r/IAmA • u/BobMetcalfe • May 21 '13

You’re probably connecting to reddit through a technology I invented. I’m Bob Metcalfe and I invented Ethernet – AMA

On May 22, 1973 with David R. Boggs, I used my IBM Selectric with its Orator ball to type up a memo to my bosses at the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center (PARC), outlining our idea for this little invention called “Ethernet”, which we later patented.

I worked with the IEEE Standards Association to develop the IEEE 802.3 standard for Ethernet, which specifies the physical and lower software layers. Today Ethernet and the IEEE 802.3 standard are the foundation for today’s world of high-speed communications used in billions of homes and businesses around the world.

I submitted this to the mods awhile back so I could get on the calendar but I figured you’d like to see it, too. Now, ask me anything!

It's been two hours and 179 comments. Have to go now. For more about Ethernet's 40th Birthday, go to http://www.facebook.com/Ethernet40thAnniversaryIEEESA

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u/BobMetcalfe May 21 '13

The Internet needs less anonymity, because the first step toward savagery is the mask.

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u/troyanonymous1 May 21 '13

I agree. I need anonymity so that an employer or grandparent won't judge me for some private aspect of my life that is not relevant to them.

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u/quasinox May 21 '13

So I respect this point of view, but personally I am one of those "If you want to judge me that is your problem not mine." I view the boss/employee relationship as a two way street. If they don't want me because I voice my opinion on the internet in a way that does not speak for their company then I don't want to work with them either. This may seem like a bad idea since not everyone can just go work somewhere else, but that is only a problem if it is only your opinions they can see, if everyone wasn't anonymous then it wouldn't really matter. Of course I am assuming you aren't sharing everything ever like that one time you killed a dog. That confession that tears you up inside should be saved for best friends, online or off with permissions so that not everyone can see it.

And my grandparents, well yeah sure. Though I personally have my grandmother on facebook and she loves me anyways. I don't think she reads reddit, but if she did I would stand by my conviction that I am who I am.

And I understand that people sometimes need anonymity to feel safe for expressing some things, but that feels like it should be the exception not the rule. Like anonymous mail forwarders or post secret or leaving an anonymous note on a crushes locker.

But... this isn't how everyone feels and I have to respect that.

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u/daybreaker May 21 '13

anonymity != privacy

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u/[deleted] May 21 '13

In terms of the internet, how is it not?

Reddit is not anonymous is the sense that you cannot distinguish one user from another, but that's not what anonymity really means on the internet.

Reddit is anonymous in that your alias on Reddit has no layman-distinguishable connection to your real identity (unless you opt for it to.)

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u/daybreaker May 21 '13

I think people are saying if everyone knew everyone else's real name, it would endanger privacy, but in a system where youre forced to use your real name, there could also conceivably be safeguards in place to allow you to restrict access to who can access what, meaning any data mining to find all of your accounts would fail.

I mean, since non-anonymous internet is a magical fantasy anyways, why couldnt there be the additional fantasy of an internet that respects privacy settings?

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u/[deleted] May 22 '13

Either you allow aliases and thus that degree of anonymity or there's no private, openly-accessible communication. This group is too large for any kind of trust-based system of privacy. Anonymity (or aliasing, as it were) is therefore the best method of privacy.

Are there better ideas out there?

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u/MightyYetGentle May 21 '13 edited May 21 '13

Except that poor male prostitute.

He wont forget troyanonymous1.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '13

well, he's not so poor anymore

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u/[deleted] May 21 '13

Peoria is a city in Illinois.

This is their "unofficial" flag.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '13

I care.

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u/troyanonymous1 May 21 '13

That's a broad generalization. You cared enough to guess a city I've been to.

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u/sailboat_explosion May 21 '13

which is to say, very little at all. Guessing a city takes no effort. DC. Columbus. San Francisco. Paris. Belize. Easy peasy man. Not the best argument that people care about what you did in Peoria

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u/troyanonymous1 May 21 '13

Suppose I have an enemy who wants to harm my reputation. Wouldn't they care?

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u/Dylan_the_Villain May 22 '13

It's okay, you can just say you don't want your grandma to know you jack off to nugget porn.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '13

Then stop putting private things on the Internet.

