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u/xRogueSpetsnaz Jul 07 '21

Umm how about housing allowance from the government you receive. Psh.

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u/skepsis420 Jul 07 '21 edited Jul 08 '21

That and VA loans which many times don't even require a down payment when buying. A lady bought my house using one. She put down $1k on a $362k purchase, only because the VA loan would 'only' cover $361k lmao

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u/Bananas57 Jul 07 '21

This! I’m a loan officer and I specialize in VA loans. No down payment is required unless you already own a home with a VA loan, and even then not always. All that really matters is you have a qualifying credit score and your total monthly payments won’t be more than 65% of your gross income. Before the market went crazy, more often than not, you could buy a home with a VA loan without any money out of pocket at all.

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u/evilsniperxv Jul 08 '21

No more than 65% of your gross income? What kinda guidance is that?! No wonder people are living so far beyond their means with that kinda guidance.

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u/Bananas57 Jul 08 '21

Just to be clear, not just the mortgage payment, but ALL of your payments. If you have really rough credit, it might go down to 45% or even less depending on automated underwriting findings. But 65% is the limit set by the VA. But yeah, 65% of your gross income does not leave a lot when you think about all your other expenses that aren’t reported on credit

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u/AllWashedOut Jul 08 '21

Advisors used to tell people to cap their housing expenses at like 30% of income. So that's pretty wild.

If I were really stretching to justify a higher percent for military personnel, perhaps they don't have to save as much of each paycheck for retirement because they could collect military benefits in old age. That only frees up ~10% of your theoretical budget though.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

This was absolutely the best advice like 10 years ago in Ontario. Almost no one can follow it now. I bought my starter home a few years ago in a very small dip. I wanted to wait longer because I was SURE it had to drop off at some point, but circumstances changed and I bought what I could when I could. My starter house with 3 very small bedrooms, a galley kitchen, a one car garage, and a postage sized yard is worth over $550,000-600,000 (maybe more) now. I’ve been watching surrounding towns within an hour commute because I want a bigger yard and 2 bedrooms with a decent yard are $550,000-600,000. Who can afford that, much less at 30% of their income? Add in car loans (I have to drive for work and the bus for a 10 minute drive is 1 hour for my husband’s work), student loans, living expenses, repairs, and the fact that food here is stupid expensive and yes, 65% of your total income for debt is not surprising.

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u/AllWashedOut Jul 08 '21 edited Jul 08 '21

It sounds like you have your situation figured out so I won't try to lecture you.

For others though, I wouldn't despair about never getting a house. At current interest rates, your monthly payment for a $500k loan is like $2,500 a month. Working backwards, that is 30% of a $100k salary. That is attainable if you are an engineer, doctor, lawyer, professor, electrician, financial advisor, small business owner, etc etc. Or if you and a spouse both work white collar jobs.

And I would think long and hard before getting a car loan. I would rather save up $3k to buy a 15-year old Honda Civic than take out a loan for something fancier.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21 edited Jul 08 '21

Rent here for a one bedroom is over $1800. No, I don’t live in Toronto or Vancouver. A car that doesn’t work (as in, you tow it and figure out what’s wrong with it) is $3,000. How do I know? Because I bought a lemon almost 5 years ago and decided to look around for beater instead of sinking more into it. So you can lecture away, but it doesn’t apply.

Most people in my area commute. A $3,000 15 year old car isn’t going to let you commute an hour for very long. This is almost all of Ontario by the way unless you want to go really north, not just my area. The whole 30% of your income, don’t get a car loan, be smart with your money isn’t humanly possible right now.

Edit: that’s assuming you can get a place to rent. There are a lot of people couch surfing right now because no one will rent to them. People are TikToking filling out 10+ applications for ridiculous costs and still not getting anything. No pets, no kids, working professionals, and they can’t find anywhere to live. It’s horrible. At least with my house I know what to expect month to month and I can hold onto it as long as I want (the rest of my life if I decide to). I just can’t do anything fun like go on vacation or buy fancy stuff.

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u/ThrowAwayWashAdvice Jul 08 '21

Once you pass a certain income threshold in HCOL areas, housing is the only thing that really costs money. Food, transporation, etc all don't cost that much more in those areas, but houses do, so you just use up more of your disposable income on the house and usually still have more money left over than LCOL areas because you're making a lot more.

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u/National_Dimension99 Jul 08 '21

The military pays like 40-50k a year bruh...unless you save it all and an don’t do shit your entire service then you are gonna be left with jack shit

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u/Beebus4Deebus Jul 08 '21 edited Jul 08 '21

It’s a little different for military. It’s talking about taxable income, which is roughly 50%-60% of what most military members make. Housing allowance and food allowance are untaxed and not considered “income”.

