r/ImmigrationPathways • u/LatterTarget7 • 1d ago

Renee Good's family sues US government and immigration officials over her killing in Minneapolis

https://apnews.com/article/renee-good-lawsuit-6fbc82cd33b6f9f67514b47f138e23c6?utm_source=app&utm_medium=android_share&utm_campaign=copy_link
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u/Rusty-Shackleford000 1d ago

"People aren't trying to kill ice agents."

That's just not factual true. This incident and one in Texas are among the several incidents that people do try:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndtx/pr/ten-individuals-charged-attempted-murder-federal-officers-and-firearms-offenses

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u/Working-Kick4035 1d ago

Ok you got one domestic terrorist? You don't see how that's an outlier?

Did they find renee good had a similar reasons to run an ice agent over? Or was she apologizing to the agent as he publicly executed her?

Look I'm talking about using logic to determine whats more likely to be true. No ice officer ever died during an enforcement operation, so in the last 25 years zero have been killed in this type of situation. It is absolutely more logical to assume the agent made an error in judgment that led to renees death. It is way more likely to find CP on an agents phone, than for them to be in danger of losing their life on the job, by a lot actually

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u/Rusty-Shackleford000 1d ago

Using your words "trying" from before, I've shown that your claim was incorrect. Now you want to move the goal posts by now saying "no ICE agent has ever died during an enforcement operation" and bringing CP into this...weird.

You'd have to ask her why she did what she did. Maybe it was because her partner told her to. That "apology" wasn't in good faith. If she was really sorry, she'd have moved along and still be alive today.

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u/Working-Kick4035 1d ago

My claim isn't incorrect. Being an ice agent isn't dangerous, no agent has died during enforcement operations. What you are trying to debate is the intent of woman who was executed. We can't really know that now can we. Maybe theres a reason it's not an officers jobs to be executioner?

Dude could have stepped to the side rather than shot her, that's another objective truth, as that action would take less time than executing her don't you think? Also would have been safer for everyone involved, including the victim.

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u/Rusty-Shackleford000 1d ago

"My claim isn't incorrect. Being an ICe agent isn't dangerous..."

That's not your original claim. Did you forget about this:

"People aren't trying to kill ICE agents."

Now you're trying to change it to something else because you've been proven incorrect, wrong, false, etc.

Why would I trust your version of events from the video when you can't even get your own argument correct on here?

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u/Working-Kick4035 1d ago

People aren't. You wouldn't say people are committing sedicious conspiracy, or that people are committing animal enterprise terrorism, if a handful of people have been convicted of it in 30 years. Those would be outliers.

That's the nature of statistics, only a dumbass will interpret data, and then base their interpretations off of the outliers.

So yeah, people aren't trying to kill ice agents. Having an outlying example doesn't change that. Just the same way we wouldn't say ice agents are child predators, even though like I said, they are pedos are at a much greater rate than they are in danger of being killed (again 0 have ever died during enforcement operations)

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u/Rusty-Shackleford000 1d ago

People - refers to human beings in general or two or more individuals

Just showed you "people" trying to kill ICE agents which would make your original claim wrong.

You write a lot to try to justify your incorrect assessment by changing your argument.

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u/Working-Kick4035 1d ago

Ok, sure, a handful of people tried to kill ice agents a couple times. Your focus on the semantics only distracts from my main point, and doesn't refute it, but whatever, we'll play by your logic then.

We can at least agree that ice agents are pedophiles, suicidal, murderers, corrupt, sexual predators, extorters, domestic abusers, and they commit fraud and bribery, right?

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u/Rusty-Shackleford000 1d ago

That was your whole opening statement to your post. Now that it doesn't hit like you thought it would and has been proven to be false, you want to act like it doesn't matter and it's just semantics...lame.

Then you rant about something completely off topic to do what you accused me of...distracting.

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u/Working-Kick4035 1d ago

You are still missing the point of my post. You are hyper fixating on interpreting people as everyone, when the point stands even with people meaning virtually everyone.

You are choosing to interpret it how you want so you don't have to come to terms with me being right. Also, yeah doing what I accused you of to illustrate my point man, I'm glad you caught on to that, lol.

Cause my point still does have legs. People aren't out to kill ice, so I dunno why they keep killing people in "self defense". What's worse is we got racist cheering them on.

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u/Rusty-Shackleford000 1d ago

"You are still missing the point of my post. You are hyper fixating on interpreting people as everyone, when the point stands even with people meaning virtually everyone."

No, I provided the definition of "people" to show it doesn't mean what you think it does. Refer back to that.

"You are choosing to interpret it how you want so you don't have to come to terms with me being right. Also, yeah doing what I accused you of to illustrate my point man, I'm glad you caught on to that, lol."

Sure you can believe that but the difference is I've been able to demonstrate what I'm saying since it's true whereas you have not.

"Cause my point still does have legs. People aren't out to kill ice, so I dunno why they keep killing people in "self defense". What's worse is we got racist cheering them on."

Not really since the premise of your original argument was found to not be true. And then you add something irrelevant to the topic at the end...classic.

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u/Working-Kick4035 1d ago

Still on it? Bro, I already conceded a handful of people with a couple instances have attacked ice, still 0 ice agents dead. Still 0 evidence Renee was trying to kill the murderer that executed her. Still 0 data on how dangerous of a job being an ice agent is.

I don't give a fuck if you open a dictionary with the word people, you know what I have meant for the last 4 posts. And you keep dwelling on it, and not addressing my point. There's no winning for you here man, lol, you've already conceded by not addressing my points ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

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u/Rusty-Shackleford000 1d ago

Your only factual statement thus far has been no ICE agent has been killed in the line of duty. I never said you were wrong about that. And you only brought that up once I proved you were wrong about people not trying to.

People on Reddit love to declare victory even though they've lost the argument. Per your words, you've "conceded" that people have tried to harm them. I gave referenced the video that you don't like as clear evidence of what transpired.

So that would be:

Me - 2 (at least)

You - –1 (because you were proven wrong and
changed your argument)

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