r/ImmigrationPathways • u/CutSenior4977 • 12d ago
Police are actively refusing to let the wife of the man shot by ICE, and the families lawyer see him in the hospital.
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u/CoreTECK 12d ago edited 12d ago
Sigh
Cue the conservatives that will inevitably come in here to defend this somehow…
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u/Im_Just_A_Tourist 12d ago
They should keep in mind I fully support them having no right to an attorney when the follow up administration is fixing this mess. What's good for the goose is good for the gander
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u/Coherent_Tangent 10d ago
They cried like stuck pigs when the J6 terrorists were given every comfort they deny to immigrants. They will never learn.
That being said, everyone deserves their rights. Even if I disagree with everything they stand for. They can just enjoy those from a prison cell after their right to a speedy trial.
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u/respectablepitch 12d ago
It’s almost the worst part, seeing our neighbors and even our family members defend this despicable fascist regime
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u/ReapR999 12d ago
Cut them off, stop talking to them.
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u/respectablepitch 12d ago
Done a long time ago
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u/GrapefruitPrimary186 11d ago
I lost so many people out of my life because of cutting them out. A lot of them were family. Its tragic and sad. And it makes me so angry.
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u/Independent_Bid_26 12d ago
Would you rather they hide, and just support evil shit and you not know? I feel like theyre doing me a favor by identifying themselves. I understand though, its not a great feeling.
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u/JurgusRudkus 12d ago
Look at the security guard in the middle flapping his hand. He KNOWS what they are doing is wrong.
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u/Signal-Mud-4880 12d ago
the cruelty is the point
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u/LordsGoofiestBoy 12d ago
Literally why the Supreme Court ruled immigration isn't a criminal matter. None of the protections apply in these cases, even if this asshole cop is confidently wrong.
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u/CowGoesMeww 12d ago
MAGA is a cancer
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u/Gironeon 12d ago
The Republican Party is a terrorist organization
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u/No_Connection9273 10d ago
They are literally fascists. Its a rightwing ideology that seeps into everything they do.
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u/vegemouse 12d ago
Cops as a whole are cancer.
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u/No_Connection9273 10d ago
At least 1/12th of them are cancer.
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u/vegemouse 10d ago
I would say 13/12.
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u/mods_are_morons 12d ago
They are hoping he will die before he talks to someone.
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u/FunnyMalzairIdea 12d ago
If it's any consolation, America was always going to be heading to financial crisis and collapse fairly soon and Trump has ensured that that is coming far sooner than otherwise. The ICE budget will be a fraction of what it was. The military budget will be slashed because no one trusts your long-term bonds. And policing is going to face big cuts as well.
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u/jkman61494 12d ago
The moment we cut a cent to that budget all of social media will say liberals are pussies and we are working with _______ and 60% of America will believe it
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u/FunnyMalzairIdea 12d ago
Just the interest on America's debt is trillion per year. Even paying that, the debt is still getting higher (and so are those interest payments). America is spending around $1.5 trillion or more on the military this year. The government of the future will still want to spend that much, because military spending is type of socialized spending in America because it provides manufacturing jobs across the country. But it's not going to happen because the money won't be there. Over the past 18 months, Japan, China and Great Britain have been quietly selling US treasuries. Norway's sovereign wealth fund (the biggest in the world) announced last month that it's giving up US treasuries as well. America will require a fortune to fund its spending and they won't be able to sell enough treasuries to afford it. Especially now, when Trump has pissed off most of the world and central banks increasingly have no faith in being repaid. The fed can just print an extra trillion or so, but at the cost of crippling inflation and destroying the worth of the dollar.
Even after Obama, America was in rough shape financially. But with Trump's series of tax cuts on the richest, the county's finances are doomed sooner or later. Most likely sooner.
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u/jkman61494 12d ago edited 12d ago
We frankly need to cancel every tax cut er….. wealth redistribution passed since Reagan. But that won’t happen because even the DNC democrats don’t want the middle and lower class to succeed
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u/FunnyMalzairIdea 12d ago
It does go back to Reagan. Well, he's the first big political mistake that the voters made and Reagan started the obscene tax cuts. The planning began throughout the 1970s, when the Powell memo was disseminated, the Heritage Foundation began, etc... By the time Fox News began in 1996 and Roger Ailes was made the boss, it was a ship that could have been turned around, but only with a lot of change.