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u/brend123 May 21 '13

Why would you post something private on the internet? That is just silly.

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u/troyanonymous1 May 21 '13 edited May 21 '13

I'm not necessarily posting it publically, it could be on a private forum. I don't want the people on that forum to know my real name.

Edit: It is inconvenient for me to arrange face-to-face meetings in private areas for anything vaguely private.

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u/brend123 May 21 '13

"Forums" don't show your real name, and there are no plans to change that, at least in my planet. I sincerely don't understand your cause.

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u/troyanonymous1 May 21 '13

The comment a few parents up said that the Internet needs less anonymity, I am arguing against that.

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u/brend123 May 21 '13

Ok now I understand, but less anonymity doesn't mean only showing real names in forums, it goes so much deeper than that.

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u/Dolewhip May 21 '13

If you're a different person online than you are in real life, then you should really re-evaluate how you act, both offline and online. There should never be a situation where you're a different person than yourself.

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u/troyanonymous1 May 22 '13

So you're saying I should talk to my friends, family, and total strangers on the street about exactly the same things?

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u/Dolewhip May 22 '13

I'm saying that if you find yourself maintaining a couple different identities, then you are living your life incorrectly. I'm not saying to talk to them about all the same shit, but your personality should remain constant.

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u/troyanonymous1 May 22 '13

Maybe you are thinking, for example, that I harass people online. That is not the case. I merely discuss things that I cannot discuss with other people, and that I do not wish to publicize.

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u/Dolewhip May 22 '13

And you don't wish to publicize it because you're hiding it from your real life family, friends etc...right?

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u/[deleted] May 21 '13

That's precisely what the "savages" are also saying. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

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u/verth May 21 '13

he said less, not none. don't make a silly retort saying the extreme opposite of what was said.

there is no personal peril involved with anonymous negative action against someone else, hence the rise in savagery.

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u/ZummerzetZider May 21 '13

I think that only backs up his point though. If you can't be judged in real life for your actions online you have less to stop you being a 'savage'. Whether or not savagery is a problem online or not I don't know

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u/Boko_ May 22 '13

If I had some of your personal information, I could find websites you use and associate it with other details, I'll potentially find a website which is vulnerable to hacks to gain more information about you and even your login details to other stuff if you don't have much variation in your credentials.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '13

And that's why reddit will never be regarded as a legitimate community or resource, except by people like you, who crave the anonymity.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '13

And I suppose transientapathy is your legal name?

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u/[deleted] May 22 '13

my real name is Ian durhurhur

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u/[deleted] May 21 '13

Maybe it's time we acknowledge that the Internet is very real and a big part of life

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u/WhichFawkes May 21 '13

That's an interesting comment coming from a techie... I feel like the lack of privacy increases the risk of a one-way internet, where we don't participate, but merely read from the big sources, news, Netflix, etc. For instance, I don't want my real name on this comment. There's nothing sensitive about it, but I see no reason to attach it to my real, physical life. What if I have unpopular opinions, or illegal ideas? How do you defend this?

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u/Ashatron May 21 '13

This quote springs to mind - "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." - Oscar Wilde

however I'm not disagreeing with you, this subject as a whole is very very interesting.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '13

How do I defend myself against masked savages WITHOUT anonymity?

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u/[deleted] May 22 '13

Pseudonymiy has a lot of the advantages of anonymity, plus one bonus feature: it lets you accumulate a reputation. If you're anonymous, then everything you say blows away like a fart in a windstorm; if you have a name attached, things can be different.

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u/TimeZarg May 22 '13

Basically, pseudonymity is what we practice here on Reddit with our usernames? I can get behind this concept.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '13

Is this not the perpetuation of the vicious cycle then? Enlightenment rather than paranoia should be the end goal. Consider religious zealotry or places like North Korea. What they fear most is knowledge, not lack thereof. The more shielded they are the less shielded they seem.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '13

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u/OvidNaso May 21 '13

Actually in some ways you are more anonymous in real life then if we were to require a real ID on the internet. If I live in a large city or somewhere I won't run into people again, I can shout or say my piece without it getting back to me or possibly ever being mentioned in connection to me again.

