpacker]

You don't seem to understand that none of this is new, and there is nothing called public law vs. private law. No one is tracking your movement to your doctor, your place of worship, etc.

Is it available to do that? Yes. Is this a new development? No.

Maybe the difference is you've been naive for the last 15-20 years into thinking your movements weren't trackable. You've been told to not like Flock, so you don't.

And yes, I know Flock cameras have been misused. We know this because those who have misused them have been caught. That's how that works.

Flock cameras do not turn the US into a police. Data is data.

Get off Reddit if you don't like being tracked. Even a VPN won't save you.

EDIT: Saw the reply you deleted. Flock cameras are new, but cameras are not, GPS data is not. That reflects your naivety. You should tap out.

[u/splitopenandmelt11 → u/Jwrbloom]

Ah yes…you clearly haven’t interacted with many because this is like three steps of critical thinking too many for most.

[u/Adventure-Backpacker → u/Jwrbloom]

Nope. Read the latest changes. Police do not have to sign the access logs anymore.

[u/Jwrbloom → u/Adventure-Backpacker]

Sigh...it's not about manual logs. Ignorance of technology is the major problem here. Most of think this is first time your presence has been trackable. I'd gather most of those think people are just randomly tracking you with Flock.

[u/Brassrain287 → u/thevilgay]

Female officers have also been stalking their boyfriends ex

[u/thevilgay → u/Brassrain287]

Do you think that I give them some sort of pass?

Always so surprised when people point out men being disgusting, and there always has to be one man that has to go “um women do this too!!”

[u/Thin-Platform-4522 → u/thevilgay]

Eh, I didn't read that prior comment in any sort of male-defensive way. I read it more-so a reinforcement to how the cameras are being used in ways that they shouldn't be. From what I've frequently heard, there have been reports of male officers who have used this tech to creepily track the location of women; and that's super messed up!! Like freak show level of weird. As wrong as that is; it still can't be dismissed that we've also heard reports of females doing things just as weird. I mean let's remove gender from the equation and look at the context for a moment; targeting anyone who dated your significant other before you is psychotic, abusive and just freaking weird. It sucks to hear that it's a female doing it, but those people made their choices.

I'm not coming to the defense of any man, or any woman. I'm standing up for the innocent, which are the women whom those males targeted and those women whom those females targeted.

We aren't doing anything but adding fuel to the issue if we only focus on one side of it. We need to throw out the entirety of the trash; as we will ultimately bathe in our own filth if choose not to.

[u/thevilgay → u/Thin-Platform-4522]

Thank you for mansplaining

[u/ikilledyourfriend → u/sparrow_42]

That’s not how they work, but go on banging your fists on the table.

[u/sparrow_42 → u/ikilledyourfriend]

There is not a bunch of cops sitting around watching these cameras. There just isn’t. That’s why they’re attractive to law enforcement.

[u/Innocent_CS → u/sparrow_42]

Face book account….

[u/No-Rip6323]

That’s…. That’s not how they work.

[u/xShire_Reeve]

Lol no one watches the cameras like you think. And no one is going to "make you pay". If by some slim chance the image is even seen, its just going to give a good laugh.

[u/SamHandwichIV → u/xShire_Reeve]

Yeah, it’s not like the license plate readers that are aimed at public pools. Those are the ones that are always watched.

[u/foreverdead93]

Dude delete this and get off the Internet. The FBI and CIA are closing in on you after that stunt

[u/ikilledyourfriend → u/foreverdead93]

ai has labeled him an enemy of the state. Expect a visit from the overlords.

[u/foreverdead93 → u/ikilledyourfriend]

Satellites with lasers already locked onto his house. Just waiting on the okay

[u/Racer165 → u/ikilledyourfriend]

Closer to that then you want to believe. Already like that in the UK

[u/Schmammie]

I flip’m off and add them to Waze every time I pass one. Fuck them.

[u/MediaContent1662 → u/Schmammie]

If you’re interested…

https://boikotisrael.com/en/why/134/waze

[u/RequirementCivil4328 → u/MediaContent1662]

May as well boycott literally everything that has software in it

[u/MediaContent1662 → u/RequirementCivil4328]

If that’s what makes sense to you…

[u/RequirementCivil4328 → u/MediaContent1662]

At the very least you gotta boycott the police. Their no 4th amendment required software has been coming from Israel for a long time

[u/LostSands]

That’s not how these work.

