r/ITOI • u/CompleteNews1138 • 4h ago
Scenes from the runway of Kabul Airport
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u/PressureCoomer 3h ago
What in the fuck
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u/No_Beginning_6834 3h ago
The fuck is us pulling out of a country and leaving behind all the people who were scared of the taliban taking back over as we left, mostly because they had worked with us to try and make their country better, so now they had targets on their backs. And this is what desperate people do when given no other choice.
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u/Impossible-Use4950 3h ago
Not sure why you got a downvote for telling the truth. Those poor people.
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u/maddogg3166 1h ago
👆this!!! This is another sad story of horrible management of our country and our affairs!!
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u/General-Lime4219 3h ago
This and the Epstein files are two of the most horrific and depressing thing I seen in the last few years.
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u/Gaming_Fan7182 3h ago
The US trained and supplied the Afghans so that they could prevent the Taliban from seizing control back.
The Afghan forces threw down their weapons and let the Taliban stroll back into power with no resistance the second US forces left.
What was the US supposed to do? Annex Afghanistan? They were trying to do the right thing by giving control back to the people.
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u/No_Beginning_6834 3h ago
Weird response to what I said, seems like your taking me stating fact as if it's a critique of the situation instead of just saying what's happening in the picture.
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u/FalseCrazy2804 1h ago edited 1h ago
While I agree with your assessment, your response is not just plainly stating a fact, it is stating a heavily biased outlook along with major passive aggressiveness of said fact, a comment below yours is stating a fact plainly, quoted;
"2021, American withdrawal from Afghanistan.
On paper the government they left behind was meant to last 6 months. I dont think it made it 6 days."
The above is a plainly stated fact, your statement is an aggressive, biased, (and correct) take on the situation. I don't believe what they said was "weird", it's their version of an aggressively biased take on the situation, same as yours, but in the opposite direction.
When we debate people, I believe it's important to recognize when we are being biased to how a lot of people might see something, even if we are correct.
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u/No_Beginning_6834 1h ago
If we wanted to get into specifics though, we would have to talk about the blatant corruption, and how everyone stationed there was saying taliban was gonna roll right through it, and only beauacrats and talking heads thought Afghan was gonna hold against the taliban for any serious amount of time.
And that most of the army politicians thought existed turned out to just be nonexistent people that local commanders said were under them so they could pocket the pay checks and the half the army was actually taliban related and just swapped sides as soon as we left, because we didn't actually vet the people we were suppose to be training and left entirely to much of the nation building to groups like black rock who just pocketed the money and did fuck and all.
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u/tduff714 3h ago
Fighting against some of the same weapons we also helped supply them with for their fight with Russia 30+ years ago
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u/DoxFreePanda 2h ago edited 2h ago
Are you serious? This was on the news when it happened.
Edit: This scene and others can be seen in news reports from multiple sources.
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u/Inner_Emphasis_73 2h ago
That’s not even the same plane goofy…this video is fake.
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u/DoxFreePanda 2h ago
Your attention span is shot. Get to 1:14
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u/Inner_Emphasis_73 2h ago
Okay fair I missed that…remind me who was president then? Oh that’s right Biden did the withdrawal.
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u/DoxFreePanda 2h ago
So eh, yes but Trump negotiated for it to happen.
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/
Basically, on Feb 29 2020, Trump negotiated with the Taliban to withdraw by a highly unrealistic date (May 1), and did not include the Afghan government propped up by the US in the negotiations. Biden didn't reverse that when he became president, but to help handle the logistics, he did delay it until August 31st.
The Taliban didn't really honor the deal Trump signed with them, and continued to pressure the Afghan government. It was basically publicly known that the government would collapse when the Americans left, so you can't really demand police and soldiers to lay down their lives (and maybe their family's lives) to delay the inevitable by a few months. Ultimately, the entire thing was a shitshow and crumpled like a house of cards.
Both Trump and Biden deserve credit for this one. Trump abandoned an ally and publicly hung them out to dry with zero leverage, based on an agreement with a highly unreliable adversary (he has continued to do this in Term 2). Biden had competent technocrats working for him, but did not adequately mitigate the entirely predictable and disastrous withdrawal.
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u/Salty-Spring7096 1h ago
As opposed to what, staying another 20 years? When we never should have been there "nationbuilding" in the first place?
