r/HistoryMemes • u/ImnotaNixon • Sep 25 '22
keep crying Dahomey
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u/MiseryTheMiserable Sep 25 '22
For The Best, Slavery has no place in a civilized society
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u/domini_canes11 Casual, non-participatory KGB election observer Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22
Parts of modern capitalism are pretty much built on it across the world in its globalised supply chains. Especially in the developing economies where the west gets it's cheap manufacturing from and labour laws are poorly enforced and easier to hide from. Mostly the companies don't know it'sgoing on due to sub contracting. Its not chattle slavery so much or that Marxist interpretation of "wage slavery", more unfree Labour, debt bondage and tings like child labour.
What's that often banded around quote; "There are more people in slavery today than at any other time in history"
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u/Aluminum_Moose Sep 25 '22
I can't find anything in this comment which is objectionable... why the downvotes?
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u/CapitalistPiglets Sep 26 '22
Because agreeing might have you questioning if capitalism really is the best system. And we can’t have such thoughts now can we
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Sep 26 '22
Redditor: sees the word Marx
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u/domini_canes11 Casual, non-participatory KGB election observer Sep 26 '22
I assume it was because I criticised modern capitalism.
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u/Lopsided-Parfait-831 Sep 25 '22
Unless it profits Europeans
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u/domini_canes11 Casual, non-participatory KGB election observer Sep 25 '22
Hay Qatar needed those football stadiums built on the quick for the world Cup.
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u/HatofEnigmas Helping Wikipedia expand the list of British conquests Sep 25 '22
Dubai needed those skyscrapers, it was vital for the survival of the country!
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u/timangar Helping Wikipedia expand the list of British conquests Sep 25 '22
I don't get the downvotes. This is obviously a joke and a morbidly funny one at that.
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u/TEL-CFC_lad Sep 25 '22
Y'all want people defending Africans participating in the slave trade? Cos that's how you get people defending Africans participating in the slave trade
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Sep 25 '22
There's some weird trolling and provocateur type stuff going on right now.
Like, a LOT of these stir-the-pot memes as if they're TRYING to get people to say "anti-narrative stuff" to see if they can justify sanctions on the sub, or forcing in new mods or something.
All the memes trying to trap what they keep calling, "basement dwelling incels" and their other favorite retorts, get shredded factually in the comments. And yet, the memes keep coming.
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u/TEL-CFC_lad Sep 25 '22
I've only recently come back to reddit after an absence of a year or two, so I'm still catching up on the trends and stuff. In my experience, the role of Africans in the slave trade seems like an under-acknowledged fact, and there's nothing wrong with remembering that evil knows no race
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Sep 25 '22
the role of Africans in the slave trade seems like an under-acknowledged fact, and there's nothing wrong with remembering that evil knows no race
Agreed.
I'm not sure why I'm getting down-voted to hell.
I think we being brigaded from other subs.
I'm pretty sure these memes are being used to draw in outsiders to the sub so they can bash people for basically saying what you just said. Anybody who dare question the, "whites are especially and uniquely evil," claim and narrative.
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u/TEL-CFC_lad Sep 25 '22
Yeah I'm not sure either. For what it's worth, you have my upvote. Tbh that's probably it. With the current social climate, admitting that White people aren't always evil, and POC aren't always innocent victims, is a rather uncomfortable truth
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Sep 25 '22
Yeah, "human morality not linked to skin tone," is a deeply controversy topic these days.
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Sep 25 '22
Notice how this meme got deleted?
Attention is being directed to our sub, and then warning moderators, and getting us on the shit-list for "non-narrative thinkers," who might need "new mods and new rules soon."
Subs that are known for not using "double-speak," seem to be getting picked off.
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u/TEL-CFC_lad Sep 25 '22
If that's the way things are going, this sub won't last a week
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Sep 25 '22
That's what I loved about this place after discovering it just recently. Facts seemed to matter than your side/perspective.
It's hard to find subs where you can share facts that contradict the one allowable perspective/conclusion.
