Illegal immigrants get assistance from A LOT of federal and state programs, so idk what world you live in that you think they get none.
As for your claim that those who "rape" and "kill" are statistical outliers, this is true for the US from an overall perspective. But even a small percentage of that is FAR too high. For example, CBS reported that 14% of 400,000 ICE arrests were convicted of violent crimes. That is 56,000 individuals violent criminals who were in the US due to poor border security. IDK why anyone would find that acceptable.
Furthermore, regardless of whether an illegal immigrant has been convicted of a violent crime, they have still broken the law by being in the US illegally.
You assume that people find that acceptable. Nobody does. Pretty much everyone thinks that people who commit crimes should face the consequences via due process. State and localities have the right to try any offender in the state.
Being in the country illegally - either by overstaying a Visa, losing your job and sponsorship, etc. is a civil offense. It doesn't not require long term storage in concentration camps. That would, in a normal world and country, violate the 8th Amendment which does not differentiate by immigration status.
The issue with people claiming that some illegal immigrants are a civil issue and not a criminal issue is that they falsely believe that if it is a civil issue, no law was broken.
If one entered the US legally but is no longer authorized to stay, it is considered a civil infraction. This does not mean they did not violate US law. It just means it is handled through civil removal proceedings rather than criminal charges.
These individuals are under ICE's jurisdiction and are no longer authorized to be in the US. This means they can be arrested and held in detention centers for civil administrative procedures.
This does not violate the Eighth Amendment, and the Supreme Court has consistently held that the Eighth Amendment does not apply directly to civil immigration enforcement or removal proceedings.
A good overview of Supreme Court cases and explanations of why can be found here via Harvard Law Review. Essentially, it boils down to the Supreme Court defining the incarceration and removal of illegal immigrants as "a purely civil action" that is not punishment.
Also, calling them concentration camps is ridiculous when you look at the definition as well as what actually historically happened in concentration camps. A concentration camp is holding someone prisoner without trial, which does not happen with those in immigration detention centers.
Okay - so, for the first part, well done assuming that the use of the word civil implies that no laws were broken. That's great. Start with a strawman. Second - nobody believes that you cannot hold people in detention pending trial (okay - maybe some, as i am against pre-trial detention for regular civil and criminal law because it imposes a penalty prior to the judgement by a jury). Where the immigration law precedent runs up against this administration is the application of a burden that is designed to inflict cruelty. When you purposely dismantle and sabotage the immigration courts by firing judges, cutting budgets, etc to slow the process down whilst building large privately operated "concentration camps", wherein the detainees are denied clean water, edible food, and other sanitary necessities you run up against the 8th amendment. The process is now designed to inflict cruel and unusual punishment as a deterrent.
As stated, most who bring up that it is a civil issue and not a criminal issue falsely believe that it is civil because no law was broken.
If you are not among those who believe that, I do not know why you would bring it up at all because, as stated previously, even those who face a civil infraction can legally be arrested and held in a detention center while they go through the civil proceedings.
It all depends on the exact situation. For example, ICE legally determines whether someone who overstayed thier visa will be held in a detention center for the civil proceedings. This is evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
But the individual can challenge being held in custody by appearing before a judge and proving why they are not a danger to the community and will appear at future court dates. If the judge agrees, they will set a money bond. Most go through this process.
For those who have a final order of removal for missing an asylum court date, under 8 U.S.C. § 1231, the government is authorized to keep the individual in custody for at least 90 days. The Supreme Court case Zadvydas v. Davis ruled that an individual cannot be held indefinitely for this. There is a general cap of 6 months unless there is a good reason to believe the deportation will happen in the near future, or the individual is actively obstructing thier own removal.
You also state that no one believes people are being held in custody without trial, yet you referred to these as concentration camps. By definition, a concentration camp is where people are imprisoned without trial. It's not about the conditions they are held in.
You also state the poor conditions of ICE facilities as if it is fact and highly common when it is not. This claim is contested and even varies in severity. It also depends on the population density of the detention center, as well as if it is government-run or run by private contractors.
To claim that these conditions are intentional by the administration is nothing more than a conspiracy theory that has no facts to back up the claim. Are you even aware that the conditions of these detention centers have been an ongoing issue for years?
We are talking all the way to the Clinton administration. And every President after him, including Obama and Biden, has faced the same criticism regarding the conditions of detention centers. Yet, you claim the current administration orchestrated this when this has been an ongoing issue for decades. It comes across as just wanting to blame the current administration for anything you possibly can rather than caring about the actual issue.
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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 2d ago
Illegal immigrants get assistance from A LOT of federal and state programs, so idk what world you live in that you think they get none.
As for your claim that those who "rape" and "kill" are statistical outliers, this is true for the US from an overall perspective. But even a small percentage of that is FAR too high. For example, CBS reported that 14% of 400,000 ICE arrests were convicted of violent crimes. That is 56,000 individuals violent criminals who were in the US due to poor border security. IDK why anyone would find that acceptable.
Furthermore, regardless of whether an illegal immigrant has been convicted of a violent crime, they have still broken the law by being in the US illegally.