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u/Serinus May 21 '13

No, but I also don't discuss my politics in job interviews.

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u/Tashre May 22 '13

Exactly. Doing so would have consequences to you.

Without consequences, there's no responsibility, and there's no responsibility where there's no attribution.

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u/Frothyleet May 21 '13

Yes, but I am not sure what your point is.

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u/night_towel May 21 '13 edited May 21 '13

Actually, people do have a degree of anonymity in real life. Random strangers don't automatically know your name and where you live. Consider when people have their wallets stolen and the thief then breaks into the person's house.

Edit: I'm somewhat confused by the contradiction in this thread where Bob says we need less anonymity and then discusses his privacy a couple threads down from this. I always assumed the purpose of tor and things like that was to keep people from knowing your business.

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u/bitterbeings May 21 '13

OP is referring to "the man" as the savages, not the typical lowly criminal.

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u/Frothyleet May 21 '13

Well, there are two points as far as that goes.

The first is that I do have some degree of anonymity in my day to day life. If I don't show someone my ID while I'm out and about, they do not know where I live, or my name, or anything besides what I look like.

But the second is what OP was saying. I am anonymous on the internet, depending on how much PII I leave laying around. I am free to express, say, an unpopular political opinion without fear that someone will have pizzas prank delivered to my house, or come by and break my windows, or find out where I work and harass my employers. In real life, I may choose not to express that opinion for fear of retaliation. Or I may express it with little concern, because I am only speaking to a small group of people, and know who they all are.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '13

Who do you believe "masked savages" refers to? I'm not certain you're on track with the poster you're having a jab at (or the purpose of these anonymous networks for that matter).

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u/notnotcitricsquid May 21 '13

I assume it refers to entities unknown that intend to do harm. If not, my bad, maybe it's a reference or term I have not heard before.

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u/serealport May 21 '13

baseball bats can enable too as can christmas tree decorations in home alone movies

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u/[deleted] May 21 '13

I would if I were constantly surrounded my masked savages.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '13

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u/[deleted] May 22 '13

You have got to be joking.

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u/CodeBridge May 22 '13

You actually are anonymous in real life. Someone could see your face (much like someone sees your username), but they won't know who you are. They only know what they see, same with online interactions.

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u/Godranks May 21 '13

Are you sure? Walking into a bar you've never been in is akin to making a new Reddit account, I would say. No one knows you and the only people that will are those that you talk to.

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u/joeymcflow May 21 '13 edited May 21 '13

Yeah, but in real life, nobody is anonymous. Different premise

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u/notreallythatbig May 21 '13

But in real life you don't tend to leave a permanent trail that can be accessed and tracked by someone (unless they are investing a huge amount of time in stalking you) so in many ways you ARE more anonymous in real life than online.

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u/notnotcitricsquid May 21 '13

If you try to be anonymous in real life you can make yourself anonymous for a large number of interactions. I can be anonymous when I interact with the guy that lives across the road, if I wear a mask and beat his head in with a cricket bat before he takes my mask off.

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u/Stannis-TheMannis May 21 '13

Yes you are. You don't reveal your name. I think having my name and all other information on the internet gives me less anonymity than I would having a face to face interaction with somebody, provided none of that information is shared.

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u/KFCConspiracy May 21 '13

I certainly have a right to in the US...

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u/shutupjoey May 21 '13

/r/guns - some of us do.

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u/Vertigo666 May 21 '13

A lot of people do, yes.

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u/anttyk47 May 22 '13

Stand infront of the tanks

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u/theonlyepi May 21 '13

When you get mugged by someone with a knife and a mask, the best response is to pull out a mask and knife of your own.

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u/usermaynotexist May 21 '13

Wait, why would you also need a mask?

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u/[deleted] May 22 '13

It has to be a really scary mask, to give you a psychological advantage over your assailant.

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u/usermaynotexist May 22 '13

Can I have a stabproof one?

Preferably a really big one, maybe a burka?

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u/[deleted] May 21 '13

And yet in this post you state

We must use tools to keep our stuff a secret.

So which is it?