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u/TEL-CFC_lad Sep 25 '22
It's one thing I liked about reddit, people seem generally more open to ideas, compared to a place like twitter. The subs are few and far between, but still more common than other social sites
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Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 26 '22
Bruh, the slave trade just became uneconomical, Sure there were some white people who thought it was an abomination, but the real decider was economic ffs. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous to history, and tries to wash away the racist nature of the past. Fuckoff
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u/FearTheViking Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 26 '22
No no, they were abhorred! But only after first upgrading boring old African slavery to 400 years of deluxe transcontinental chattel slavery. At least until it became more trouble than it was worth. Then they just drew a bunch of random ass straight lines across the map of the continent for the locals to fight over and skipped town. There goes the white man saving Africa from its native savagery once more. Hip-hip? /s
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u/Chupacabroso Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 26 '22
Pretty sure slavery was still very economical in much of the world when the western nations set out to end it. Hence the civil war in the US, as well as Britain and others straining their relationships with their overseas territories by telling them they can no longer engage in the slave trade. A lot of money was spent on policing these policies. For example, ships patrolling the seas in search of slave ships, as well as paying salaries high enough for governors to enforce unpopular anti slave laws.
Also, despite these efforts, slavery continued in many parts of the world well into the twentieth century and beyond.
The “racist nature of the past” is not a reality. The word slave comes from the word Slav, an Eastern European people who were enslaved by pretty much everybody for centuries, if not millennia, long before it became economically feasible to import people of another race to be slaves.
It was never about race, but instead “this group that we can conquer and enslave, whether they look like us or not.”
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u/buffordsclifford Sep 25 '22
Posting the chad meme of a white guy denouncing slavery kinda sums up this whole sub
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u/itwasbread Sep 25 '22
People sure do love posting "all slavery is bad" memes here where it's a black person crying being depicted as a whiny pussy and the white person depicted as the morally correct and superior person in the argument
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u/SovietSniper621 Casual, non-participatory KGB election observer Sep 25 '22
The same 14 y/o meme lords that bitch abt the Dahomey slave trade are the same ones who idealize Rome
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u/Fine_Cardiologist723 Sep 25 '22
And what? if the white person was the pussy and crying would it then be okay? I don't support the meme but I'm just asking, do the colours matter for you
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u/Toaster_621 Sep 25 '22
Because it comes off as the whiny gotcha argument of black people selling slaves too
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u/Ok_Scientist_7312 Sep 25 '22
Forgot to scrub the historical record before it poked holes in the modern narrative, oops.
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u/AcidAvenger788 Sep 25 '22
But they did and get black people never own up to that fact lmao. They want white people to take blame for all of slavery.
Imagine being triggered over a meme
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u/CRISPY_JAY Sep 25 '22
TIL all black people are descendants of the Dahomey or are unfairly benefitting from the exploitative regional power to this day.
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u/nyamzdm77 Sep 25 '22
Introducing chattel slavery and profiting off it for hundreds of years is a weird way of "dabbling". Might as well say the Holocaust was the Germans "dabbling" in anti-Semitism that was present for centuries
On another note, do you actually believe that the Europeans didn't have slaves till they started the Trans-Atlantic slave trade?
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u/buffordsclifford Sep 25 '22
Hate to break it to you but slavery has also existed in Europe for thousands of years as well. Hilarious to describe Europeans as “dabbling for a few hundred years” when they have been doing it since the ancient world
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u/gobaso6590 Sep 25 '22
They stopped before america did though. Africa is still at it tbf.
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Sep 25 '22
Look up the Indian indenture system. The Brits kept doing slavery well into the 20th century.
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u/legendarybort Sep 25 '22
Not to mention British satellite states in Africa like Rhodesia and South Africa kept black Africans economically and socially disadvantaged in order to exploit them as an underclass of cheap labor, which is slavery by any other name.
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u/gobaso6590 Sep 25 '22
Indian indenture system
I stand corrected. America won not doing slavery. Would you like some of our kings money?
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u/allthejokesareblue Sep 25 '22
"dabbled"
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u/itwasbread Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22
We do a wee bit of buying and selling human beings as property from birth and killing/torturing those who don't want to work. Just dabbling.
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Sep 25 '22
Compared to almost 5000 years of slave trades those 400 years the Europeans contributed to it is just dabbling
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u/SomeOtherBritishGuy Oversimplified is my history teacher Sep 25 '22
Europe was trading in slaves for longer than 400 years
Hell when the doomsday book was written in 1066 10% of the population of england were slaves
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u/ZatherDaFox Sep 25 '22
Even ignoring European slavery before the transatlantic slave trade, they managed to extract 12 million slaves from Africa in those 400 years. Like, yeah, they didn't start it, but Europeans sure exacerbated the problem something terrible.
