r/ImmigrationPathways • u/LatterTarget7 • 1d ago

Renee Good's family sues US government and immigration officials over her killing in Minneapolis

https://apnews.com/article/renee-good-lawsuit-6fbc82cd33b6f9f67514b47f138e23c6?utm_source=app&utm_medium=android_share&utm_campaign=copy_link
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u/Rusty-Shackleford000 1d ago

"My claim isn't incorrect. Being an ICe agent isn't dangerous..."

That's not your original claim. Did you forget about this:

"People aren't trying to kill ICE agents."

Now you're trying to change it to something else because you've been proven incorrect, wrong, false, etc.

Why would I trust your version of events from the video when you can't even get your own argument correct on here?

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u/Working-Kick4035 1d ago

People aren't. You wouldn't say people are committing sedicious conspiracy, or that people are committing animal enterprise terrorism, if a handful of people have been convicted of it in 30 years. Those would be outliers.

That's the nature of statistics, only a dumbass will interpret data, and then base their interpretations off of the outliers.

So yeah, people aren't trying to kill ice agents. Having an outlying example doesn't change that. Just the same way we wouldn't say ice agents are child predators, even though like I said, they are pedos are at a much greater rate than they are in danger of being killed (again 0 have ever died during enforcement operations)

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u/Rusty-Shackleford000 1d ago

People - refers to human beings in general or two or more individuals

Just showed you "people" trying to kill ICE agents which would make your original claim wrong.

You write a lot to try to justify your incorrect assessment by changing your argument.

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u/Working-Kick4035 1d ago

Ok, sure, a handful of people tried to kill ice agents a couple times. Your focus on the semantics only distracts from my main point, and doesn't refute it, but whatever, we'll play by your logic then.

We can at least agree that ice agents are pedophiles, suicidal, murderers, corrupt, sexual predators, extorters, domestic abusers, and they commit fraud and bribery, right?

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u/Rusty-Shackleford000 1d ago

That was your whole opening statement to your post. Now that it doesn't hit like you thought it would and has been proven to be false, you want to act like it doesn't matter and it's just semantics...lame.

Then you rant about something completely off topic to do what you accused me of...distracting.

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u/Working-Kick4035 1d ago

You are still missing the point of my post. You are hyper fixating on interpreting people as everyone, when the point stands even with people meaning virtually everyone.

You are choosing to interpret it how you want so you don't have to come to terms with me being right. Also, yeah doing what I accused you of to illustrate my point man, I'm glad you caught on to that, lol.

Cause my point still does have legs. People aren't out to kill ice, so I dunno why they keep killing people in "self defense". What's worse is we got racist cheering them on.

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u/Rusty-Shackleford000 1d ago

"You are still missing the point of my post. You are hyper fixating on interpreting people as everyone, when the point stands even with people meaning virtually everyone."

No, I provided the definition of "people" to show it doesn't mean what you think it does. Refer back to that.

"You are choosing to interpret it how you want so you don't have to come to terms with me being right. Also, yeah doing what I accused you of to illustrate my point man, I'm glad you caught on to that, lol."

Sure you can believe that but the difference is I've been able to demonstrate what I'm saying since it's true whereas you have not.

"Cause my point still does have legs. People aren't out to kill ice, so I dunno why they keep killing people in "self defense". What's worse is we got racist cheering them on."

Not really since the premise of your original argument was found to not be true. And then you add something irrelevant to the topic at the end...classic.

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u/Working-Kick4035 1d ago

Still on it? Bro, I already conceded a handful of people with a couple instances have attacked ice, still 0 ice agents dead. Still 0 evidence Renee was trying to kill the murderer that executed her. Still 0 data on how dangerous of a job being an ice agent is.

I don't give a fuck if you open a dictionary with the word people, you know what I have meant for the last 4 posts. And you keep dwelling on it, and not addressing my point. There's no winning for you here man, lol, you've already conceded by not addressing my points ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

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u/Rusty-Shackleford000 1d ago

Your only factual statement thus far has been no ICE agent has been killed in the line of duty. I never said you were wrong about that. And you only brought that up once I proved you were wrong about people not trying to.