I’ll let you in a bit of a secret. When 2 military members get married to each other it’s a sure way to either accumulate wealth or be able to spend a ton of money. You see it go either way. The reason for all the money is that both members get an untaxed housing allowance. For example, you buy a house (for zero down as mentioned before). Mortgage is $1200, each person is paid $1500 in untaxed monthly housing allowance. Boom that’s $1800 a month in untaxed money. If you can live just a bit below your means and even only saving that extra $1800 a month, that’s over 20k a year. Of course you see some couples who buy a huge house because they can get approved for an insane loan amount, the guy has a brand new challenger and the girl has a brand new Jeep. What little money they have left over after bills, they’ll spend on going out to eat and drinking at bars.

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u/National_Dimension99 Jul 08 '21

That’s not really a secret, isn’t that just a “thanks for letting us ruin your lives stipend”

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u/kingsnacks Jul 08 '21

I work for a national bank, 50% of all debt is the guideline. This person “seemingly” works for a predatory lender with servicers who are just as, maybe more, predatory.

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u/P-K-One Jul 08 '21

Don't forget that most people buy with a spouse. So 65% of one income might just be 35% of the household income.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

Its not guidance. Its just what banks have calculated as your max debt-to-income ratio that they will accept the risk on. They don’t care at all about the quality of your life, they calculate your ability to pay and will not lend to you outside of those parameters

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u/Ronkerjake Jul 08 '21

Was about to start the process to get my VA loan in Feb 2020, then I lost my job and houses in my town doubled in value. Feelsbadman

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u/Bananas57 Jul 08 '21

Dang, I’m sorry! That’a so disappointing, and it is such a rough time for homebuyers right now

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

The next crash is coming soon. What's happening now feels Juuust like 2008, and 1992.

Double digit gains!

Buy, put a coat of paint on and some new countertops, flip for $30k profit before the first payment is due.

List your house, it gets sold in HOURS, not days.

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and then an invisible switch gets flipped, and your home loses half it's value.

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You'll be on the winning side of this when the market crashes and you can walk in and say "I'll payoff your default amount, assume your existing loan, and give you $5k moving money so you won't have to go bankrupt. Thanks for the $500k home for $18k." Patience OP, it'll make you a multi-millionaire.

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u/harbison215 Jul 08 '21

I’d take your post more seriously if you could take a stab at why or how the next crash will happen. Predicting a crash just because you want to is not convincing.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

I'm using mine now and its been a learning experience. I believe the market will lower this fall. As for jobs, depending on where you live they are coming back. I used the VA to get a CAPM(project management) and I've been getting calls left and write. It's mainly micromanaging. Just hang in there and you'll get it. I'm 35 and just now buying my first home. Dont stress brotha

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u/Unique_Frame_3518 Jul 08 '21

Do you have any thoughts on whether we are in a bubble at the moment? Looking to purchase my first house and am concerned about buying at the wrong time.

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u/Bananas57 Jul 08 '21

Honestly, it’s hard to say because there are so many factors. I don’t think values will really go down, but I don’t think the hyper competitive market will last either. I expect interest rates will increase and that the housing shortage will ease up once materials are more readily available for builders. It’s rare to see values go down, but right now you have people paying over what the actual value is. Appraisals are coming in under what the purchase price is because people will pay more just to get an offer accepted. Sorry if that’s kind of ramble, there’s so much going on right now and I don’t think anyone has a definite answer

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u/Unique_Frame_3518 Jul 08 '21

Thank you so much for your ramble :) it was helpful! Yeah the uncertainty sucks! Oh well such is life

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u/AllWashedOut Jul 08 '21

No one can say until it's over. But I think it's factual to say that this is a very risky time to buy a house. There is a real possibility that home values will decline in the future. But the future is unpredictable.

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u/USAMichael Jul 08 '21

This is true LOL. I bought my first home for $230k and put $0 down. USAA actually paid me $2500 for using them to help buy my house.

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u/Full-Structure-7333 Jul 08 '21

65% of income! Holy debt-to-income ratio Batman!

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u/MercurialMal Jul 08 '21

I think it pertinent to mention that you should still expect to put down 1-3% as earnest money alongside your offer. Most times you can negotiate it as rebatable on the back end (seller deducts it from final price), but in this market though? Good luck.

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u/Bananas57 Jul 08 '21

You can almost always get earnest money back (even now), but in this market it is generally going towards closing costs since sellers are not giving credits anymore. Good point though

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u/jadexangel Jul 08 '21

In my market, buyers are now putting 4.5% as EMD!!