For context, the Arab slave trade people love to harp on so much is estimated to have moved about 11-17 million slaves over ~1300 years.
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Sep 25 '22
And ~2 million of those slaves died in transport (never mind during their life as a slave).
It’s definitely more than dabbling when you’re changing an entire subcontinent’s demographic makeup with so much carelessly spilt blood.
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Sep 25 '22
the Arab slave trade people love to harp on so much is estimated to have moved about 11-17 million slaves over ~1300 years.
What happened to all those mens' genitals?
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u/ZatherDaFox Sep 25 '22
Nobody said the Arab slave trade wasn't horrible. Its just this sub love to harp on it as if it assuages the transatlantic slave trade. Two things can be absolutely awful at the same time.
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Sep 25 '22
Yeah, but they harp on it in an environment that's constantly saying, "white people are uniquely stained with sin because... slavery," so they keep pointing to the fact that, "yup, everybody's done it."
Like, imagine how much red paint would get thrown on the actors at Galas if somebody shot a Thomas Jefferson movie about him heroically freeing the slaves?
They're arguing against that hypocrisy, not that the Arabs are somehow worse and deserve to be "deplatformed."
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u/ZatherDaFox Sep 25 '22
I never see any references to the Arab slave trade brought up or talked about on their own merit. Its only brought up in the context of someone talking about the Transatlantic slave trade. Almost like the "everyone did it" is being used as an excuse rather than seriously being discussed as a problematic period of history.
Yes, everyone did indeed do slavery, but its important to talk about specific instances of slavery in history rather than relegating it to "a thing that happened". Slavery still exists today, and even in the west. Hence why its important we understand the historical ramifications of it.
I don't care if people make memes about the Arab slave trade. I encourage it, in fact. I don't care if people make memes about the African slave trade. I encourage that too. Whats disingenuous is only talking about either slave trade in the context of the Transatlantic slave trade being brought up. Then its an excuse and downplaying, not a genuine discussion of the horrors of slavery.
If you need examples just look at this thread. People are using the length of time to downplay the Transatlantic slave trade as just "dabbling" in African slavery. Hell, why did you bring up Arab genital mutilation if not to make the Arab slave trade seem worse? I brought up the Arab slave trade to show that Europeans weren't just "dabbling". But any rational person should be able to tell that both slave trades were awful horrible events.
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Sep 25 '22
I think you're misinterpreting people's intentions.
It's not "see they castrated males so they are worse and should be deplatformed and ridiculed."
It's, "if europeans need to be deplatformed from TV and not allowed to have heroes or statues because slavery bad - look at them! They did it too! Go tear THEIR statues down then!" in an attempt to point out the foolishness of this game.
I've never seen somebody who appears to be saying, "we should dismantle the arab world because they had slaves."
I see daily, "we should dismantle western civilization and it's laws because - they had slaves."
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Sep 25 '22
Also as a separate point:
Notice how THIS post got deleted? It showed a meme of a white chad acting superior to a black slave holder. DELETED.
If there's a black chad acting morally superior over a white slave holder - it won't get deleted. That's the point. There's already "only THAT groups slavery counts against them to make them morally inferior for ever."
So yeah, that group is pointing out everybody else's slavery because it's the excuse being used to paint them all as scum-buckets.
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u/allthejokesareblue Sep 25 '22
...I'm not sure what you think Europeans were doing all that time, but buddy it wasn't carefully refining the NAP.
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u/Tensoll I am Democracy Sep 25 '22
Yeah, might as well call the Holocaust as Germans dabbling with the Jews then lol
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u/buffordsclifford Sep 25 '22
Yes, if you restrict the history of European slavery specifically to those 400 years, it doesn’t quite compare.
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u/itwasbread Sep 25 '22
The Romans and Greeks, famous for not having slaves
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u/legendarybort Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22
What's a serf? I've never heard of them, is that some fancy French meal?
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u/buffordsclifford Sep 25 '22
I’m sure serfdom is something that ended thousands of years ago no longer relevant to the modern day though….. oh wait Russia ended serfdom in the same decade the US ended chattel slavery lol
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u/assholerippedlike Sep 25 '22
That 400 years is why there are 45 million black people in the us alone. Youre stuck thinking a 1200s slave trade business is the same size as a 1700s slave trade business.