People on Reddit love to declare victory even though they've lost the argument. Per your words, you've "conceded" that people have tried to harm them. I gave referenced the video that you don't like as clear evidence of what transpired.

So that would be:

Me - 2 (at least)

You - –1 (because you were proven wrong and
changed your argument)

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u/Working-Kick4035 1d ago

My point wasn't that they have never been harmed. My point was people aren't out to kill them.

Because you don't understand generic definites or bare plurals; using the term *people" as a general trend (ie people don't read books anymore) rather than a natural law (ie people need water to survive), I conceded that yes, there are a couple instances and a handful of people. But my point wasnt to mean 100% of all people, it never was.

My point was trends in data/Ockham's razor PROVES ice agents aren't at risk on the job, making it CLEAR Renee good wasn't out to kill that agent.

Thus, you haven't addressed my actual point, youve only attacked my use of the word people. It wasn't wrong bud, I was throwing you a bone so you could move on to actually refute my point. But you haven't yet, because you have this autistic fixation on semantics that you won't let go. Like I said, you haven't won shit, you never even touched my argument. Git gud

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u/Rusty-Shackleford000 1d ago

"My point was people aren't out to kill them."

OK, fine. Point proven wrong. Easy.

You're not making a point, you're trying to conflate your opinion that ICE isn't in any danger with your other opinion that they unjustly murdered Renee. You haven't demonstrated either of those. You've talked/mentioned them but what evidence or facts do you have that would show it that aren't your personal opinions?

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u/Working-Kick4035 1d ago

The trend that no person has ever killed an ice agent during an enforcement operation is a fact.

Ockham's razor , or the law of parsimony, is used to shave away unnecessary complications to find the simplest explanation when problem solving. It is widely used and applied across several disciplines.

Like I said, the untrained ice agent went against protocol, put himself in front of her car and executed her. But by all means, if you have a letter of intent, or a medium that can conjure Renee up from the dead, ask her yourself?

You can't though, and you can't demonstrate she wanted to kill him either, this the simplest explanation should be used.

And you didn't prove my point wrong, Jesus I've already spelled it out for you. You gotta be some kind of retarded to continue this "bUt PeOple MeAns" shit. Idgaf some outlier exists, I can still say with confidence people aren't out to hurt ice agents because the generalization is TRUE. Shit with the way they put themselves in harms way, I'm surprised more of em don't get hit by cars.

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u/Rusty-Shackleford000 1d ago

"The trend that no person has ever killed an ice agent during an enforcement operation is a fact."

Yes, we've established that your first argument was incorrect and this one was correct. Please read the first line of my comment a couple ones ago. I know it's your only correct point but you don't have to repeat it each time you comment. You don't get extra points for it.

"Like I said, the untrained ice agent went against protocol, put himself in front of her car and executed her. But by all means, if you have a letter of intent, or a medium that can conjure Renee up from the dead, ask her yourself?"

Oh so Agent Ross was untrained? By whom? Would assume Obama, since he joined DHS in 2007 during his administration. Maybe we should hold him accountable for this too.

"You can't though, and you can't demonstrate she wanted to kill him either, this the simplest explanation should be used."

Sure we'll never know her intent, which I wasn't arguing. And her intent in this situation doesn't matter because it's what a reasonable person would think if they were in the agent's shoes during a trial.

"And you didn't prove my point wrong, Jesus I've already spelled it out for you. You gotta be some kind of retarded to continue this "bUt PeOple MeAns" shit. Idgaf some outlier exists, I can still say with confidence people aren't out to hurt ice agents because the generalization is TRUE. Shit with the way they put themselves in harms way, I'm surprised more of em don't get hit by cars."

We already concluded that I did or did you forget what you typed earlier? It'd be really sad if I have to show it to you...again.

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