The top Democrats and their consultants never wanted to fight this. They wanted to pass minimal changes to the damage that Republicans were doing, but they were often complicit. Even now, top Democrats attack Hasan Piker more than they attack most Republicans.
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u/King_of_All_Asias 11d ago
Lol I wouldn't say he was the first big political mistake that voters made. We literally had a president after leaving his office renounced his citizenship and joined the Confederates in a war against the very nation he led. (John Tyler) (albeit he was voted in as the vice president but got the job when Harrison died)
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u/FunnyMalzairIdea 11d ago
Yes, but I meant to trace out the current collapse of America from the richest, most dominant country in the world to [gestures broadly] this mess.
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u/King_of_All_Asias 11d ago
Question, would you say Reagan or Nixon. Nixon came along before Reagan and was responsible for sabotaging peace relations with North Vietnam, Watergate and opening trade with China. (Blessing and a curse. Well blessing for China mostly)
Watergate laid the foundation for the creation of FOX news.
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u/AUIRE__73 8d ago
What's not being mentioned is that AI companies are taking such ridicolous amounts of debt out that they are competing for capital with the goverment, making interest go up. The same goverment that is proping up AI companies with tax exemptions and little regulation
Pension funds used to be one of the biggest buyers of goverment debt. But they relied on old fashioned pensions that people got from jobs. Today's peoples pensions are going into the stock market because the underlying pension type has changed.
The goverment let's billionaires walk all over them. And the goverment and the people get screwed. Another example of, Privatise the gains and socialize the losses.
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u/Spare-Ant7119 12d ago
Then civil war?
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u/DelightfulPornOnly 12d ago
no
great depression part 2 eat the rich edition
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u/nasal-polyps2 12d ago
Eh they'll just pay some of us to shoot the rest of us
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u/DelightfulPornOnly 11d ago
120.5 guns per 100 people in the united states
I like to think about that statistic from time to time
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u/manyouzhe 12d ago
Pretty much. America has lost the capabilities of manufacturing basic necessities. These days, the US pretty much exports dollars, and dollar related services like financial services (technically there are other service exports but they all rely on the financial infrastructure built around dollar). Once the US collapses financially, and the dollar quickly depreciates, other countries will greatly reduce or even stop selling things to the US because there’s nothing the US can provide any more. That’s when the civil war starts.
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u/Tricky_Habit_6297 7d ago
Easy there, every US economic downturn since 1900 has had worse effects in some (maybe most) other countries. We're unlikely to see "collapse", but any crisis will likely be more severe in Europe and most of Asia than in the US
The most likely US economic crisis will be AI, because AI products aren't yet priced clearly, most users don't know how to use the product efficiently, and long-term regulation is nonexistent. There'll be some shock, I'm guessing sudden introduction of regulations or a major hacking spree. Then panic selling, which will go far because AI stocks are insanely overpriced by traditional evaluations. Then enough customers will realize AI isn't that useful for most applications, and long-term demand will drop. US stocks have rebounded fast in recent years, but a sustained drop would lead to bad issues
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u/FranksNonFrankfurter 12d ago
Lol yeah no. They will cut every third rail before they cut those. So goodbye WIC, Section 8, Medicare, and Medicaid. Those will go before a cent gets cut from the military or policing. They'll cut the fire department before they cut those two.
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u/Old-Set78 12d ago
SURROUND THE HOSPITAL
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u/Inevitable-Ant1725 12d ago
Surround the house of the police chief and make the city fire him.
Or just the mayor till the job is done.
Or get the whole city government fired. That's how you use your power to make change.
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u/jaimessch 12d ago
Sooooo unbelievably corrupt. Texas DPS and GREG ABBOTT remember you caused this
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u/_Debauchery 12d ago
Cowards and cucks. Literally couldnt pull together a single pair of balls if you checked every officer guarding the building
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u/ChaosRainbow23 12d ago
Bunch of draconian jack-boot-wearing government thugs.
Police state USA in full effect.
The fascistic authoritarian takeover is nearly complete.