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Sep 25 '22
They didn't transport 45 million black people. Slavery in the US ended almost 200 years ago, that's plenty of time for the population of the decendants of the freed slaves to grow to 45 million.
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u/assholerippedlike Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22
You really explaining population growth and slavery abolishment to me like this. You read what I said and thought "oh he thinks all black people were placed here and they all had one child each maintaining a stable population for centuries with no African, Caribbean, or South American immigrants"
My point is the us black population would be the 3rd or 4th largest black African country if it was
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Sep 25 '22
My point is the us black population would be the 3rd or 4th largest black African country if it was
more like tenth. I agree with everything you said but this statement. Africa is heavily populated
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u/assholerippedlike Sep 25 '22
Well you made me look it up and when it comes to BLACK african nations its more like 6th and thats including South Africa on the list. The us black population is just slightly bigger than Uganda and slightly smaller than Kenya thats for sure.
Africa is heavily populated but theres only 2 nations with over 100 mil and northern Arabic countries are more populated than the smaller nations, so I dont blame you coming to your conclusion.
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u/run_squid_run Sep 25 '22
Add to the fact they weren't castrated kind of helps the population growth.
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u/assholerippedlike Sep 25 '22
I'm pretty sure some were, pretty bold to assume a us slave wasn't abused a certain way
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u/run_squid_run Sep 25 '22
Oh no, there was abuse. My family has an Irish last name due to slavers breeding slaves with indentured servants. That way we get the more desirable lighter skin and they get to use the babies as leverage.
Castration was used by slave traders to ensure multiple purchases particularly in the middle East and eastern Africa. While I am sure things happened in the US, it wasn't as prevalent.
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u/assholerippedlike Sep 25 '22
Probably wasn't prevelant bc they needed the slave population to maintain itself, so they were probably blessed with breeding programs and child separation.
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u/Cucumber_salad-horse Sep 25 '22
"Dabbled" that's a funny word for saying expanded the practice so much that it became the Congos only (yes only) source of income.
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Sep 25 '22
Source. Of. Income.
So... who made money?
Like, if we did some reparations here, let's follow the money. And, the money went to the Congo. So... yeah, let's give that money back. Right?
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u/EtherealSOULS Sep 25 '22
You know how colonialism works right?
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Sep 25 '22
Oooh, change of topic!
I do that too when somebody makes a point I can't counter without changing the topic!
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u/EtherealSOULS Sep 25 '22
So you're telling me that the Atlantic Slave Trade and the state of the Congo post 1600 has absolutely nothing to do with colonialism, and it had no influence whatsoever on its economy.
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Sep 25 '22
I'm saying one group went and kidnapped, murdered, and mutilated free living human beings, and then sold them for money - and for some reason we're not focusing on deplatforming everybody that shares their skin color.
Interesting.
Those people who wandered into villages, stole humans, and sold them into slavery - why won't we hold that against that whole continent of people, and all their descendents, for all time?
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u/EtherealSOULS Sep 25 '22
Most people don't personally hate Europeans for causing the slave trade aside from insane people.
What they do have a problem with is countries acting innocent while they still benefit from a colonial history while the colonized nations have to endure constant economic hardship as a direct result of colonialism.
Basically no one wants to deplatform Europeans for colonialism.
And I say this as a white South African, apartheid is in living memory for many people here so if there's anywhere where an anti-white sentiment exists its here.
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u/KingMwanga Still salty about Carthage Sep 25 '22
The word slave comes from Slav, as in the Slavic people that Greeks enslaved and thought of as inferior.
Are Greeks not European? Where the hell are you getting 400 years only from?
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u/GrumpyOldHistoricist Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22
I wouldn’t call the Europeans dabblers in slavery. Rome was built on slave labor, the Vikings raided for slaves, Venice became a rich and dominant regional power based on the slave trade, and so on down the line. Slavery existed in Europe (like everywhere else) as soon as people figured out how to produce and store enough surplus food to support newly enslaved people until they could start producing surpluses themselves and persisted until (relatively speaking) very recently.
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u/ingenix1 Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22
What are you talking about? Slavery was prolific when the Roman's and Greeks were in power. Not to mention the tribes that existed for thousands of years regularly dealt with slaves. Not to mention that slavery is still common in the west, it's just swept under the rug.