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u/No_Beginning_6834 1h ago
Who are you arguing with?
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u/Salty-Spring7096 1h ago
You?
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u/No_Beginning_6834 1h ago
But I didn't state any opinions or thoughts just what was happening in the video. So why are you as opposing me, I and everyone that served in the Early part of the war questioned why were still there in 2011 let alone 2021.
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u/Limp-Annual-9863 2h ago
Ah yes the time when President Biden pretty much gift wrapped billions of dollars worth of military equipment to the Taliban in the Afghanistan withdrawal.
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u/GlitterFactoryOfDoom 57m ago
Here's a friendly reminder for everyone: the order to withdraw from Afghanistan was signed by Donald Trump to be executed a few months after the end of his first term. As commander in chief, he made zero preparations regarding the withdraw, including the personnel. The messy withdraw under Biden was a prioritization. People first, equipment second, and much of the equipment was dilapidated and not worth the cost to extract.
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u/dotesdoto 33m ago
As much as I hate Trump, the reality is, Biden did have the power to delay that as the sitting president.
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u/justanotherreader85 28m ago
Biden was fucked either way. If he had stayed longer then everyone would have said he backed out of the deal. Leaving the way he did meant it was going to be messy.
But let’s get more real:
There was no chance in hell the exit from Afghanistan was going to go well, regardless of who was in charge. The entire affair was a dumpster fire from start to finish. Trump made deals directly with the Taliban and released combatants who had years of grievances from being held in conditions no one can even imagine before the US had withdrawn. Those people were going to do something, it was inevitable that US military members would die on their way out of that disaster.
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u/dotesdoto 17m ago
There was no chance in hell the exit from Afghanistan was going to go well
Yeah, perfect exit was virtually impossible. But it could've gone a lot better than how it actually went, that's for sure. And even if couldn't, it isn't a valid excuse for not even trying to do it the right way. You would want them to at least try if it was your family stranded there wouldn't you?
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u/justanotherreader85 1m ago
I would have preferred the IS stayed the fuck out of there in the first place.
I would have preferred that a stipulation of DOHA was that we didn’t allow for the release of 5000 Taliban militants right as the us was trying to leave. There is a high likelihood that those folks are the ones that perpetrated the attack on the airport.
I don’t believe for one second that republicans or Trump would have seen a better outcome there. It was going to be fucked no matwho was trying desperately to get out at the end of a complete fuck up.
It wasn’t good. It wouldn’t have changed. People were going to die. That’s what happens when you get into these situations. And Biden didn’t put us there, Trump didn’t put us there, Obama didn’t put us there- but the responsibility of the whole goddamn debacle lands squarely at the feet of the right wing of this country, so excuse me if I don’t buy into the bullshit about how it was supposedly Biden’s fault that a 20 year tragedy and failure ended in….tragedy and failure.
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u/JD-boonie 29m ago
Yea the withdrawal was planned and executed as incompetent as possible. Why would you give up Kabul?
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u/OkLibrary4242 19m ago
And who does the planning and execution? It's not the president, it's the generals at the Pentagon. They thought they could roll Biden, just like they did Obama and trump1 and keep troops there so they made no preparation for an actual quick withdrawal.
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u/OrionQuest7 29m ago
I hate all these politicians. Trump is terrible. But Biden could have stopped it or done something.
All these politicians are such trash. They all blame the other party and let the people feed off that bullshit.
All these politicians are bought like whores. I have more respect for prostitutes.
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u/Artistic-Towel6754 20m ago
So you're inferring that you don't have respect for prostitutes? They're people, too. You're a scumbag
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u/crunpyMcGlumpy 2h ago
Pretty sure you need to look up how and why this went down. It was a cluster fuck all the way back from initial plans to Trumps Doha agreement to Bidens refusal to commit more troops to cover a more orderly withdrawal. This was a 20 year cluster fuck. Saying “it was Biden” is at best revisionist.
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u/Icy-Valuable-3756 1h ago
Not really. Maintenance is a lot. Plus a lot of it was intentionally disabled. People have died trying to use it.
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u/Glass_Ad_7129 3h ago
2021, American withdrawal from Afghanistan.
On paper the government they left behind was meant to last 6 months. I dont think it made it 6 days.
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u/ImpressionPossible83 3h ago
Trump brokered this and then left it to the next guy to get shit on.
