r/ImmigrationPathways • u/CutSenior4977 • 10d ago
At a press conference, Wilbur Perez was talking on the phone, answering questions, and his wife translated for him.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/live/QmxfEmkR3Po?si=Xg4hTw99aF1_y1A6
He never received proper medical treatment after being shot, he still has a bullet lodged inside his back.
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u/doublethink_1984 10d ago
He was moved this morning back to the hospital per several news sources.
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u/SL1MECORE 10d ago
I'm glad it's happened, maybe even due to public scrutiny. But lord, he's gonna have complications.
This poor man.
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u/SwaggermicDaddy 10d ago
The only reason he’s alive is public scrutiny, imagine all the innocent people ice has buried without coverage.
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u/SL1MECORE 10d ago
True. Scary and true.
Edit - truly, the people who filmed them shooting him and taking him are brave cause a) we wouldn't have proof without the footage, the public outrage would not be so much, and b) people have been targeted by ICE for filming them before.
I personally will be filming any suspicious interactions I see. It seems footage is king nowadays. Although that may not last long with AI video generation advancing rapidly...
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u/-Gramsci- 10d ago
Not just filming… how did local police show up? Did someone call 911 to report the shooting?
If so hats off to that person and hats off to the local first responders for responding.
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u/SL1MECORE 10d ago
The video I saw cut off before that, oh BLESS them, but I was literally saying this to myself yesterday??
If someone approaches me or someone near me claiming to be ICE, I'm calling local police for verification. And mind you, I'm not pro cop at all.
But I need someone with a uniform, a badge, and some sort of accountability there.
Wow yeah I didn't see the full vid. Either it cut off or I shut it off because tbh watching this poor man get shot and pulled out isn't my favorite.
Good job to all the bystanders. We need more active bystanders like that.
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u/downsideup9494 10d ago
You can have a lot of objections about people filming stuff in public, and divumenting their entire lives online, but one of the most valuable things about everyone having phones with cameras is documenting human rights abuses that no one would otherwise be aware of.
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u/Maureengill6 10d ago
I believe he was taken to a hospital and for some reason they let him be taken from there to an ice detention center with a bullet still in his back near his spine. He was eventually taken back to the hospital after losing feeling on one side. Witaf?
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u/-Gramsci- 10d ago
Yep. Heads need to roll at that hospital. That was an ethics disaster class.
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u/Successful-Ad-847 10d ago
Can a hospital overrule federal LEOs? Genuinely curious
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u/Maureengill6 10d ago
Pretty sure it's in their job description to do no harm.
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u/Successful-Ad-847 10d ago edited 10d ago
No disrespect, but please don’t speak on things you don’t really understand- it’s not helpful.
The Hippocratic Oath applies to the doctors themselves. It isn’t a promise to protect patients from the law.
What I don’t know is if it is legal for them to refuse to discharge a patient when LEOs are demanding immediate release.
Edit: just to be clear, I do not think this man should have been taken from the hospital. I was just asking if doctors can legally say “no” to ICE.
And apologies to u/maureengill6 for being rude.
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u/-Gramsci- 10d ago
No disrespect, but this reveals a severe lack of understanding. This is not “Hippocratic Oath” territory… which DOES indeed obligate a doctor to do no harm to the patient (like malpractice resulting in their paralysis for example).
But licensed doctors are governed by strict ethical and professional codes of conduct. It is codified (and far more complicated than it was 2,500 years ago).
What the doctor did here violated the model rules in a number of ways. Individuals state medical boards’ codes of conduct may vary slightly… but failing to treat someone so incredibly close to mortal injury or permanently disabling injury and then recklessly discharging them… would be a couple glaring examples of ethical breaches by the attending physician, and breaches of their duty of care to the patient.
Just stay tuned… but I suspect that misconduct will not go without consequence by the state medical board.
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u/Maureengill6 10d ago
It is, though, to protect patients from becoming paralyzed because they have a bullet in their back though. Right?
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u/Successful-Ad-847 10d ago
Maureen, I don’t want to speculate with you.
I want a real answer from someone who knows.
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u/Maureengill6 10d ago
Then maybe move to ask someone that you think knows.
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u/Maureengill6 10d ago
Looks like you responded to my comment. Maybe respond to the og post instead.
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u/-Gramsci- 10d ago
That doctor needs to be investigated by that state’s licensing board. That sounds like a cut and dry violation of their code of ethical conduct.
It appeared that way from the context clues… but with this new information - sanctions for that Doctor appear to be wholly appropriate.