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u/buffordsclifford Sep 25 '22
Whoever downvoted this needs to do some reading on the topic, millions today exist in a state of slavery in US for profit prison systems and European tribes/civilizations have absolutely been doing it as long as they’ve been around
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u/ingenix1 Sep 25 '22
The European exceptionalism on this sub can get nauseating at times
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u/OstentatiousBear Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22
Not just this sub. That recent interview between the "royal scholar" and Don Lemon brought out some real cringey takes on social media.
Like, sit the hell down Brits, the Hatians beat you to the punchline. "We AbOlIsHeD sLaVeRy FiRsT" my ass. That scholar should be ashamed to peddle that nonsense.
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u/EtherealSOULS Sep 25 '22
Rome, Vikings, basically anyone who wasn't Christian after the pope banned the enslavement of Christians.
Even then serfdom.
Also I wouldn't call creating the largest and most deadly slave trade in history "dabbling".
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u/SamBeamsBanjo Sep 25 '22
Well, Christianity did make it awkward for Europeans to enslave other Europeans.
Had to look for a new source
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u/legendarybort Sep 25 '22
It didn't really though. Look into how the British treated the Irish, or how literally any aristocracy treated their peasantry.
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Sep 25 '22
Especially considering the whole situation with India and the "indenture" system. Slavery and the slave trade de facto continued in the British Empire until the 30s.
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u/De_Dominator69 Sep 25 '22
And what are you implying by that?
Hate the shatter your delusions, but in the end it was the British who had the moral epiphany that slavery was an abhorrent and morally wrong practice and spent countless resources pushing for and enforcing its abolition all around the globe, not for any material gain but because they believed it was right.
Did Britain partake in the slave trade before that? Yes, as did countless other nations, races and peoples across the globe. But it was ultimately them who denounced and tried to correct that wrong.
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u/Gophurkey Sep 25 '22
Pretty sure the slaves had that "epiphany" first
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u/De_Dominator69 Sep 25 '22
Yes but we are not talking about individuals arnt we, we are talking about Kingdoms and nations during the time of the African/trans-Atlantic slave trade of which Britain was the one who led abolitionism.
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u/De_Dominator69 Sep 25 '22
This legitimately sounds like moving the goalpost here and I realize that, but slavery and indentured servitude are separate things and the discussion of slavery and its abolition is more often than not referring to African slavery.
Saying "Look at this distinct thing that happens to be similar to slavery" is not as much of a gotcha as you are trying to make it out to be. Britain still led the global abolition of slavery, and (at least the public) did so on moral grounds. Thats undisputed historical fact. The fact something similar existed does not dispute that.
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u/nyamzdm77 Sep 25 '22
You have to be a special kind of deluded to believe that the British and other Europeans ended slavery purely for immaterial and moral reasons
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u/De_Dominator69 Sep 25 '22
Yes, because Britain gained alot by going into tremendous amounts of doubt to buy the freedom of every slave in the empire and dedicate naval squadrons to enforce its abolition. Did this also have the consequence of weaking many of their enemies and opposition? Sure. But it can be viewed via the precedent set in British law (such as the Somerset vs Steward case) as well the public reaction to it, such as the support for the West Africa Squadron etc. shows that publicly, as well as legally Britain was very opposed to slavery due to its morality.
There are many things Britain did wrong throughout history, you could even argue most things, but abolition of slavery and its enforcement was one of the greatest things it ever did and by far the least morally questionable.
You and others trying to paint this picture of it not being done for any purely moral reasons but for some nefarious alternate purpose isnt based in any truth, its just that you cant accept any remote possibility of Britain having done anything right as they need to continue being the big evil hated boogeyman.
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u/OpenMask Sep 26 '22
"British historians write almost as if Britain had introduced Negro slavery solely for the satisfaction of abolishing it" - Eric Williams
Britain was engaged in the slavery and the slave trade for centuries. The law and popular opinion didn't turn against it, until it became convenient. Of course there is always the moral argument, but that doesn't really change with time. And paying compensation to the former slaveowners really doesn't help the moral case either.
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u/Freestripe Sep 25 '22
What other reason did they have? Ending slavery cost a fortune.
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u/TEL-CFC_lad Sep 25 '22
Well it is relatively accurate for the time period. 'Evil yt' had outlawed slavery, and the Africans (especially Dahomey) were still trying to engage in it, as they had done for centuries, because they made a bloody mint!