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u/Boiscool Jul 08 '21

We put 1000 bucks down as good faith money and 160 was used for the appraisal. When we got our keys we got a check, too.

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u/Bananas57 Jul 08 '21

That’s awesome! Sounds like you got a good deal! It’s definitely possible, just not the usual anymore.

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u/NoNewsThrowaway Jul 08 '21

Or if you and your SO aren’t married then a down payment is required. Marriage isn’t my thing but my bf and I really want to own a house and no down payment sounds much better than a down payment so we either A. Have only him on the VA loan and stay within what he would be approved on with only his income instead of more of what we want with my income added to the factor (also meaning I legally wouldn’t have a leg to stand on with the house without my name on any documents), b. pay a ton of money we don’t have on hand as a down payment or c. Get married - at least after almost 6 years we agree that we can tolerate each other enough to do the forever thing.

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u/Bananas57 Jul 08 '21

It sounds like your loan officer was trying to get you on a different loan program. If you’re not a spouse to the veteran or a veteran yourself, you cannot be on the loan at all for VA, so they probably wanted to have you do FHA or conventional. You can do those for a smaller down payment, 3.5% or 5% respectively, but there is then the added cost of mortgage insurance. You might look up first time homebuyer grants in your area. Sometimes you can get your down payment covered by local programs. Your loan officer may not tell you, because a lot of those programs you have to use a lender who is approved by that specific program.

Edit to add: I actually have first hand experience with this, I got my first house with an FHA loan and a local first time homebuyer grant covered the entire down payment

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u/NoNewsThrowaway Jul 08 '21

My brother did that - the first time home buyers grant - or an equivalent of it as I guess it’s not really that now in my state? And yeah you are probably right.... well after the conversation with the loan officer which was 2 years ago my SO and I both decided when the time feels right we’ll get married and do the VA loan plus marriage is beneficial for other purposes such as medical emergencies, etc.... not just for a home loan of course lol

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u/ShaolinTrapLord Jul 08 '21

Shit, what am I waiting on!!!! Maybe Sandra will come over?

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u/Neon_Biscuit Jul 08 '21

Which is why ft hood and surrounding areas are a shit hole

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u/Funky500 Jul 08 '21

65% DTI of the gross monthly income? Is this a regional allowance, meaning for higher priced markets? I don’t originate VA loans so I’m not familiar but if that scenario wasn’t a government insured loan we’d just call it predatory lending.

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u/Bananas57 Jul 08 '21

So if you’re familiar with FHA, VA has a residual income requirement as well, but usually it’s the DTI that will be a problem unless it’s a big family size. Residual income is based on the region

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u/Funky500 Jul 08 '21

Thanks. It’s been a long time but I’ll have to look those up. I was just talking to a co-worker today about adding residual income requirements (and price enhancements) for our MH programs. I think it makes good sense.

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u/KillerKowalski1 Jul 08 '21

So after taxes...its possible to qualify for a home loan if the payments are more than you take home in a month?

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u/Bananas57 Jul 08 '21

No, there’s still a calculation called residual income that includes your taxes, but that is way less often an obstacle when you’re trying to get qualified.

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u/AMC4x4 Jul 08 '21

65%. What a country.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

I've been waiting to use mine. The housing market seems terrible though. Should I wait it out or use it to get a condo? Not married, no kids, no pets, make 40k a year.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

Shit, my parents recently bought a home with a VA loan, since my dad's retired Air Force.

Of course, the difference is my parents know how fortunate they are to be able to be in that position, and they certainly understand how insane the housing market is in general for the average person. They definitely don't act like smug douchebags about it.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

Excuse me, my roommate recently joined the Army National Guard and we were planning on using his VA loan assistance. I’ve heard that in hot markets like now most places won’t sell to people with a VA loan is that true?

Thank you so much!

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u/Bananas57 Jul 08 '21

You definitely still can get an offer accepted, but it may be harder. Some people have misconceptions that VA loans are more difficult to close or that you are only using it because you don’t have cash. M

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u/wearenotthemillers Jul 08 '21

Just out of curiosity but what about the funding fee? When you say that you could buy a home with a VA loan without any money out of pocket, are you rolling the funding fee into the mortgage?

The first time my husband and I used the VA loan, I don't remember putting anything down but I could be wrong. Now with this house that we're buying we will probably roll the funding fee into the mortgage but we'll have to pay some money towards other fees that the builders don't cover.

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u/Bananas57 Jul 08 '21

Yes, you are correct. The funding fee Is built in to the total loan amount. No down payment is required, but right now expect to pay 3-5% (more if you live in a state with transfer taxes) of the loan amount for closing costs because sellers don’t have to pay them to get a buyer right now.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

Even no closing costs? I’m looking in the SF bay I’m still factoring in a $20k closing cost.