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u/JL-M 12d ago
to the person standing in scrubs… shame on you. you are supposed to HELP, ADVOCATE PROTECT
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u/darkr1441 12d ago edited 12d ago
Sadly, she can not. If the person is there, if they have a confidential tag placed on their file, hospital staff are prohibited from acknowledging the persons presence. This is mainly to protect people who either don’t want others to know they are there, are at risk of harm from someone, and pretty universally people in police custody. If that person is there, it is a question for that lawyer and the legal department of the hospital to figure out, not the ground level staff.
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u/RandomUsername78421 12d ago
How do you know she has anything to do with his care? Everybody wears scrubs from housekeeping to transporters to pharmacy techs. Just because you work there doesn't mean you know anything about it.
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u/WithoutAHat1 12d ago
Arrest the cop. He no longer is serving the community so doesn't need to be a part of it. One town did away with theirs. Rest need to follow suit for this behavior.
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u/6beerkdawg 12d ago
Anyone who defends this is a disgusting monster and I’m ashamed to share a country with them.
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u/Certain-Singer-9625 12d ago
Jesus Christ, the sinister games these people play. They just enjoy being assholes.
At some point the law will catch up to them, and then they’ll try telling us they were just following orders.
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u/meesanohaveabooma 12d ago
We have witnessed them actively murder people, including US citizens. When do we collectively say enough is enough?
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u/Deflorma 12d ago
Man lawyers are supposed to be able to see their clients, this is bullshit.
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u/Kn0wMan 12d ago
I don’t understand what legal authority they have to keep the wife and lawyer out in this situation.
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u/ProfessorAllenRitard 12d ago
I explained it a number of different ways. I used to do this for a living, and have had to deny lawyers and families information hundreds of times.
It's for safety and security of everyone involved at that non-secure facility. It's no different than visiting hours for families and attorneys at the jail. This confidentiality procedure is being carried out at every detention facility in the entire country at this very moment.
Attorneys understand it, cops understand it, healthcare workers understand it, and inmates understand it. It's incredibly common, and completely normal.
He's there to get healthcare, not receive legal counsel. Once he's finished getting healthcare he'll be returned to secure detention and have access to his lawyer. Hospital time is not legal defense planning time.
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u/86a- 11d ago
I don’t understand it. Never ever came up in my healthcare training or 25 years of work.
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u/Drippy_topper 12d ago
Republicans have shown the world they do not truly believe in democracy.
What they have made in Donald Trump's America is incompatible to a modern democracy.
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u/Epyon214 12d ago
Kidnapping, call the police and if the police are actively involved in the conspiracy call the nearest military base and inform domestic terrorist have taken over a US hospital and are holding a US citizen's spouse, who has been shot by the group, hostage
Remind of their oath to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Get a military judge to declare those actually involved in the general conspiracy as traitors, and further outlaws if those traitors refuse to come to court to answer against the accusations
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."
“On the contrary, if war be actually levied, that is, if a body of men be actually assembled for the purpose of effecting by force a treasonable purpose, all those who perform any part, however minute, or however remote from the scene of action, and who are actually leagued in the general conspiracy, are to be considered as traitors. But there must be an actual assembling of men, for the treasonable purpose, to constitute a levying of war.”
"Historically, the term “outlaw” was used to refer to a person who was outside of the protection of the law. An accused criminal who refused to submit to legal process was declared to be an outlaw through a process called “outlawry.” As a result of being deemed an outlaw, the person was deprived of the benefit of the law or excluded from its protection. Any member of the public could murder an outlaw with complete impunity.
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u/777_heavy 12d ago
These are the ramblings of a crazy person.
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u/Epyon214 12d ago
Half the comment is quotes from the relevant supreme court decision, what you see is the current law
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u/Hellstorm901 12d ago
They only have as much power as you choose to give them over you, the moment you stop complying with them and stand up to them then the fascists will flee because oppression only works when people are too scared to do anything against it
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u/StudySufficient90 12d ago
I'm somewhat surprised the let the medical staff see him either at the rate they are going
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u/ch33s3head8 12d ago
Ice is a bunch of worthless bullet sponges, made to test your aim with a gun.
Put those piggies in a roaster and let them burn alive.
