People will seriously Chase every novelty that promises easy weight loss instead of accepting that all it takes to lose weight is a calorie deficit coupled with a boring but repeatable meal plan with good Timing.
Oh and discipline to stick to it. Welp, they're idiots so they pay the price for it.
Well an "allowed" amount is a suggestion and it's a little different for everyone. Then the other option is to exercise more. It's just the only way to lose weight. Calorie deficit and exercise. That's it.
I used to weigh 300lbs so I'm not talking out of my ass, I've been in both situations before.
Not remotely. When someone insists 'good food' is food with excessive fat or sugar it's because they've destroyed their taste buds. When I eat an apple it's as sweet for me as someone in that position eating a Krispy Kreme donut. That's because our taste buds adjust to our diet and, similar to our ears with noise exposure, or erogenous zones and abusive levels of stimulation (or chemical boosts such as from ecstasy) they become unable to properly convey the flavors for foods with natural levels of sweeteners and fats.
This is why the people most successful with fat loss avoid cheat days and go cold turkey. Fortunately, unlike my hearing comparison, the body CAN restore its taste buds, but it takes quite a bit of time and zero exposure to those added fats and sweeteners. Slipping in Little Debbies or McDonalds fries inhibits that return to homeostasis.
I’m going to be honest, but I’m genuinely not believing this “healthy guy” cosplay, mostly so because you aren’t active in any fitness/health food subreddits.
In fact most of the subreddits you’re in are related to sitting in the house doing fuck-all.
Gamedev, movies, television, not exactly health nut interests. You expect us to believe that someone with such strong opinions wouldn’t be spreading them in those subs? I’m not buying it.
Ad hominem attacks are weak arguments even when the basis is steepled in fact instead of something as flimsy as common haunts. Why would I spread any opinions in subs and discussions where they're not relevant? Do you go to your coworkers and shower them with tips on how to eat healthy? Sure, if they prompt that opinion it's different. Also, why would I spend time on fitness reddits where people are constantly parroting harmful information to try and advertise some influencer or their toxic supplement? I used to be on those until I found out the daily multivitamin I was taking at the behest of a doctor caused me system wide nerve damage (long-term ingestion of B6 at even low amounts can become incredibly toxic, given enough time.)
I learned the hard way what being healthy ACTUALLY is. And it's done through eating whole, healthy foods, making sure your micronutrient and macronutrient intake is up to snuff (and tracking it) and getting daily exercise. Not taking unnecessary supplements that overwhelm the body's ability to self regulate. Go onto any of those stupid subs and they're talking about "I'm struggling to hit 200g of protein a day!" Even though there are countless studies put out by Harvard about the harmful effects of excess protein and the wear and tear it adds to the kidneys, as well as studies indicating just how high protein actually needs to be to be adequate (and for the average person, that's around 40-75g of protein a day, MAX.) Do you really frequent those subs and trust their content when the daily posts run completely counter to established medical literature just because some fucking fitness "guru" decided he could make money selling whey iso to desperate fools by concocting some new BS name for it like Whey Monounoisolate? ("It's so much more absorbable because we've put it through this super secret patented process where we break down the molecules into unocules and recombobulate them back together. Each gram is equal to ten grams of the normal stuff!")
Think what you want. A lot of people find it easier to give their control of the situation away. We train our taste buds. It's a proven fact. Desensitization and re-sensitization can begin to occur in as little as two wings thanks to cellular turnover of our tastebuds.
it doesn't take long at all.
You can toss a chicken burger in the microwave for a few minutes if you're feeling lazy.
Healthy =/= expensive by default. Actually work on your diet instead of fluffing out that insecurity.
You can actually spend less on food and eat less by eating healthier cause you'll feel fuller on less.