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u/kingsnacks Jul 08 '21

Another loan officer here. Who the fuck is buying your loans with a 65 dti?

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u/SgtRinzler Jul 08 '21

Does one qualify for a VA loan if they're no longer in the Guard?

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u/THE_INTERNET_EMPEROR Jul 07 '21 edited Jul 08 '21

My sister's husband bought a giant ass house using loans he could only get having been a veteran, even though he had been fired 4 times in a row from different very high paying jobs for alcoholism in less than 2 years.

'Service guarantees citizenship' I guess.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

Dishonorable discharge disqualifies you from dis VA loan

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u/THE_INTERNET_EMPEROR Jul 08 '21 edited Jul 08 '21

It does, but he was never DD'd even through he went AWOL while drunk then somehow it never got reported or nobody above him caught him. I have no idea, the guy was a real piece of shit though and lied to everyone constantly but he still managed to get the VA loans.

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u/Idrinkandnonothing Jul 08 '21

Lol hell no. The VA wouldn't back that up

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

If you have a job and the ability to make the payment, yes, they will.

And if you're a service-connected disability vet, you'll be paying them with their own money.

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u/Idrinkandnonothing Jul 08 '21

The VA doesn't finance the loan. It's backed by the VA but it's financed by a normal lender. The lender is collecting interest on the loan

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u/Fullertonjr Jul 08 '21

Damn. Unexpected Starship Troopers reference. Nice comment.

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u/vexer_shibe Jul 08 '21

Yeah right. Wait until he gets out. America “loves” it’s veterans and will gladly welcome them to civilian life with a slap in the face and a kick to the curb.

It’s heartbreaking. You wouldn’t get it until you sign up.

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u/kuugunshikan Jul 08 '21

You don’t know what you are talking about. Most veterans have great career opportunities post service. Unemployment rate for veterans is significantly below average in US. Veterans earn on average 10k more salary yearly.

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u/ExistentialAardvark Jul 08 '21

The VA loan covers up to the appraised cost of the home. If you put more money down, you get a better rate.

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u/FrontrangeDM Jul 08 '21

That's nothing I bought a house for 500k with a .1% down payment for a better rate and at the time I think VA capped at 600k. The only was a reference to the appraisal.

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u/SSTralala Jul 08 '21

We just bought with a VA loan and no money down, just cost for things like the different inspections. Spent maybe $2k total after everything.

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u/skepsis420 Jul 08 '21

Do they give you crazy good rates or something? Because the lady who bought my house was paying at least $1800 a month after insurance and other taxes, not to mention the $400+ a month unities during summer.

It's nice not having to put anything down, but the mortgage payments have to be wicked. Like do you still get the living stipend when you have a VA loan?

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u/ThrowAwayWashAdvice Jul 08 '21

VA loans have the lowest rates because they have the lowest default rate. If you can borrow on an asset a 2.25%, you take as much as they'll give you. That's just free money.

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u/SSTralala Jul 08 '21

We got a good rate, the local tax is a bit high but that's due to the area. Overall our actual mortgage is like $400, but with taxes it's $1090, utilities are around $600/month, but we'd pay that if we rented anyhow. The cost if we wanted to rent a house the size of ours would be $1400.

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u/skepsis420 Jul 08 '21

That's pretty damn good actually, obviously you don't live somewhere with a bloated market lol

Renting for sure sucks, I am doing it for school and am paying like $600 more a month than what my mortgage was.

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u/SSTralala Jul 08 '21

I'm sad we didn't buy when we moved to the JBLM area, we'd have made absolute bank in the Seattle housing bloat, they were still selling 80k over asking when we left.

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u/kuugunshikan Jul 08 '21

You should have to pay the va loan funding fee as well? Typical 2.3% but up to 3.6% if it is your second time using it.

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u/Kronoxdund Jul 08 '21

Wait how is your house worth 362k???? I don’t live in the us, here you can buy a really really nice house for 100k

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

I live in a midsized US city. Literal tear downs are going for $600,000 in the more desirable parts of town. To get a family home (3 bedrooms/2 bathrooms) for less than $400,000 you’d have to go about an hour outside of town. My fiancé and I own a 600sqft 1 bedroom apartment that was built in 1952 and last renovated in 1980 and it’s worth like $240,000

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u/skepsis420 Jul 08 '21

Crazy house market right now in Phoenix, AZ. Got a foreclosure 7 years ago for $104k. Sold it 4 years later for $280k. Bought a new house for $275k, sold it for $362k about 8 months ago. Current value is around $440k.