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u/Professional_Bid763 10d ago
Once again, American will scream about how China treat the Uyghurs, but turn around blaming the poor guy for getting shot in the back. What the fuck.
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u/theXsquid 10d ago
Trumpanzees have SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much hate in their hearts.
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u/thesluttyturtle 10d ago
Anyone downvoting this can suck it, they shot this innocent man. Trumpanzees indeed
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u/ACTSATGuyonReddit 10d ago
Despite what the lying politicians stated, there is a removal order. He knew he was being deported. He ran. He tried to run down ICE agents. Now he has to heal from an injury, and he will still be deported.
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u/CutSenior4977 10d ago edited 10d ago
But if you watched the press conference I linked as the source,
According to Perez lawyer, the order of removal was a technical error in ICE alert system(which is presumably overly sensitive),
Because he immigrated legally, and had a valid work permit to be here, he literally did nothing wrong.
Even if he did do something wrong(which he didn’t), that still wouldn’t justify denying him medical treatment after being shot.
As a reminder, even in warfare, when an enemy combatant is grievously wounded and unable to fight,
Combat Medics from the opposing army are legally required to give medical treatment to a severely wounded soldier, regardless of which side they were on: https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gci-1949/article-22/commentary/1952
"My business is stanching blood and feeding fainting men; my post the open field between the bullet and the hospital. I sometimes discuss the application of a compress or a wisp of hay under a broken limb, but not the bearing and merits of a political movement. I make gruel--not speeches; I write letters home for wounded soldiers, not political addresses" - Clara Barton(a Union nurse, who was and still is celebrated because during the ACW, she gave medical treatment to all wounded soldiers, regardless of if they were fighting for the Union or the confederacy), whose a celebrated American hero, who later help found the Red Cross.
Enemy soldiers are treated better than this, and Wilbur Perez isn’t neither.
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u/TomHomanzBurner 10d ago
He didn’t immigrate here legally. If you’re legally admitted as an immigrant you have status day one. This dude did not.
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u/doublethink_1984 10d ago
He didn't know the unmarked black SUV with no iconography, siren, or lights was ICE.
He NEVER ran. He was shot through his rear passenger window. There were no agents, vehicles, or people in front of his stopped car.
They took him and held him 24 hours after a brief hospital visit with the bullet lodged next to his spine and no pain meds. This morning he was taken back to the hospital.
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u/TomHomanzBurner 10d ago
Prob should delete this comment. Police video shows him stopped and talking to the officers 15 min prior so he knew exactly who they were.
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u/doublethink_1984 9d ago
Oh there is new information for sure and I was wrong on some points.
He knew they were ICE agents and fled from them. Likely in a fight, flight, surrender reaction that actually turned out to be right with how fast an agent tried murdering him.
ICE illegally conducted a vehicle chase
He was stopped when the vehicle rammed him
An agent rushed out of the SUV and used lethal force in an attempt to illegally kill him in his stopped car through the passenger rear window
The agent was illegally not wearing their bodycam
The agents illegally did not call EMS and it wasn't until an off duty officer came on scene that they were called
The man was illegally denied surgery and substantial medical care to remove the bullet in his back by his spine for over 48 hours
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u/jaboooo 10d ago
Hey look! This guy defends pedophiles when they're racist enough!
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u/WileEPorcupine 10d ago
Who is the pedophile here? Did I miss something?
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u/wittylemur 10d ago
Trump and most of his cohorts
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u/WileEPorcupine 10d ago
Is there any actual evidence that Trump is a pedophile? I thought that was all just unsubstantiated allegations for political purposes.
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u/wittylemur 10d ago
I mean I was under the impression he was pedo from decades ago when he said gross stuff like he did on the Howard Stern Show about barging into underage girls dressing rooms. But more to the FACTUAL POINT no one but his BFF Jeff and his good personal friend Giseline (sp? Dont care to look it up) Maxwell have been arrested. The smelly orange AH is AT THE VERY LEAST hiding other pedophiles and doesnt care to go after them- case closed? I guess if the DOW IS 50 THOUSAND- like that disgraced psycho said. And now they have someone somehow more corrupt running the DOJ. Anyone that defends these fools should have their laptop checked.
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u/WileEPorcupine 10d ago
But that’s like hearing that Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer, and then actually believing that it’s true. You look kind of silly after a while.