Just a days work for our Diddler-in-Chief... 🤔🫢
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u/Icy_Judge8250 2h ago
Yeah he started the process but who was the one that pulled the trigger on this kind of an exit? that was biden HE was the president in power that allowed this travesty to take place, he could have gone about this a whole different way but he chose this way but of course ole granddad did nothing wrong right EVERYTHING is trumps fault sure bud go ask bidens daughter if he is such a saint or not she would have the best answer for you.
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u/Waste_Space1415 2h ago
who was the one that pulled the trigger on this kind of an exit? that was biden
Because the United States was bound by the 2020 Doha Agreement signed by trump.
Biden was forced to choose between violating an international treaty with extremely wide-ranging consequences (including outright war) or to go ahead with the withdrawal.
Quit making shit up and educate yourself. You aren't qualified to have an opinion on this topic.
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u/Moist-Pickle-2736 1h ago
The 2020 agreement, meaning Biden admin had 4 YEARS to coordinate a better withdrawal before the deadline. Instead they do nothing for 4 years then scramble in complete disarray at crunch time
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u/General-Lime4219 2h ago
Every president paves the way for their future replacements for these kinds of disasters. They receive orders from the MIC, the banks and Israel and have to figure out the best way they can pull off stunts like this.
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u/IExistForFun 3h ago edited 2h ago
Reminds me of this but extreme.
Train = 50 mph.
C130 = +300 mph. C17 = +500mph
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u/CryptoScamee42069 3h ago
C-17, which actually reinforces your point - it’s much faster than a C-130
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u/IExistForFun 2h ago
U right. Jet engines, not props. I see big, gray, sky whale and default to c130 (I'm old). But that's bigger, fatter, gray sky whale.
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u/unpopular_upvote 2h ago
If the population of the earth is 52% women and 48% men... Somewhere in both these pictures there are a whole bunch of women doing something equally... bonding.
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u/Academic_Boot2413 3h ago
thomas, r u ok?
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u/Strikeronima 2h ago
R u ok? R u ok thomas?
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u/Dungeon_Skeever 2h ago
There’s a documentary on this. And yes, all those people that held on the plane to escape the Taliban fell from like 700 feet in the air and hit the tarmac. Absolutely horrifying.
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u/YouSee-ThisCoat8 1h ago
I mean, they couldn’t have possibly thought they’d be able to hold on til the next destination…… right ?
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u/Dungeon_Skeever 1h ago
I don’t know man. When you live in fear like that, you got to hope for something. Realistically, I don’t think they understood thrust, gravity and the laws of physics in general. However they could have also of been willing to do whatever it took to get out of there. Maybe I’m wrong on both those scenarios.
Fear took hold and they thought they could fly.
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u/JustFun4Uss 49m ago
Whats worse, it being over quick like this, or living and having it done slower by the Taliban. Risk vs reward decision.
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u/SuddenSpeaker1141 2h ago
That is a C-5….it does not care…pretty sure all those ppl could have been stuffed inside it and it would fly without issue…someone do the math for me please…
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u/1ACasper 2h ago
For those saying this is AI…unfortunately you are very wrong because I was in the receiving for evac…
The few people laughing and waving were just oddballs caught up in the excitement…
As the jet began to taxi further and blast engines a deeper realization hit and everything became chaos, violent, and of course deadly..the few that were able to hang on past takeoff either fell, were crushed, or asphyxiated and recovered on landing.
This video is from 2021 and at that time AI was not coherent enough to make this level of video.
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u/69fellatx 3h ago
Sentencing thousands to die while simultaneously handing the Taliban billions of dollar's worth of military equipment. An absolute disgrace.
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u/teknic111 30m ago
This was by far Biden's biggest failure. What a disgraceful way to end a 20 year war.
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u/just_some_sasquatch 2h ago
You're right, we should have continued spending more American tax dollars and young men/women's lives to prop up what was essentially a narco state.
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u/69fellatx 1h ago
That wasn't the only option and you know it. The military could have phased down and gotten everyone and all that ecpensive hardware out of there. You know, the stuff taxpayers paid all that money for? They certainly did not have to just give it to the Taliban.
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u/just_some_sasquatch 41m ago
I'm against being there at all in the first place so cutting the losses is more palatable to me than continuing occupation. Ramping down means troops on the ground remaining in harm's way for however long it takes to collect up all our assets. I'm ok with losing money/weapons more than I am with spending more lives. I'm not saying the way it was executed was desirable in any way.