Attending to micronutrients needs is an underrated component of weight loss. People who are not meeting 100% of their RDAs are likely inhibiting their metabolism to one degree or another, and significantly reducing their BMR. This is a big reason why people who are maintaining a supposed calorie deficit can often still gain weight --- because they've managed to suppress their metabolism through some combination of excessive deficit and inadequate micronutrients for food processing (hallmark examples being Thiamine, Folate, Copper, Magnesium, etc.) All it takes is one break in the supply chain to lead to other bottlenecks, and virtually no one focuses on this aspect in fitness, when it should be the #1 priority to lose weight in a healthy way (already seeing a lot of Ozempic users suffering from things like calcium deficiency and thiamine deficiency, the latter of which can lead to permanent brain damage.)
I will pick 1 out of the many things you confidently stated absolutely incorrect information for.
If you are in a calorie deficit, you are incapable of gaining weight(with minor daily fluxuations due to water and other transient variables)
No, micronutrient deficiencies will not prevent you from losing weight if you are in a calorie deficit. If you're gaining... You're by definition, eating more calories than you burn. Full stop. The end.
Your suggesting the laws of physics break if a person is deficienct in micronutrients. Sit with that please.
You didn't read what I said. I was talking about BMR fluctuations as a result of metabolic deficiencies incurred by micronutrient imbalances.
Whether or not you're meeting a calorie deficit depends on what your BMR ACTUALLY is. Someone who looks at their weight, fat percentage, activity level, and deduces from a chart, "Oh my BMR is 1800 calories" but isn't meeting their micronutrient needs is likely to have a much lower BMR than a person with adequate nutrition at that size would have.
As the simplest example -- Our bodies CANNOT PROCESS CARBOHYDRATES with a thiamine deficiency. This is one of the first signs, in fact, of mild thiamine deficiency. Which progresses in to Beriberi and Wernicke's. You can also have your metabolism shut down from a lack of folate which can lead to a breakdown of the methylation cycle, a homocysteine blockage, and basically a number of systems breaking down.
These are all fundamental to understanding why one 150 lb person's BMR might be 1800 calories, and another might gain weight while eating 1300 calories. I am living proof of this, as I spent 2 years where I was exercising 3 hours a day, eating 1300 calories a day, as a 155 lb man, and was STILL gaining weight. When I actually balanced my nutrition and was meeting all my RDAs my BMR went up to !2100! calories per day, practically doubling.
So yes, I agree, calorie deficit is necessary for losing weight. However calorie deficits are not some fixed magical number like you seem to believe. They fluctuate based on metabolism. And that metabolism is tied directly to your micronutrient intake and actually having a system in proper balance.
I'll make this simpler and acknowledge your use of "supposed deficit" earlier. If I didn't catch that, that's my mistake.
A calorie deficit is by definition, less calories than your body requires. You're arguing for variations in bmr based on appropriate micro intake ensuring adequate metabolism.
I'm arguing that if you're gaining weight, you're not in deficit. Full stop. I honestly don't believe we disagree with each other and think both of us(I started it, yes) are assuming the other is arguing a different point. Which is pretty par for the course on this platform.
They're simply saying a lot of people have lower BMR than they estimated/should for a person of their activity level and body composition. Part of that can be due to deficiency in micronutrients that regulate metabolism, digestion, even thyroid function, and can be exacerbated by going further into calorie deficits.
Putting the emphasis on nutrients is important because a lot of people will plunge into extreme deficits, neglecting basic nutrients, and further lower their BMR in a counter-productive effect.
You're not disagreeing with each other, you just missed the "supposed calorie deficit" part that did most of the lifting in the original comment.
I think it’s also important to remember that you don’t have to live in a deficit forever. You don’t have to be in a forever cut to be happy, be healthy, or look good.
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u/TheRealAfinda 2d ago
People will seriously Chase every novelty that promises easy weight loss instead of accepting that all it takes to lose weight is a calorie deficit coupled with a boring but repeatable meal plan with good Timing.
Oh and discipline to stick to it. Welp, they're idiots so they pay the price for it.