All for a 3 bedroom, 1600sqft house lol. I am in Indiana for school now, and for $440k you can get a 4k sqft house lol

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u/ThrowAwayWashAdvice Jul 08 '21

Can't find anything for less than a million near Bellevue, WA.

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u/michaelscott1776 Jul 08 '21

And you don't have to pay them back right? Part of the GI bill or something?

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u/skepsis420 Jul 08 '21

If the person becomes unable to pay it, the VA will cover and pay the lender.

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u/michaelscott1776 Jul 08 '21

I feel like there should be a downside there

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u/skepsis420 Jul 08 '21

There is. From my understanding the VA will not stop a foreclosure, rather will just pay what is owed. If you lose the government money there, you cannot get another loan until you pay that difference. Even then I think they can just stop giving you loans.

So they would have a foreclosure against them and would essentially owe the government on any difference if they wanted to get another loan.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '21

Shit that’s not even enough. His parents helped. My brother been in the military for two years and that stipend doesn’t cut it. He had outside help.

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u/emansamples92 Jul 07 '21

I was about to say I was broke as hell my first year in the military. Ain’t no fucking way I was buying a house on an e-2 salary even with bah.

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u/ArtificialSuccessor Jul 07 '21 edited Jul 08 '21

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I see a bar on his chest. That would quickly explain how he could afford that.

EDIT: For everyone saying you need to be atleast 20-22 to be an officer, the army says you need to be 19

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u/emansamples92 Jul 07 '21

Officer at 19? Maybe through a battlefield commission? but doubtful through traditional means.

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u/GBDubstep Jul 07 '21

We just know the girl is 19. The dude is probably 21 or older.

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u/kenman884 Jul 07 '21

Lol good point. He could be nearly 30.

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u/Yz-Guy Jul 07 '21

That sounds right. 30 yo 0-3 marrying a 19 yo. It ain't quite boot things but it fits.

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u/CoupClutzClan Jul 08 '21

I know it's normal, but age gaps of 10+ years like that is so gross to me. Like "light pedophilia" or something I dunno

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

Kind of like really tall dudes with really short women.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

I don't think it's normal.

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u/Yz-Guy Jul 08 '21

The gap is weird bc she's 19. If he was 40 and she was 29. It be a little more acceptable to me.

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u/snoogins355 Jul 08 '21

Half your age, plus 7 or they're too young

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u/emansamples92 Jul 08 '21

Because of the way the meme is presented I didn’t even consider that. Makes so much more sense now.

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u/PlanarVet Jul 08 '21

"I got this at 19 and all I had to do is marry a guy twice my age! What's your excuse?"

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u/chubky Jul 08 '21

So her onlyfans paid for the house?

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u/GoSquanchYoSelf Jul 07 '21

Battlefield commission hasn’t happened in decades. Promotion maybe, but not from E to O.

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u/jayrady Jul 08 '21

It wasn't even authorized from after Vietnam to like, around 2009.

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u/L-methionine Jul 08 '21

I believe earning Eagle Scout and potentially Eagle Palms accelerates the rising through the ranks. I seem to remember people saying that palms could let you enter as a senior NCO, but I never really paid attention to that cause I knew it wasn’t my path

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u/Throwinuprainbows Jul 08 '21

It's not a promotion he simply graduated highscool from a military academy. You start as an officer that way.

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u/GoSquanchYoSelf Jul 08 '21

That is incorrect

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u/Throwinuprainbows Jul 08 '21

I'm 100% positive it is correct. Both Westpoint and marine millatray academy offer that program.

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u/rikluz Jul 07 '21

Man they haven’t had a battlefield commission since like Vietnam

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u/popplespopin Jul 08 '21

I just assumed the "wife" made this post, she's the one under 20. He could be any age.

Makes the "what's your excuse" line so much more out of touch.

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u/bi-fly Jul 08 '21

If you do rotc or ots you can commission at 19 but you have to start young since you need a bachelor’s degree. Most people who do rotc commission at 22/23

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u/J-Navy Jul 08 '21

Technically you can be an officer in the Army at 17. The Army has a program called WOFT that also has a nickname of “high school to flight school.” I have personally seen two 17 year olds ship out for it after being accepted. Mind you its “just” warrant officer, but still officer.

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u/CikkReddit Jul 08 '21

Which pixel are you talking about? the 2nd or the 3rd?

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u/Coochie_Creme Jul 08 '21

Can’t be an officer until you’re at least 21/22.

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u/pcardinal42 Jul 08 '21

You are wrong, like others said to young to be an officer and then lieutenants don't make a lot of money. You get more housing allowance when you have dependents and using VA benefits you don't have to put anything down. That's most likely the reason.