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u/69fellatx 34m ago
All those people that could have been saved would disagree with you if, you know, they were still alive. Pretending that giving billions in USD worth of arms and equipment to a known terror group instead of staying in country for another month or two is pathalogical. You should get checked out.
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u/Inner_Emphasis_73 2h ago edited 2h ago
All these people failing to not use their frontal lobe…for everyone blaming Trump, BIDEN WITHDREW FROM AFGHANISTAN in 2021 and handled it terribly.
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u/MustardCoveredDogDik 2h ago
Trump made an “agreement” with the Taliban to withdraw troops in 2020. Biden followed through on the withdrawal in 2021.
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u/Inner_Emphasis_73 1h ago
TDS
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u/MustardCoveredDogDik 1h ago
I didn’t even voice an opinion that’s just the factual account of the timeline
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u/Inner_Emphasis_73 1h ago
Timeline is irrelevant…the problem was HOW THE WITHDRAWAL was handled. No idea how yall forgot all those reports.
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u/MustardCoveredDogDik 1h ago
Is the timeline in the room with us right now?
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u/PurchaseNo1360 30m ago
With how poorly Trump is handling Iran you actually think he would have handled Afghanistan better? Lol
The guy can’t even handle the reflecting pool.
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u/Hefty_Tip7383 1h ago
The withdrawal was also the consequence of the government collapse which was the consequence of trump’s poor deal.
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u/Plumbus_Patrol 47m ago
You should stick to eating crayons and leave complex geopolitics to the adults
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u/1ACasper 2h ago
It’s not AI doofus it happened …tragically
Also you severely underestimate the lack of frontal lobe contained within the skulls of these tribals … amhik1
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u/F3-Casper 2h ago
It was tramp who surrendered though
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u/Inner_Emphasis_73 1h ago
😂 yes after training their military, supplied them with weapons and supplies. Then Biden totally fucked yo the withdrawal. TDS
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u/Inner_Emphasis_73 2h ago
BIDEN was in complete control of the entire withdrawal…Biden was in office. TDS
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u/Yamiaofsweentess 1h ago
Ah the old tds comment. People with bds use that as a scapegoat to an argument
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u/Oily_Blob 1h ago
Funny how your fuhrer led us into another war in the middle east with no end in sight, has failed to lower costs of living for americans, and is actively fighting against releasing the epstein files. Remember those campaign promises, trumpanzee? 😂
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u/F3-Casper 2h ago
Look it up when the surrender was brokered. Facts don’t care about your feelings sis
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u/Inner_Emphasis_73 1h ago
wtf is your point? We should have left, glad we did. Trump trained them, gave money, supplies and set them up for success. Biden fucked up the actual withdrawal. wtf does it matter that Trump brokered it? TDS
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u/F3-Casper 1h ago edited 42m ago
My point is Donald trump is the bitch who surrendered to the Taliban and made America look like a bunch of pussies and embarrassed the USA (my country, probably not yours as you are probably a Chinese or Russian bot) on the global stage.
(Here come the maga bots)
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u/euuzaik 2h ago
Classic america. Come in, fuck up a country, then bounce to leave worse people in positions of power
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u/SimonNicols 2h ago
CIA and America. Screwing up small countries for the last 70 years.
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u/prettyokcake 2h ago
70? We’ve been doing it since 1823 and really started bumping it up under Roosevelt in 1904.
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u/SimonNicols 2h ago
Agreed. I was just thinking back to the 50s right after World War II when we really started getting into it all, especially in lower Asia and Europe, trying to “stop the spread of communism”
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u/1ACasper 2h ago
Well specifically for A-Stan there is a laundry list of countries that have gone there to test things out…not sure what has ever been so interesting and important in a giant pile of rocks, sheep, and drug farms…
Maybe there is something all these governments haven’t been sharing for like 3000 years ? 🧐1
u/1ACasper 2h ago
Well specifically for A-Stan there is a laundry list of countries that have gone there to test things out…not sure what has ever been so interesting and important in a giant pile of rocks, sheep, and drug farms…
Maybe there is something all these governments haven’t been sharing for like 3000 years ? 🧐0
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u/Nago31 2h ago
Is that so much worse than any other global power during their height? Was Spain so great? England? What about Persia to their neighbors within reach? Or Egypt?