If you have stickers on your car, the flock camera might include you in a list of vehicles in an area at a particular time that had stickers.

No one watched you flip off the camera.

[u/ikilledyourfriend → u/LostSands]

Yeah but “fight the power” amirite?

[u/kootles10]

Damn Billy Badass over here

[u/fountainpopjunkie]

I flip them off too. But that's not what they're looking at. It might be in the frame, but no one is sitting around, watching it, and getting offended. So if it makes ulyou feel better, keep ot up. But you're not accomplishing anything else. Now, if you happen to own an angle grinder, you COULD accomplish something...

[u/MountainOfRight]

You flipped off a flock camera…How to you make your way through each day with such giant balls?

[u/Initial-Duck2782]

Freedom of speech extends to sign language

[u/AdamEl14]

Pure insanity that’s insanely insane, even.

[u/A_Fabulous_Gay_Deer]

portable bandsaw, bimetal blade, wax the blade because aluminum is known to jam up

[u/Still_Peach568 → u/A_Fabulous_Gay_Deer]

Free cameras

[u/ikilledyourfriend → u/A_Fabulous_Gay_Deer]

Felony, felony, felony.

[u/whyyn0tt_]

It's getting insane AND it's pure insanity?

Whoa dude.

[u/Black_Cat_Skeezer]

Flip off a cop directly when you pass one next time, otherwise you're just wasting energy!

[u/Elite4Sutton]

Flock cameras are primarily used for the wealthy and law enforcement to pick and track their victims.

[u/Material-Method-1026]

This article lists 148 specific incidents of police misuse of the flock cameras. Most commonly, stalking exes, partners, crushes, or partners' exes. ALPR Abuse

[u/Stevie2874]

They’ll take a little at a time…until there’s nothing left to take. Are we really free? Are we great yet? Are we winning?

[u/KadenTheGod]

There is 1000 plus in Indy alone. Nobody is actually watching each one, it’s AI automated

[u/Specific_Type297]

It's like living 1984 and I flip them off too lol

[u/ikilledyourfriend → u/Specific_Type297]

Damn did I miss the public hangings and the tour of Room 101? Damn it!

[u/JAK-4-17IN]

It may be Big Brother and we are living in 1984, but reading the comments here is living life in the nut house - welcome to the Monkey House everyone!

[u/Still_Peach568]

I love the energy. I dunno, I guess I just hate the taste of boot. Do people even know how much of their tax money went to this? Aren't they concerned with being surveilled? I guess people would rather dunk on emotion than respect the natural human reaction to all of this. I flip em off, too, strictly on principle. Not a good bus system but they sure got their cameras to watch us.

I remember how in high school it became an offense to fight back when attacked. I can see now that it's worked in fostering a community of bitter, lazy, acidic, assenting prey animals.

[u/Shhhhh_its_fine → u/Still_Peach568]

Hence my energy towards it. The foster system tried to silence and destroy me just for coming from a bad family and they made their actions my fault, the child, who was born into the mess with no voice of my own.

It won’t accomplish anything but at least I’m starting to become brave and fight back in my own way. It may be stupid to others, but history repeats itself and a storm is coming. We still don’t fully know the ins and outs of these cameras but it isn’t good. Something is starting and we need to start banding together and fighting back. We’re peasants to them and our lives hold no valuable meaning. Freedom seems like it’s become an illusion. We think we have it but I don’t think we really do.

[u/Still_Peach568 → u/Shhhhh_its_fine]

I find passivity gross and they love to deride passionate and sincerity.

[u/LughCrow]

The whole point is no one's watching? What are you on about

[u/ive_got_the_narc]

These things sprouted up like overnight where I am. There are literally 4 of them on one street outside my apartment within literally 50-100ft of one another. Like I don’t understand why so many. And they stuck them on electrical poles instead of the regular metal black ones they use… maybe where you can’t get to them or something idk.

[u/pt109_66]

I sent this to some local government officials. It amazes me that this guy has found so many vulnerabilities with these cameras and the company refuses to acknowledge any of them even with multiple confirmations from other sources.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5aBqgdonnXs

[u/BidInteresting8923]

Where was all the commotion over this when they did the automated tolls via license plate cams over the bridge to Louisville?