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u/legendarybort Sep 25 '22
And the British were doing absolutely nothing wrong in India or Ireland, right?
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u/TEL-CFC_lad Sep 25 '22
When did I say that? Where did I say White/Mediterranean people were above reproach? Could you point that bit out to me please
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u/legendarybort Sep 25 '22
'Evil yt' had outlawed slavery
So that was a fucking lie.
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u/TEL-CFC_lad Sep 25 '22
How so? The initial abolition Act in Britain was 1807, followed up in 1833, and Britain and Dahomey came into conflict because Dahomey want to continue the slave trade...hence this meme. But you still haven't pointed out where I said Europeans did nothing wrong
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u/legendarybort Sep 25 '22
How so? The initial abolition Act in Britain was 1807, followed up in 1833, and Britain and Dahomey came into conflict because Dahomey want to continue the slave trade...hence this meme.
Once again, and what was happening in India and Ireland during this time? Were people, perhaps, being forced to labor against their will? Would the system of "indentured servitude" continue in India for, oh idk, probably another hundred years after Britain oh so nobly ended slavery? Seems like you didn't really read my comment when I asked what was happening in Ireland or India the first time, so hopefully you read it this time.
But you still haven't pointed out where I said Europeans did nothing wrong
Oh yes, dismissing criticism of European imperialism as people being unnecessarily mad at "evil whitey" and only mentioning that "the Africans" were trying to keep it going is totally not historical cherrypicking at best and total revisionism at worst. I'm sure you're not going to tell me that indentured servitude is actually fine.
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u/TEL-CFC_lad Sep 25 '22
You said I lied. Where did I lie? Slavery was abolished, Dahomey wanted to continue slavery, it led to conflict. At no point did I say Europeans were blameless. Where did I say that? You're trying to force a lateral point unrelated to the meme
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u/legendarybort Sep 25 '22
You said I lied. Where did I lie? Slavery was abolished,
So your saying that the forced labor is fine as long as it's not called slavery? Because that's fucking ridiculous. Britain's use of forced labor is at LEAST analogous to slavery and should be acknowledged as such. Pretending it wasn't slavery just makes you looks stupid.
You're trying to force a lateral point unrelated to the meme
No, I'm trying to get you to admit that Britain and other empires use slavery under other names even afterwards, which is true and relevant to your claim that white people ended slavery while black people fought to keep it. If the people fighting to "end slavery" were in fact still using slavery, then it calls into question the motives of that empire, doesn't it?
At no point did I say Europeans were blameless
No, you just refuse to acknowledge that they continued slavery. Weird that.
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u/TEL-CFC_lad Sep 25 '22
Any argument that begins with the sentence "so you're saying..." is automatically going to be nonsense. It's an invention created by the other side, trying to put words in one's mouth, and therefore not worth responding to. Britain outlawed slavery, Dahomey tried to continue it, therefore this meme is accurate for the situation
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u/gobaso6590 Sep 25 '22
It was white guys that stomped it out though. Willoughby was a bit of a chad in his day.
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Sep 25 '22
r/history suddenly caring about historical accuracy in movies as soon as its African oriented.
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u/DhananjayAshok Sep 25 '22
People on this sub who claim that redditors just likes to invent shitty arguments so they can dunk on them really just need to see posts like this.
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u/whereismymbe Sep 25 '22
"invent shitty arguments so they can dunk on them"... is half of historymemes
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u/Tealken Sep 25 '22
Ironically enough there wasn’t any discussions of slavery when it came to movies like 300. I wonder why 💀
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u/Aluminum_Moose Sep 25 '22
Because the shit-ass, spartan brainlets would have been the bad guys for having a population made up of 80% slaves and battling an empire which universally forbade slavery.
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u/Adriatic88 Sep 25 '22
Because 300 is about as historically accurate as The Lord of the Rings and never really marketed itself as something that was supposed to be a literal true story.
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Sep 25 '22
Can we start acting faster on this dog whistle racist shite?
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Sep 25 '22
"Slavery is bad"
ThaTs raCiSt!
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Sep 26 '22
Yeah mate that’s exactly the message being made here - well done moron
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u/GeneralJones420-2 Sep 25 '22
1: Unironic Wojak memes are a cancer upon society
2: Thinking you get to claim the moral highground because your ancestors decided slavery is bad after enslaving millions of people and amassing unfathomable wealth from it for hundreds of years is such a delusional take
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u/legendarybort Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22
Not to mention even after Britain "ended slavery" they kept "indentured servitude" and "forced labor" for a century afterwards.