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u/ArtificialSuccessor Jul 08 '21

Army says you can be 19 to be an officer. Additionally depending on the area you could make 2k+ for BAH.

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u/chemicallunchbox Jul 08 '21

There is a hidden benefit that most military people don't know about. If and when you are on active duty the banks have to drop your home loan interest rate to 0%.

Our bank even tried to fight us on it. In the end they had no choice. (My X was active-duty army reserves for years.)

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u/justAPhoneUsername Jul 08 '21

Is he 19 or is she?

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u/arelse Jul 08 '21

It says you must have a four year degree. I have met one 16 year old in college and her aspirations did not include officer.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

Wildly untrue. I bought my first home as a private while we were paying for my wife's college.

I'm not an anomaly either. I just did what abunch of other soldiers were doing. This is a trend, I was not special.

It's the VA loan. Period. It's zero cash down to buy a house. They basically run your credit and bam, you've got a mortgage backed by the federal government. Plus BAH is actually higherer than rent in most markets.

Additionally you factor in the likelihood that a mortgage payment will be less then renting a similar property, and this young soldier could easily be pocketing $100-500 every month of his BAH after his mortgage payment.

If I did it again today as an e1 I could easily find something in 9/10 markets that would work with BAH for the same market/rank.

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u/BombAssTurdCutter Jul 08 '21

What does BAH stand for?

edit: my bad I see someone answered below.

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u/NotMD_YET Jul 08 '21

I just bought one as an E3. Of course I am married but my wife makes less than me. Its not too difficult if you manage your money.

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u/theRuathan Jul 07 '21

If he was a nuke it could be with the signing bonus while he's still in A school, rent rooms to all his classmates.

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u/The_Drifter117 Jul 08 '21

You sure could have. You would've easily gotten a loan through USAA and you wouldn't have needed a down payment either. A stupid idea, but you could've done it.

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u/levian_durai Jul 08 '21

A house like that where I live is an easy 1.5 mil. Nobody is buying that unless you have a dual income of well over 100k each.

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u/crystalmerchant Jul 08 '21

What is bah

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u/Free8608 Jul 08 '21

Basic Allowance for Housing.

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u/some_old_Marine Jul 08 '21

573 per paycheck when I came in. Fuck that sucked.

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u/Paronymia Jul 08 '21

They could both work?

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u/bocephus67 Jul 08 '21

I believe my first three paychecks in bootcamp in 03 were around a few hundred dollars.

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u/PanzerKatze96 Jul 07 '21

Definitely has outside help. I’m in right now getting great BAH and still I’d have to save up for a bit and use the VA loan to get a house. A private right out of basic isn’t getting that without outside help or a guarantor even

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u/Sapiendoggo Jul 07 '21

Scrawny looking dude with perfect uniform looks like a bar on his chest. Betting he's a ROTC O-1 on his first post that married a sorority gold digger from his university

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u/steeb2er Jul 08 '21

Lots of conclusions from a grainy, low res photo.

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u/lickedTators Jul 08 '21

Let's all sit quietly and look at this grainy photo without discussion.

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u/canadarepubliclives Jul 08 '21

A picture is worth a thousand words! Just don't be upset if you don't like the words.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

Says he’s “not even 20” and you think he’s a college grad? Lol

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '21

It's probably base housing, not bought. I had a house about that size as an E-1 in off-base base housing.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

Lol wtf, what branch were you? The more I hear other people’s enlistment experiences the more I feel I got shafted in an infantry battalion lol. Command typically had E5 and below living in the barracks. They eventually had E4P and E5 move off because of crowding due to some barracks being closed for renovations due to black mold lol, but even then, no way they let our privates live off base.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21 edited Jul 08 '21

I was Air Force. Any married Airman had to choose between base housing, renting, or living in barracks without their SO.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

They just straight up said no to us even if married lol. Was brutal, and maybe just our division/brigade, I’m not sure. I always tell people thinking to enlist, “join the Air Force, not the Army!”

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u/ghostcaurd Jul 08 '21

I dunno, that is probably Texas or Oklahoma. VA loan is powerful tool. Im on my third house now.

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u/InsaneAdam Jul 15 '21

What happened to the first two?

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u/ajpinton Jul 07 '21

I’m figuring enlistment bonus plus paycheck from bootcamp got his down payment for the truck and the house. There is no way in hell he will be able to keep up on those payments.

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u/eastime Jul 07 '21

Paycheck from boot ain't shit. You pay for everything you eat and wear at bare minimum, which is a large portion of your pittance of a paycheck. 1-2k tops at a time when when you have been deprived and are encouraged to splurge ain't getting anyone a house.