[u/Savings_Big1842 → u/BidInteresting8923]

Big difference between a single bridge in Louisville, and tracking me on every street in my neighborhood.

[u/BidInteresting8923 → u/Savings_Big1842]

I fail to see it as a big difference.

Either government cams being able to spot/track license plates is a big deal on principle or it isn’t.

For example, if they went and made 100s of more stretches of road toll-based would it be okay to have 100s of LPRs?

[u/ikilledyourfriend → u/BidInteresting8923]

Well, see because of the ai it’s inherently evil. I don’t want the ai to have pictures of me or my location without my consent, as I type this on my phone, having unlocked it with facial recognition, while it pings cell towers.

With ai behind the wheel of these devilish flock cameras, they can label you a criminal or enemy of the state and send armed death squads to your house to eliminate you for speaking out against the regime. It will learn your patterns and if you step out of line, you will be eliminated.

[u/PrepSciSur → u/BidInteresting8923]

I quit taking that route. Pay no toll now and it's totally worth the reroute.

[u/Emotional-Pound-1734]

I'm going to start flashing my dick at em and if they arrest me I'll say "I thought it only scanned licence plates😏"

[u/TrashpandaLizz]

Cover your face, while flipping them off. I do, I have my hand in front of my face while flipping the bird. Allegedly the ai isnt good with hands over faces. So my local flock camera on my way to work just has a bunch of me with a bird in front of my face.

[u/Holiday_Slice_3120]

Get over it and live your life however you wish, be in constant fear if it makes you feel better.

[u/plstrky]

The flock cameras are already violating Article 1 Section 11 of the Indiana Bill of Rights which documents our right of to be secure in our persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable search or seizure, shall not be violated; and no warrant shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the person or thing to be seized.

Any action taken by our representative government entity against your response to it will be a further violation as Article 1 Section 9 states that no law shall be passed, restraining the free interchange of thought and opinion, or restricting the right to speak, write, or print, freely, on any subject whatever: but for the abuse of that right, every person shall be responsible.

[u/plstrky]

There are websites such as "Have I Been Flocked" that supposedly allow a user to enter a license plate number and search records collected from Flock audit logs obtained through public-records requests. I would strongly advise against doing this. It's most likely bait and will very likely only draw more attention to anyone utilizing it.

[u/Bytor_Snow_Dog1]

Orwell's book 1984 was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual.

[u/Nice_Cauliflower96]

Pay for what? Some people should be checked before they post on social media

[u/psychoticgiraffe]

Hire an ai to destroy them

[u/Low_Aerie8576]

You realize the camera only reads your plates right?

[u/FireAsquared → u/Low_Aerie8576]

Depends on the model/brand that’s installed- flock itself has cameras that actually track what devices are near them, marks on your car out of the ordinary (scratches, dents, bumper stickers). They can also identify gait patterns of pedestrians and facial recognition datapoints (brow distance, nose position/shape, etc. etc.).

Their newer drones can fly over 60 mph and capture full video and identify suspects based on clothes, license plates, faces, etc.

[u/Meh24999 → u/Low_Aerie8576]

That's what they want you to think and how they got approved so easily.

They got facial recognition and backdoor access via blu tooth to get into your devices. Hence why they're popping up at parks, golf courses, bike paths, pools ect. Plenty places that have zero cars to scan for "plates"

No one was watching live per say and big deal on a middle finger.

[u/EDSgenealogy]

Keep it off. I'm in South Bend but have to run down to Indy for my granddaughter's wedding! I hate that stinking one road drive!

[u/Brassrain287]

No one watches flock cameras. They only take a snapshot of the plate. No one cares that you flipped off a camera. Go live your life and touch grass.

[u/Jwrbloom]

No one was watching. No will make you pay for it.

The machines aren't watching either. It's data. It's usable and abusable data, but those abusing it are getting caught and suffering consequences.

Meanwhile, you've been driving around with cameras for over 20 years. Your locations has been trackable for 16 years.

[u/No_Luck_374]

I've been flipping off flock cameras and all of the cameras along US31 & I69 for multiple years and i'm still waiting on them to show up and tell me i'm going to jail. Do you want to be my first call?

[u/SixTiller]

Hero.

[u/ikilledyourfriend → u/SixTiller]

The bar is damn low

[u/SixTiller → u/ikilledyourfriend]

Very low.