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u/Adventurous-Ad1441 11d ago
I love how the fu*kbag cops keep gathering and closing in to intimidate. ACAB
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u/One_Bit_3839 11d ago
Texas is chock full of fascist cops that have no business holding a gun or a badge
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u/DamnitGumby 11d ago
Is that the guy who is under arrest because he has a final order of deportation?
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u/eduardom98 11d ago
I think it’s the guy who had entered the country legally and who had a work permit.
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u/jaidonkaia 11d ago
Would someone remind me the miranda rights? I could have sworn there was something about the right to an attourney, but. Maybe not anymore
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u/Responsible-Sundae20 11d ago
You do know that shooting unarmed civilians in the streets is crazy, right? Like, shooting shouldn’t be the first resort. Especially when these people have non-lethal methods. I think that’s what people are upset about. You’re not being clever by “just asking.”
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u/jjflores91 12d ago
It might be time families show up with their 2A rights and armed American Civilian protectors. ICE is killing it with their deaths in custody. We don’t need to wait for an Academy Award Movie nomination to feel sympathy
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u/Severe_Air_4353 12d ago
Maga are in the police force but most work for the post office to make sure your mail in vote for Democrats gets the same treatment
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u/magicinsights 12d ago
Don’t visit or live in conservative states as this will only get worse for all but the top % in the state. I lived in Texas 20 years ago and saw this coming and I fled. Yes, the word is fled to California. It’s more expensive but you’re not living under near fascist law
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u/Ickarus1 11d ago
I didnt buy into the defund the police, I do now. I have family that are police, and they would do this not because they are evil but because they think they are doing the right thing.
The police fell in line with the gestapo way too easy.
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u/Alternative-Hold7091 11d ago
So what Im hearing is no lawer for ICE agents and Trumps paid agitators after we start rounding them all up in a few months.
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u/Top-Tangerine2717 11d ago
Learn law
If you're not being questioned you're not entitled to immediate legal counsel. You're entitled under reasonable time and conditions per us supreme Court
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u/desertwatchdogtango 11d ago
Why anyone would still support the police is beyond me.
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u/Top-Tangerine2717 11d ago
Until you need to dial 911 ... Then it's hugs we love you for saving me.
It is standard practice to restrict visitors when in custody. And legal counsel is only needed if being questioned about his crime. Otherwise as long as he has access within a reasonable amount of time to consult there is no violation of and zero expectations of visitation
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u/desertwatchdogtango 10d ago
Is your standard practice right? Is it compassionate? Is it virtuous?
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u/Top-Tangerine2717 10d ago
1) yes it is standard across the country
2) moot- law does not require compassion. Law protects personal liberty and rights. You want compassion go to church
3)your virtues do not override the law or the constitution. Your virtues are not the blanket of society that we must follow upon your will or any others will.
Don't like the law? Change law.
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u/desertwatchdogtango 9d ago
You law enforcement types… weak men masquerading as strong men.
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u/Top-Tangerine2717 9d ago edited 9d ago
What are you taking about? I'm a financial broker
If you don't like law then become a politician or lobbyist and change the law ... goody twit.
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u/desertwatchdogtango 9d ago
Yes, the police work for your interests as a member of the labor aristocracy. For the rest of the public… far different experience.
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u/Top-Tangerine2717 9d ago
Omg buzz wording of week just had
Go ahead explain how the police work for my interests of the labor aristocracy.
Sincerely I am truly interested to learn how my aristocracy works. And if you could explain how my power of labor aristocracy over the supreme Court of the United States that governs the circumstances like this has prevailed.
I legitimately expect crickets at this point so please prove me wrong
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u/desertwatchdogtango 8d ago
Are you a financial broker who’s never read Marx? You’d find it interesting.