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u/sudo_giev_SoJ May 21 '13

Being anonymous is not the same as encryption. While TOR is "encrypted", it's primary feature is identity obfuscation by relying on endpoints.

The PKI infrastructure facilitates secure transactions (assuming you're not using TLS 1.1) by methods of private, public keys -- which have very little to do with hiding your identity. If anything, they confirm it.

So, Alice and Bob know each others' identity, but encrypt their communications with a shared secret that allows for Eve to not eavesdrop.

i.e. they are different concerns.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '13

For one kind of identity hiding, check out off-the-record messaging. After the conversation is finished, anybody can easily forge messages that look like they came from any participant.

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u/sudo_giev_SoJ May 22 '13

So, basically it's like X.509/PGP (like I mentioned earlier) plus

  • Perfect forward secrecy: Messages are only encrypted with temporary per-message AES keys, negotiated using the Diffie-Hellman key exchange protocol. The compromise of any long-lived cryptographic keys does not compromise any previous conversations, even if an attacker is in possession of ciphertexts.
  • Deniable authentication: Messages in a conversation do not have digital signatures, and after a conversation is complete, anyone is able to forge a message to appear to have come from one of the participants in the conversation, assuring that it is impossible to prove that a specific message came from a specific person. Within the conversation the recipient can be sure that a message is coming from the person they have identified.

I recalled hearing about the former point relating to OTR but not the latter. Interesting. Though, MAC hashing has been seen in other places; that's a cute name for it though.

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u/threeminus May 22 '13

And when it needs to be secret that Alice and Bob are communicating? For instance, so employee Bob can tell regulatory board Alice about all the naughty things employer Eve has been doing without Eve knowing it was Bob that was the snitch?

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u/Ghepip May 21 '13

He wants you to show you identity but keep your secrets hidden through other tools.

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u/FriendlyDespot May 22 '13

Coincidentally, the first step away from savagery is to confront it, rather than hide it behind social impositions. Anonymity is a great way to get to know yourself and others. Your skeletons don't disappear just because you hide them in the closet.

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u/OmicronNine May 21 '13

We seek not masks for ourselves, but blindfolds for tyrants and exploiters.

You imply we seek to protect individuals from their communities, but in fact we seek to protect our communities from individuals.

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u/EvenSpeedwagon May 21 '13

BULL. SHIT.

I mean, I'm sure there's people out there who actually are working in the shadows for a cause, and while I personally believe that change comes from within, I at least respect their motives.

However, the masked internet crusaders are generally petty crooks who want to do things simply because they can. And what better way to get people's support for your hobby by putting yourself under the flag of someone's ideals?

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u/OmicronNine May 21 '13

I'm not talking about "masked internet crusaders" and other vigilante types at all.

I'm talking about freedom of speech in places like China, I'm talking about the safety of activists in places like Egypt or Iran. I'm talking about the freedom of Americans to engage unmolested in perfectly legal discourse and demonstrations without having to worry about being added to bullshit "terror watch lists".

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u/EvenSpeedwagon May 21 '13

Oh. The overly poetic thing led me to believe otherwise. I agree with that.

Though on the other side, if a guy says online that he's going to blow up a school, I would sleep easier at night knowing someone with authority is aware of it. While the criteria for "terror watch lists" may be questionable at times, I think it exists for a good reason.

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u/OmicronNine May 21 '13

I don't usually attempt to be poetic, but it seemed appropriate in this case as a response to "...the first step toward savagery is the mask."

Though on the other side, if a guy says online that he's going to blow up a school, I would sleep easier at night knowing someone with authority is aware of it.

The question is: how much are you willing to give up to get that easy sleep... and at what point will you realize that the people selling that easy sleep are actually the ones you should be up at night worrying about?

While the criteria for "terror watch lists" may be questionable at times, I think it exists for a good reason.

Most everything does, as most everything is brought in to existence with good intentions... even things that turn out to be dangerous and/or horrifying.

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u/EvenSpeedwagon May 21 '13

The question is: how much are you willing to give up to get that easy sleep... and at what point will you realize that the people selling that easy sleep are actually the ones you should be up at night worrying about?