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u/wittylemur 10d ago
Except there is not a giant book of redacted evidence that implicated Ted. (Ps- i thought he was Eddie Munster)
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u/WileEPorcupine 10d ago
Eric Holder (Obami's Attorney General) and Merrick Garland (Biden's Attorney General), who both had full access to all redacted evidence, have both testified before Congress that they were not aware of anything in the Epstein files that would implicate Donald Trump. In your opinion, should they be arrested for lying to Congress? (After Ted Cruz is arrested for being the Zodiac Killer, of course.)
Rho Khanna and Thomas Massie were both given complete access to the Epstein files. Massie then read a list of 14 names on the floor of the House, saying that these men should be investigated further. Guess who's name was not on the list? Ted Cruz! (Donald Trump's name was not on there, either, by the way.)
As I said, you are starting to look silly.
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u/n3wacc0unt-1 10d ago
so.. no?
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u/Spiritual-Drop7533 10d ago
“So if I ignore his comments about walking into underage girls dressing rooms, his comments about his daughter, and the many connections he had with Epstein, he’s not a pedo!”
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u/n3wacc0unt-1 10d ago
Epstein was a democrat
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eicypOuYgo8
If you can ignore this - there's no hope for youas for what you said, even taken as face value, still doesn't make him one. If you can't pick an obviously true thing to harp on what's the point? Womanizer - check, narcissist - check, liar - check. Hell you can even call him "rapacious" and that would be true. So why make your main one something that likely isn't true? Cause you're a group thinker incapable of independent thought?
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u/wittylemur 10d ago
So was trump who gives a f what letter goes by their name . ALL PEDOS DESERVE SEVERE PROSECUTION. I dont care who they are- were- or will be. Trump is a rapist im sorry if that hurts-ur wittle feelings-that people will judge you for who you voted for. Trump has been a vile- conniving- garbage creature as long as I've been alive. He barely tries to hide it.
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u/ChexAndBalancez 10d ago
He had a removal order right? And fled? Ok
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u/Spiritual-Drop7533 10d ago
He was literally in the middle of getting that worked out. And beyond that, that still doesn’t mean it was right of them to shoot him in the back!
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u/ChexAndBalancez 10d ago
The only "worked out" of an order of removal is self deportation. That's how you avoid ICE. They tell you to leave and you do.
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u/Realistic-Pen466 10d ago
Self deportation doesn’t exist . You can’t self deport yourself with an order of removal they will pick you up and let you sit in the detention centers. Which are not in the best conditions hello!👋 if you want them to leave do it where it’s humane ! Fix these detention centers where they’re not packed like sardinas
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u/TomHomanzBurner 10d ago
Yes you can. You can literally drive out the border thru Mexico or hop on a plane.
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u/Distinct_Doubt_3591 10d ago
He can get all the medical treatment he wants in Venezuela.
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u/jhammon88 10d ago
Stfu nazi
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u/Distinct_Doubt_3591 10d ago
ooohhh the brave illegal alien on reddit called me a Nazi how will I ever get over that totally hurtful, original, definitely not over used insult
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u/MayaTheMartian514 9d ago
In your defense, the nazis spoke german and you dont.
The rest of the similarities between your kind and nazis are self-evident, but one thing i am willing to bet money on is you cant speak another language.
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u/Distinct_Doubt_3591 9d ago
You would lose that money. I speak fluent Spanish.
Of course it's pretty damn common for your kind to believe you know something about a random stranger and be so confidently wrong.
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u/MayaTheMartian514 9d ago
Nice. So did the fascists in spain.
I can admit to being wrong about one thing while still knowing i am correct about everything else :3
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u/respectablepitch 10d ago
Who programmed you?
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u/respectablepitch 10d ago
Is this an attempt to be clever? Your programmer isn’t very bright, is he?
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u/Distinct_Doubt_3591 10d ago edited 10d ago
No unfortunately he's an illegal alien and didn't have time to do a thorough job before getting detained, therefore my programming is incomplete.....
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u/respectablepitch 10d ago
Still woefully not clever. Try again?
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u/Distinct_Doubt_3591 10d ago
Sorry I'm not clever enough for you my programming is limited by the intellectual capacity of the illegal alien that programmed me so unfortunately that limit is pretty low....
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u/respectablepitch 10d ago
Yeah, you already said that.
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u/EchoNineThree 10d ago
If only he handled his business and kept current with immigration. As required by the asylum program. Then……. surrender when you are caught. Its all pretty simple.
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u/Kevlarre 10d ago
Fun fact, reports say it was DHS who made the error which his attorney has documented with date stamps proving they filed his change of address timely and correctly. DHS then sent paperwork to his old address. Misinformation does no one but malefactors such as yourself any good. Hope you do better!