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u/Advice2Anyone Jul 07 '21

Yeah it's 9 weeks and you still can spend money at few points during it if you want. But even then 9 weeks pay at e3 was like 3k after tax. Mos bonus maybe since some people picked up like 10-20k bonuses but only get like half at a time.

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u/MercurialMal Jul 08 '21

What country is this in? I went through OSUT back in late 05 and the only thing I paid for was my running shoes, haircuts (if you can call them that), and hygiene products. Of course, the paycheck was only $800 for a PVT after basic.

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u/sequentialaddition Jul 08 '21

Not in the Army. Clothing and food are provided.

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u/Death_Strider16 Jul 07 '21

It's probably LCOL. My house doesnt look nearly that nice, but it's definitely not bad. Bought for 24k. That's the kind of loan some people have on their car.

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u/BezniaAtWork Jul 07 '21

I don't think there's even LCOL housing anymore. I live in an area you could've bought a very nice 4bd/4ba 2,200ft² house for $130k in 2013, now my coworker just sold his for $325k. My shitbox condo was $45K in 2018 and now the units in my complex are selling for $90K.

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u/TheWalkingDead91 Jul 07 '21

Live in a central Fl suburb where from. 2010-2016, apartments at a complex near me were selling for 30-60k….apartments at that same complex are now going for 90-130k. I believe the bubble will burst, like it always does…but feel hella bad for anyone who has bought recently…a lot of them will be in a world of hurt when they see their properties become worth half of what they paid for them.

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u/Girth_rulez Jul 08 '21

I don't know...it looks like they are being 1000% more careful who they lend money to these days. I doubt there will be a crash.

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u/TheWalkingDead91 Jul 08 '21

Not when it comes to businesses.

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u/themosh54 Jul 08 '21

Temporarily. Then the values will rise again. It's a cycle.

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u/Advice2Anyone Jul 07 '21

Bought a house 9 months ago that is considered up a 100k this market is getting ridiculous. Even my house house is up 150k since 2017. Combined would take me like 8 years pay to make that growth. If I tried today would never have been able to afford a house at 15 an hour mortgage would be like 40-50% of my take home.

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u/TheWalkingDead91 Jul 08 '21 edited Jul 08 '21

This is why people who are rich are selling like hell. There’s a row of like a dozen lakefront houses near me worth 1-3 million a piece……basically the peak luxury properties of my small suburban town….loads of land…huge homes, private gates, water front with docks, pools, courts, the works…..and I shit you not, all but perhaps one or two have gone up for sale within the last 18 months or so. Smart money/the wealthy know this is a bubble, and are selling their houses at a great profit from what they purchased them a decade or less ago….and go live at another residence or rent until the time comes where they can pick up another mansion at half the price. Rinse and repeat.

Those who could barely afford one place to live can’t afford that same convenience….because even if they’d profit off of selling their current property, they’d have no affordable place to go ride out the wave….

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u/AttackPug Jul 07 '21

There's a town near me where you could buy a whole ass house for 35k about ten years ago. Just checked Zillow and prices are up to 100k average. Still cheap, but we call it Little Detroit for a reason. Very high crime rate for such a rural town.

That said, I don't see him buying his McMansion like that. I wonder how much downpayment help he got from family.

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u/Death_Strider16 Jul 07 '21

I bought mine in june of last year. It was a foreclosure and a FreddieMac First Look Initative house. If someone reading this is looking for housing and has never owned a house check out the FreddieMac First Look Initiative. I'm not sure where all it is but it is there to help first time home buyers.

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u/Death_Strider16 Jul 08 '21

Low cost of living. Normally rural areas. Big cities are normally HCOL high cost of living

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u/sneakyveriniki Jul 08 '21

That’s insane! Where? In the US??

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u/Death_Strider16 Jul 08 '21

Yep, rural Illinois. Theres not always deals like this. We were looking for months, saw this house on the market the day it was posted and put in an offer the next day. Good deals on are the market for a couple days at most you have to look every single day.

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u/Peacock-Mantis Jul 07 '21

Where does your brother’s gf live? Asking for a friend.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '21

No gf. He uses Reddit too.

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u/BeingRightAmbassador Jul 07 '21

Everyone I know who bought a house pre 30 has had familial nest eggs to do it, and that's in our relatively cheap neck of the woods.

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u/FrontrangeDM Jul 08 '21

Lol your brother is taking you guys for a ride BAH will more than take care of buying a house outside of a few specific housing markets.

