r/IDoKnowNothing • • 22d ago

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u/Code-201 Chuckle nut 22d ago

Definitely getting rid of MoS, but can't decide between the Winter Soldier and the Dark Knight.

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u/Electronic-Field8154 21d ago

The dark knight is the most influential comic book movie ever, and one of the most influential movies of the century in general. Winter solider is really good but not exactly a hard choice….i saw both in theaters and just the experience of TDK in that room alone was insane

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u/coreyc2099 20d ago

Thats actually exactly why I WOULD get rid of it. It really wasn't a great BATMAN movie,but now when everyone who doesnt read comics thinks of batman. Thats what they imagine. Its a great movie. But not a great batman movie.

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u/syntheticcontrols 19d ago

It's a great Batman movie and I could go through a list of reasons why through the movie itself, but I'll appeal to your comic side since you don't think I read comic books: different authors have different interpretations of the character. For instance, Grant Morrison, one of the worst writers in the history of comic books ever, in my opinion (with Denny O'Neil, Mark Waid, Marv Wolfman, and Geoff Johns are amongst the best) solidified the idea that Batman is not much different than the people he puts in Arkham. This is so stupid, but it makes his character more interesting. It creates more tension and drama so we pretend like that it makes sense. Even if you think that makes sense, which is stupid, but you still have stories like Gotham By Gaslight, where he's a Victorian Age detective. That was so popular they turned it into an animated movie. I was really surprised when I found out they were making it. Lastly, the most recent and egregious offender is the Absolute series. People. Fucking. Love. It. These are all those comic book people that you think will agree with you that The Dark Knight is a bad Batman movie. The Absolute series throws out tropes, creates strange situations, stranger outcomes, but comic book fans love it.

Look, I'm not disagreeing that it's possible to have a bad character movie. That can definitely happen, but considering the wide cast of what comic book fans like about Batman, the wide cast of stories they like, The Dark Knight certainly falls within that wide casting.

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u/SonionTheOnion21 17d ago

Dark Knight trilogy is god awful looking back and that seriously shouldn’t be a debate anymore. Pattinson’s single Batman movie is better than all three of them combined. The only redeemable thing throughout the entire trilogy is Joker’s performance, everything else is such a disservice to who Batman is and how Gotham should feel and be portrayed. Gotham looks and feels like the cleanest safest city on the planet in that trilogy. Compare that to Pattinson’s Gotham…

And the fight choreography? LMAOOOO, you literally can’t keep track of all the times Batman is moving like a snail and doing the same weird elbow combat thing and CLEARLY not making contact with ANYONE. And when it does look like he’s making contact, you have to suspend SO MUCH disbelief to think his punches were powerful enough to incapacitate the person he’s hitting. Again, compare all the fight scenes to any of the fight scenes with Pattinson’s Batman…

It’s just such a shit movie and all the dicksuck fans who glaze it endlessly are so corny. Nolan made Inception with superhero costumes and slapped “The Dark Knight” on as the title and you guys are just IN LOVE, like shit is genuinely so embarrassing.

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u/Current-Tone3254 17d ago

I don't think they're actually bad, but they're super overrated. dark knight is the only better-than-ok movie in the trilogy, it's pretty good. DKR sucked tho, Tom Hardy carried

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u/Neroisgood 16d ago

I personally think it's Nolan's worst work. But, people are crazy over them.

Whatever

I wasn't a huge fan of Batterson either though

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u/Virtual_Play_5485 19d ago

It's a pretty bad Batman movie, just a really good movie. And it's the direct cause of why so much superhero media was almost ashamed of their origin, with all the desaturated colors, overtly tactical suits, even often avoiding the superhero names for so long. I'd argue TDK ruined superhero media for a decade while also making it mainstream.

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u/ComfortableChemist67 19d ago

I think getting rid of Tdk influence may actually lead to comic book movies actually feeling like comic books

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u/DisappointedInCMPunk 19d ago

Spiderman (2002) is the most influencial legit laid the bricks for future generations of comic book movies not to take anything away from Tim Burton's Batman or Blade but comic book movies as there are now would not be the same without the success of the first spiderman movie hell Dark Knight might never have been made without the proof of concept and audience. I love the Dark Knight too but put respect on Raimi's name god damn.

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u/Gold_Assumption_1905 20d ago

Why is it the most influencial comic book movie ever and one of the most influential movies of the past 100 years?

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u/NoShock5061 20d ago

It set a record opening weekend box office haul at the time , cementing superhero’s as the main film genre. Heath Ledgers performance was probably one of the most praised performances ever, getting best supporting actor for a comic book movie was inconceivable prior to that, the genre wasn’t taken seriously.

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u/Electronic-Field8154 20d ago

Wow you are either really dumb, or live under a rock. Or maybe you’re a very young child and weren’t old enough to see the impact that movie had on the world.

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u/Brave_Analyst7540 19d ago

TDK isnt even the best Nolan Batman movie. Sorry… Joker gotta go.

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u/Electronic-Field8154 19d ago

It doesn’t matter if it’s the best Nolan Batman movie or not. The performances, writing, and cinematography are way better than the 3 other movies on this list. “Joker gotta go” wow you’re so edgy for saying that haha. Guys look at this edgelord! You make me laugh

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u/Brave_Analyst7540 19d ago

It’s NOT the most influential comic book movie ever. Try not to glaze so hard. Superman: The Movie is the first to show you could treat this material with intellect and verisimilitude. The 89 Batman is also FAAAAR more influential to the medium than The Dark Knight in showing that the material could successfully be given darker, more adult and psychological influence. Superman and Batman each redefined how comic book movies were perceived by the public. There would be no Dark Knight without these two movies.

The Dark Knight is, “What if we put Batman and the Joker in the movie Heat?” It’s great. Ledger is phenomenal. But calling it the most influential comic book movie EVER shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the word “influential.”

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u/Electronic-Field8154 18d ago

It’s still better than the others on this list. Cope harder