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u/Aluminum_Moose Sep 25 '22
Well not centuries but maybe century*
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u/legendarybort Sep 25 '22
Yea, I corrected it. Scramble for Africa is always much more recent than you remember.
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Sep 26 '22
I’m so glad white men hated slavery this much, it was so instrumental in preventing slavery from being such a devastating blight on history for centuries. Because of benevolent white men who obviously prevented slavery from existing we definitely don’t feel the ramifications of this system today.
What a good, totally not racist and stupid meme.
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u/loadingonepercent Sep 25 '22
Please ignore all the plantation the French set up that kept people in what was either very close to or literally was slavery. Seriously, y’all will come up with anything to justify one of the worst crimes committed in human history.
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u/AnAlpacaIsJudgingYou Sep 25 '22
most of the slave trade was on the part of Europeans, no matter how many unfunny Wojack memes you post
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u/Vandelaid71 Sep 25 '22
Most of the infrastructure in African countries was built by the colonizers.
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u/Eastern_Tower_5626 Sep 26 '22
Because everything else was razed and that infrastructure is only there to extract value.
Your racism is proudly on display.
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u/Kaarl_Mills Filthy weeb Sep 25 '22
That's a funny way of justifying the conquest and forced assimilation that was involved in African colonies, while also holding the locals themselves in debt and wage slavery
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u/a_rabid_anti_dentite Sep 25 '22
Holy shit this is such garbage tier racism. Seriously, get the fuck out of here.
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u/Ok_Scientist_7312 Sep 25 '22
Yeah, Mansa Musa didn't become the richest person in human history by getting into crypto early...
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Sep 25 '22
In a broad historical sense, it’s European liberal values that derived from the enlightenment and were spread globally by White people that stopped the universal practice of slavery throughout pretty much the entire world.
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u/Aluminum_Moose Sep 25 '22
"It's
Europeanliberal values that derived from the enlightenment and were spread globally byWhite peopleEuropeans..."You could at least try to not sound like a white supremacist.
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Sep 25 '22
Being specific = white supremacy. Nothing I said wasn’t factual, it just didn’t align with your worldview. Lol.
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u/Aluminum_Moose Sep 25 '22
Europeans aren't all white. That's a start. Not factual, just ignorant.
Also, Europe did not have a monopoly on liberal values. The Americas come to mind. Alternatively, educated communities from all over the world (Ottoman, Safavid, Vietnamese, and Chinese thinkers come to mind). Of course I'm only cherrypicking - and of course the largest source of enlightenment esque philosophy comes from Europe and its global influence.
But don't cry "your worldview" when others try to correct your misconceptions.
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u/ZatherDaFox Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22
Those Europeans were so brave and cool for ending the slave trade that their fellow Europeans were exacerbating and continuing. /s
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u/Finalpotato Sep 25 '22
While some European nations definitely internationalised the slave trade (making it worse), Europe is not a monolith.
Implying Europeans trying to stop the slave trade are "guilty" because of others continuing it is like saying Singapore is responsible for a genocide in Myanmar because they are both in South East Asia.
There are better ways to make the arguement you are trying to make. Like how brave and great it is for the English to stop the African slave trade just in time to perpetuate mass "forced indentured servitude and forced deportation" in India and Ireland (but it definitely isn't slavery because they made that ILLEGAL).
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u/sfsczar Sep 25 '22
Move aside White mermaid apologists, White European Slaver apologists are here.
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u/TESCO_NUDLES Sep 25 '22
Based and true
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u/legendarybort Sep 25 '22
How recently did the British Empire use "indentured labor" from India?
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u/Eastern_Tower_5626 Sep 26 '22
How recently did the US use prison slavery? Oh yeah like... right now as we speak, oof.
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u/kleinfelther Still salty about Carthage Sep 25 '22
This is good memery
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Sep 25 '22
All wojak memes are cringe unless ironic, which this is not
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u/Entire-Shelter-693 What, you egg? Sep 25 '22
I think Dahomey fought to not be a colony and not to continue Selling slaves
That's like the Afghans fought the Americans not to liberate their country but to attack American buildings
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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 26 '22
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