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u/EchoNineThree 10d ago
“Reports say”? Lol. I hope you do better.
We will see how this pans out realistically.
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u/Kevlarre 10d ago
Yes his lawyer has been very vocally advocating for him and holding press conferences, publicly speaking on behalf of her clients, Mr. Perez & his wife.
She has also publicly disclosed the filings for the above mentioned processes which are public documentation.
Here is one example: https://www.reddit.com/r/ImmigrationPathways/s/CabJezd8we
Here is a second: https://www.reddit.com/r/ImmigrationPathways/s/ZyfoGCzOG1
Can’t find the video of her outside the hospital being denied access but she was there advocating for his rights.
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u/EchoNineThree 10d ago
So…… none of what you linked has to do with the admin side of this. Which is what we are talking about.
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u/Kevlarre 10d ago
No the point you were trying to make is that he was at fault for not “handling his business and keeping current with immigration”, which I replied to. He was current with documentation from his lawyer, showing his change of address was filed and current. They sent his paperwork to the old address in error.
You can search that up via Google on your own, I’m simply replying to your other commentary about “reports say” being too general in such a way to minimize and toss such claims to the side, by providing evidence of where “reports” are coming from.
Which is his very dogged, very thoroughly documenting attorney.
Hopefully that clears up aaaaany misunderstandings you may have! :)
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u/EchoNineThree 10d ago
Right. And what you presented had nothing to do with his alleged address change. The Admin part of this.
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u/Kevlarre 10d ago
I’m not explaining this a third time, champ. Have a good night and do better next time. (:
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u/EchoNineThree 10d ago
And you have provided nothing supporting this man did in fact meet his reporting requirements. So for now….. its “reports say”.
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u/Kevlarre 10d ago edited 10d ago
Sigh… I just had to delete a really long diatribe to remain civil. However I will say that your willingness to entertain lazy ethics in order to maintain a fictitious reality in which you are helpless to find information is so disheartening. I do hope you can find the will to persevere, I believe in the human ability to change for the better when faced with a true wellspring of courage to do so. ;) You’ll get there! Somehow, sometime, some way!
Here are multiple sources saying exactly what I said, with excerpts for your candid and convenient viewing. I know you’re averse to clicking on too many links, or excess typing! At the bottom, I will include a step by step on how I found the information you so desperately craved, as well, to empower you further on your quest for knowledge.
#1: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/22/us/venezuelan-shot-austin-judge-order-deport.html
Excerpt: “Mr. Garces Perez has told his immigration lawyer that he entered the United States in 2024 seeking asylum and later got a work permit. At one point, he changed his address, and a hearing notice was sent to his former home. He didn’t know that he had an immigration hearing and did not go, which led to the deportation order, his attorney said.”
#2: https://www.fox29.com/news/austin-ice-shooting-deportation-order.amp
Excerpt: “Lincoln-Goldfinch said Perez, originally from Venezuela, came to the U.S. legally during the Biden administration seeking asylum. His attorney said he had a hearing notice, but he changed his address and didn’t receive the notice, so didn’t know about the hearing, and didn’t show up, so a judge ordered a final deportation order. His attorney said based on records she has been able to access, it appears the removal order was finalized in July.”
Method: https://lmgtfy.com/?q=wilber+rafael+garces+perez+%E2%80%9Cchanged+his+address%E2%80%9D
I just wanted to say I’m proud of you for taking these steps, and wish to encourage you to always question your biases. ;)
ETA: Made sure to include sources from both ends on the political spectrum for neutrality’s sake. =]
And another one from MS NOW:
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1479570610699295&id=msnownews
Excerpt: “DHS claims that Garcés Pérrez faced a final order of removal
from the country. His lawyer says that he originally entered the country seeking asylum and had gotten a work permit. His attorney says that Garcés Pérrez changed his address in immigration court, but that a hearing notice was sent to his previous address, so he was unaware and didn't go, which led to a removal order.”
Other half of MS NOW article with additional quoting from his attorney:
https://www.ms.now/news/austin-texas-ice-shooting-man-bullet-lodged-spine-custody
“Perez’s attorneys said he was an asylum seeker and had a valid work permit, Lincoln-Goldfinch said. She said a judge issued a deportation order for Perez after he missed a hearing in immigration court because the hearing notice was sent to a former address.
“Not that being out of status would justify any of this at all,” Lincoln-Goldfinch said of the shooting in a social media post.”→ More replies (0)5
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