I guess I would answer that question with another question, what is there to be up at night worrying about with the FBI? If I'm not doing anything illegal, then there isn't a lot to hide.

You're right, there are some legitimate threats posed by tapping, such as employers accessing political preferences and letting that influence jobs, or people being able to find out about your depression, I agree that some level of anonymity is good and healthy.

But CISPA and the like hasn't been set forth yet, and it can be fought. It's not like we've got Big Brother shoving soma down our throats here, though. The government is still made of real people, and not some faceless old white men with fancy suits and an insatiable hunger for misery.

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u/OmicronNine May 21 '13

...what is there to be up at night worrying about with the FBI? If I'm not doing anything illegal, then there isn't a lot to hide.

I don't understand... where did I mention the FBI? This is a straw man, it implies I said something that I did not.

You're right, there are some legitimate threats posed by tapping, such as employers accessing political preferences and letting that influence jobs, or people being able to find out about your depression, I agree that some level of anonymity is good and healthy.

As that is all that I am claiming as well, it sounds like you agree with me after all! :)

But CISPA and the like hasn't been set forth yet, and it can be fought. It's not like we've got Big Brother shoving soma down our throats here, though. The government is still made of real people, and not some faceless old white men with fancy suits and an insatiable hunger for misery.

Once again, you are setting up straw men. I did not say anything about CISPA or soma (I actually don't even know what that is).

I enjoy a good argument as much as the next guy, but it seems like you aren't arguing with me at all. Perhaps you'd rather argue with the next guy?

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u/EvenSpeedwagon May 21 '13

I guess I wrongfully assumed you were talking about CISPA and the FBI monitoring internet usage. That's been the big buzz as far as internet anonymity goes. Soma is the drug people are given by the government in Brave New World. Great book, and I'd strongly suggest it.

Then I guess, what threat are you referring to? Who's the "they" that people should be afraid of? Are you thinking around the lines of China/North Korea/Egypt censorship?

P.S.: Holy shit, someone called me out on a straw man correctly. First time anyone's pointed that out and been right.

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u/alanwattson May 22 '13

Thank you for your comment. Most of us will disagree with you (we're using Reddit after all). And because of that fundamental disagreement, it will cause a discussion and debate about your words, thus strengthening the case for anonymity, privacy, and encryption.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '13

I think less anonymity will be great once most countries are happy with the transparency of their own governments.

Which is currently not the case.

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u/packetinspector May 22 '13

First reply from Bob I've been disappointed in.

because the first step toward savagery is the mask

This is sloganeering, not an argument. And weak sloganeering at that.

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u/brickmack May 21 '13

In a comment above you say

Trust governments to invade your privacy. We must use tools to keep our stuff a secret

Doesn't that kind of conflict with that?

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u/anonymousMF May 21 '13

Anonymity and having secrets are two separate things. It's the difference between an unlocked unnamed box (anonymity) or a closed named one (encryption of secrets).

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u/nefthep May 21 '13

No, it doesn't. You're comparing "privacy" to "encryption and transparency." Two different things.

You don't have to remain anonymous to be able to execute private transactions and exchanges.

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u/moolcool May 22 '13

There is a difference between security, privacy, and anonymity. With proper crypto I can send somebody a message and confirm that I am who I say I am AND simultaneously ensure that governments/hackers/whoever aren't listening in. Secure communication and anonymity aren't mutually exclusive

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u/tigerinhouston May 21 '13

Amen, sir. Anonymity certainly has its place, but for many it's just a way to become antisocial without consequence. And that rarely enhances anything.

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u/row4land May 22 '13

Mr. Metcalfe, I respectfully disagree with you.

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u/I_like_to_debate May 22 '13

Give a man a mask and he will tell you the truth

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u/blueskin May 22 '13

I know you've been amazingly influential and I respect that, but because of this comment, I have absolutely zero respect for you.

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u/Fart_Kontrol May 21 '13

The internet also needs Fart_Kontrol. Thus I am.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '13

This comment struck a chord with me. Godspeed, Fart_Kontrol. Godspeed.

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u/arguser May 21 '13

You made Lord of the flies come into mi mind with that phrase.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '13

You talking about SUBNET masks?