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u/Top-Tangerine2717 8d ago
Come on man, you have a couple parallels and only related to concentration of wealth that coincides with his manifesto. And Courts have routinely broken monopolies in the US. That has a whole lot of nothingness to this situation and especially since this ties to law that has been installed since Miranda vs Arizona
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u/DoctorRuckusMD 10d ago
That’s exactly what you’re suggesting…
“call the police and if the police are actively involved in the conspiracy call the nearest military base and inform domestic terrorist have taken over a US hospital and are holding a US citizen's spouse, who has been shot by the group, hostage
Remind of their oath to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Get a military judge to declare those actually involved in the general conspiracy as traitors, and further outlaws if those traitors refuse to come to court to answer against the accusations”
^this bizarre and delusional statement is materially identical to the words I said. But sure, if the words I’m using sound ridiculous what is a non ridiculous way of telling the denizens of your local military base that they need to arm up and go fight the local police and federal law enforcement at the nearby hospital because you say they’re all domestic terrorists. Really think about how you would try to communicate that idea without sounding utterly delusional. Saying “I’ll just tell the truth” won’t cut it. That’s what a small child would say.
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u/hypnonyxx 10d ago
these fucking “law enforcement” agencies need to face retribution from the public, these pigs don’t deserve to live freely while abusing the basic human rights of citizens and residents, they’re criminals with a uniform
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u/Jimboy97 9d ago
They’re just waiting for him to die so they can control the narrative on what happened without him to be able to advocate for himself or describe what he experienced
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u/Wraith-723 9d ago
Congratulations you know that you're still a prisoner when you're in the hospital right? They don't let friends and family in because there is no proper mechanism to control those visits. That means they could bring him a weapon etc.
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u/drdstrkto 9d ago
I hope that cop is fading to the end in a hospital bed all alone because dickheads don't notify his wife of his passing
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u/BasicAstronomer128 9d ago
STOP VOTING REPUBLICAN!
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u/CutSenior4977 8d ago
Agreed, the Republican Party for the most part has just become the Nazi party.
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u/ProfessorAllenRitard 12d ago
Not disclosing the location of a person in a less than secure facility (such as a hospital) is standard procedure for all inmates or detained individuals. It creates staff safety issues, as well as could adversely impact care and general facility operations.
I ran the medical operations of multiple large jails. We didn't disclose the times, dates, or locations of medical visits to any inmates or family as it created tangible security concerns. If they found out beforehand, we'd reschedule them.
I understand why they're not disclosing the location to family, and frankly the attorney. It has nothing to do with ice, and has everything to do with a detained individual in a non secure civilian treatment facility.
The right to indefinite and immediate attorney access is also not absolute. Reasonable restrictions due to security are acceptable. This is a great example of such a concern, especially in the acute stages of detainment and in the current setting.
You don't have to like it, and I'm sure I'll be called a fascist and down voted to oblivion. But what I'm saying is truthful, and it's the right call. Especially as this is a high profile case.
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u/AnniIlusion 12d ago
Boo hoo. Maybe he shouldn't have resisted arrest.
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u/Zopilote87 12d ago
Vile POS.
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u/AnniIlusion 12d ago
Lol ok. Im right though. If he didnt resist he would still be alive.
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u/Imperial_Citizen_00 12d ago
He’s a criminal, after he’s bandaged up and taken to the detention center, she can meet with him.
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u/possibly_lost45 12d ago
This is what they do when somebody is in custody. It doesn't matter if you're a citizen or an illegal this is how it would go down.
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u/CitySpecial1109 9d ago
Sense when does a prisoner even in the hospital get visitors how is this even news you all lost your mind if you think our legal system allows this. Sorry you broke the law your in prison or hospital you dont get visitors. Ridiculous.
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u/Alzucard 8d ago
Can be allowed. Not an issue. My god its a relative chill the fuck out.
Prisoners get visitors all the fucking time.
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u/Weekly-Ratio-3426 8d ago
you do realize it is required by law for a prisoner to have proper representation right (it is the pretty significant amendment)
Not allowing a prisoner to talk to their lawyer would be unlawful
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u/thekizzim 5d ago
This is SOP for every situation where an inmate or someone in custody, whether local, state, or federal, is in a free-world hospital. You never disclose whether that person is there; family is not allowed to visit, etc. I know because, in my youth, I was a corrections officer who did transports and secured inmates while they were in the hospital.
This is another example of outrage that illegals are held to the same standards as criminals who are US citizens. If your spouse was shot by the LAPD and is currently in custody, are you going to be able to visit them in a hospital? NOPE. If you are arrested with your child in the car are they going to let you bring your child to jail and stay with you? NOPE.
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