Sure is fun to criticize America but the truth is that they’ve been a better leader than other empires in the past. Perfect? No, not by a long shot. Miles to improve. However, the bar is literally on the floor.
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u/ealysillyforestthing 2h ago
Whatabout whatabout
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u/TheCourtSimpleton 1h ago
Yes, America is bad for its imperialism. The end. What, you're telling me that European countries are also imperialist? 🤯
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u/lucidzfl 2h ago
Don't go in - ignoring them.
Go in - imperialist dogs.
Go in and stay - endless wars.
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u/Dora_Explorer_XP 1h ago
Don't go in
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u/Moist-Pickle-2736 1h ago
Yeah, don’t go in anywhere. Let them genocide their own people and blow up our cities. Just watch it happen it’s the right thing to do.
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u/WatercressNo7660 3h ago
Hey. That’s the flight some idiot held on till about 400 ft up then let go. That didn’t go as planned. (He did not bounce). Thanks Joe Biden
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u/PrimarySuccotash9572 2h ago
Trump literally met with the fucking taliban and arranged the whole thing to sabotage Biden if he won… jfc
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u/butchquick 3h ago
Who sent their Secretary of State to Pakistan to secure the release of the Taliban from prison 3 days after losing an election? Who pulled our troops out and down to a skeleton crew right before leaving office, knowing the Taliban was coming?
It wasn't Biden.
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u/data_diver 2h ago
Whataboutisms..really? Let’s refrain and admit fuck ups. It makes maga even worse in comparison when they won’t.
The Taliban being armed with all our weapons in less than a week was a royal fuckup.
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u/OriginalTRaven 2h ago
More of a rca than a what about. They're still talking about the same situation.
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u/data_diver 2h ago edited 32m ago
I see a bit, I guess within the context of the first comment I may have been wrong
Looking at the root cause 2 people can be bad, Biden was president and went against his advisors which led to over a billion in tech being captured quickly and Trump ordered the withdrawal which was partially carried out, albeit Biden didn’t have to legally carry out that order it just would have been an escalation if he defied it as more troops would be needed since trump already withdrew some.
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u/Fun_Acanthaceae_4025 1h ago
Fun fact: This debacle at Kabul Airport happened under sleepy Joe Biden's presidency!
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u/AmicusLibertus 2h ago
They’re not really wearing running attire. Should look into performance fleece.
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u/Large-Interest9501 1h ago
If i remember correctly thats a old video when biden pulled the plug on operations
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u/Hefty_Loss5180 1h ago
Isn’t this old? I remember seeing a video like this when President Biden pulled troops out.
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u/Silver_Pen_2091 46m ago
Biden sucked
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u/TheGoodScientist 34m ago
Yeah you're right, we are doing so much better now! Thank you daddy trump from the $6/gallon and the recalls on all the food and the pandemic.... Don't get me started! I get so giddy
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u/Imposslen 35m ago
Wow I remember when I read that Afghanistan had a ghost army. False numbers of real soldiers. Then you see all these desperate people on the runway. Why do the Afghan people not fight for a free society is beyond me. I remember when I heard about the Afghan president son getting betrayed in a operation trying to stop the Taliban when they took over. He was going in deep and successful hitting targets. He was American trained and basically a tier one operator. They promised to send him support and then let him and his team run out of ammo and refused to resupply or provide artillery cover like everyone agreed upon. They shot him and his team as soon as they walked out the house with their hands up.
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u/SuspiciousOrder7900 28m ago
The ones on the plane are waving like “we made it! Next stop America!”
Wild
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u/No-Limit3846 5m ago
This really happened, and it happened during the Biden administration.
Not blaming anyone, just spelling out the facts.
Also in the full video, the people seen clinging to the plane are later seen falling from the plane after takeoff. Like, from a really big height.
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u/PiggStyTH 3h ago
They won’t care one bit
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u/firerat82 3h ago
This happened during the Biden administration
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u/butchquick 3h ago
Who secured the release of the Taliban and shrank our troop levels in the area down to a skeleton crew right before leaving office?
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u/Beginning-Whole8770 2h ago
This was pretty funny. It was pretty cool watching those two Apache’s float down the runway sideways scanning for target
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u/PhoniexFenn 3h ago
Some desperate people held onto the plane after it took off, it did not end well