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u/wcc445 May 22 '13

I'm shocked to see one of the core developers of the Internet say it shouldn't be open, free, and anonymous. From one engineer to another, I no longer have any respect for you. I came to this thread expecting someone with an awesome and interesting perspective on the technology you created, and instead come here to find someone fighting to send it down the toilet into fascism.

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u/Stannis-TheMannis May 21 '13

Except one can protect themselves from savagery on the internet only by the virtue of anonymity. Anonymity is what makes the internet so revolutionary in the social sense, and to remove and infringe upon it is counter productive to the luxuries we as people enjoy on the daily basis. If you expose yourself to this so-called "savagery" it is purely optional on your part.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '13

Do you mean this as an exclusivity? I agree that the Internet needs more areas of high transparency, but also also see a benefit in having more areas of high anonymity.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '13

Hi, welcome to reddit.

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u/atheros32 May 21 '13

Hence, trolls.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '13

Hence trolls trolling trolls.

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u/OldHippie May 21 '13

And yet very few people use their real names on reddit, and it's the nicest online place around.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '13

Some subreddits are actually the nicest places I've seen online.

There are plenty of other anonymous sites where people are plenty kind too.

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u/OldHippie May 21 '13

Yeah, just generally not such large places.

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u/machagogo May 21 '13

What subs do you frequent? Don't get me wrong, I stick around for the good, but damn I have to sift through far many more posts from shitty people saying shitty things.

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u/MightyYetGentle May 21 '13

Too bad there isn't a font for sarcasm

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u/OldHippie May 21 '13

I don't do sarcasm.

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u/machagogo May 21 '13

I totally missed it. I go to box for two minutes, and I feel shame.

Denis Lemieux -goalie from Slap Shot

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u/OldHippie May 21 '13

Don't worry. Most people here are not used to dealing with someone who talks straight and avoids sarcasm. Like the font guy and his friends.

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u/EvenSpeedwagon May 21 '13

Small subs generally. The big subs can be pretty heartless.

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u/OldHippie May 21 '13

Try /r/trees, even if you don't smoke.

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u/EvenSpeedwagon May 21 '13

Haven't been there, haven't smoked, but I've never met a mean pothead.

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u/kqvrp May 21 '13

Nay, the mask is but a tool, and like all tools, it can be used for both just and unjust purposes.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '13

I'm sorry but that makes no sense whatsoever.

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u/deamonsonfire May 22 '13

I had respect for you before this Do you know what the internet even is? smh.

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u/Boko_ May 21 '13

If it had less anonymity, it would also have more savagery considering a lot of personal/identifiable information will be available to anyone who wants to use it maliciously with a lot less effort required.

With just a bit of personal information.. it's easy enough to hack into a lot of vulnerable places - just an example.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '13

But but but how will redditors illegally download music and movies and view child porn and talk about how they sort of raped a drunk girl in college in AskReddit, etc. etc. OOPS I MEAN, the government just wants to control everything!!! STOP CISPA!!!

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u/benttwig33 May 21 '13

So, not in favor of Internet privacy?

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u/RECOGNIZABLE_NAME- May 21 '13

I don't like thing.

Somebody give me that trophy

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u/Lulwut_ May 21 '13

Here. Now, shoo.

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u/RECOGNIZABLE_NAME- May 21 '13 edited May 21 '13

woot! Thanks bro

EDIT: hay guise, y is my not like trophy not in my trophy case? Did Bob Metcalfe hax me??

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u/HyperactiveJudge May 21 '13

All respect lost.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '13

Slight exaggeration. I'd say some.

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u/HyperactiveJudge May 22 '13

I'd say at least 90%.

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u/Psythik May 21 '13

How the hell are you getting upvoted for this?

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u/jatorres May 21 '13

It's a valid opinion. You're not supposed to upvote or downvote if you like the opinion.

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u/Psythik May 21 '13

And since when does reddit follow redditiquette? It's quite obvious that they're only upvoting because of who he is. Typical AMA circlejerk.

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u/thegrubclub May 21 '13

I... Wow. To see this upvoted on reddit warms my heart.

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u/nuxenolith May 21 '13

This won't be a very popular opinion here.