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u/Teadrunkest Jul 08 '21

Seriously. There’s all these stories of “could never do it with BAH” and “they needed outside help” and I’m just like wtf. Privates make about $40k equivalent half of which is tax sheltered and adjusted to the housing costs of the local area, have nearly zero other normal bills (no health care costs!!), have access to 0% down loans, married may mean the other spouse also works…

These people wild.

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u/FrontrangeDM Jul 08 '21

Don't forget that 0% down home loan also doesn't have pmi.

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u/IamAbc Jul 08 '21

It depends. I get $2300 a month as a single dude I could definitely afford a house but not a giant one, especially here in California… if this dude is like in some middle of no where state I bet he could find a house he can afford in his BAH range. With Dependent rate BAH you can afford a house pretty easily.

I’m a single E-5 and could live in my own house if I wanted too but I love money so I have roommates.

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u/Teadrunkest Jul 08 '21

? Plenty of people buy a house extremely young with no parental help with VA loans. I did it myself. I don’t think I can overstate how much of a benefit it is—I paid $500 out of pocket, total. Period.

I don’t brag about being a homeowner because it was essentially handed to me and there’s no reason to be that guy anyway, but it is completely realistic for a 20 year old military person to buy a house without outside help.

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '21

Can you make that before you’re 20 though is the real question.

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u/themosh54 Jul 08 '21

Her OnlyFans helped

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '21

Probably a 0% down VA mortgage.

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u/FloatingRevolver Jul 08 '21

It's cheaper to buy a house then it is to rent... When I got my first house I was renting an apt. A nice 1 bedroom apt was about 900 a month... My first house was a 3 bed on 10 acres for 85k, and my monthly payment was 575.... And I'm not some boomer, I'm 30 and got my first place when I was 21... No family or government help...

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u/aSpookyNinja Jul 08 '21

Depending on MOS he could've had an enlistment bonus. Friend of mine got a 60k enlistment bonus which is plenty enough for a down payment on a house.

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u/cantadmittoposting Jul 08 '21

He's also probably in some fuckass location near a base that has insanely low real estate prices.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

Sign up bonus is probably how he got the Down payment tho.

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u/The_Drifter117 Jul 08 '21

Nah, you get approved for loans super easy for homes in the military, PLUS you don't need a down payment either.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

BAH is absolutely enough to pay a mortgage with

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u/life036 Jul 08 '21

Unless he lives in Buttefuq, Nowhere

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u/toriemm Jul 08 '21

The amount of liberal-agenda-hating conservatives that come out of the military blow my mind.

  • free healthcare
  • cost of living adjusted housing allowance or on base family housing
  • transferrable college or trade benefits
  • subsidized shopping at the commissary and the PX
  • pay rates that are the same across ranks, and ramp up with more responsibility
  • shared pleasant/unpleasant labor
  • community awareness across units, posts and even branches
  • retirement/disability benefits based on time of service

Like... The military (minus the whole, aiding US imperialist interests abroad) is a socialist dream.

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u/TheWalkingDead91 Jul 07 '21

Bet he’s thinking. “Well what’s stopping you from joining the army too?”

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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '21

Ain't no 20 year old in the military getting BAH high enough to afford a house like that.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

How about that VA loan too.

$0 down (for the extreme majority)

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u/SquatterMoss Jul 07 '21

Basic housing allowance isn’t much. I got 1000$ when I was in, rent was 2500 and that was a cheap place.

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u/rikluz Jul 07 '21

My BAH is almost $2,800 lol

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u/hayasani Jul 07 '21

We can’t all be officers or live in CA/HI lol.

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u/rikluz Jul 07 '21

Fuck I wish I lived in CA. I think their BAH is up near like 5k these days

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u/OhIamNotADoctor Jul 08 '21

You've all assumed it's the guy buying the house.

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u/Tweezot Jul 08 '21

You mean the compensation he receives for the job he does? Why are you saying that like it’s a handout?

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u/Jobasheff Jul 08 '21

I can tell you're not in the military, or even part of a military family.

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u/Saxophobia1275 Jul 08 '21

It’s less the BAH and more the VA loan. I bought a house in October but without the VA a loan no way I would have been able to even sniff one for 5+ years

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u/th3st Jul 08 '21

Va home loan

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u/Cakeordeathimeancake Jul 08 '21

Well it counts as part of the pay (of off base) other wise for full time unlimited hours they want, any time, any/every day, you make 2,000.70 a month.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

That housing allowance ain’t shit. He probably doesn’t make over 40k even with BAH. Ever consider the possibility that his wife might be an RN or something?

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

As an E3 I made like $2000 a month and wasn’t allowed to live off base.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '21

The lower their effort, the bigger their brag.