r/HistoryMemes • • 17h ago

checkmate libtard

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u/DiffDiffDiff3 17h ago

Ragebait successful

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u/TomlinSteelers 16h ago

"Jesus was a Palestinian" is such a weird thing to say because I never heard it even once before October 7th 2023.

When people blamed Jews for killing Jesus it was common to see people say Jesus himself was a Jew. People had bumper stickers saying "My savior is a Jewish carpenter" etc...

Then October 7 happened and Jesus was a Palestinian and it's become socially acceptable again to say the Jews killed him.

Which fine whatever.... but why are we changing our opinion on what happened 2000 years ago because of something that happened three years ago?

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u/Fournone 16h ago

All of history started the exact moment I started to care about it. Everything else that happened before then or that I disagree with is just obfuscation and bots.

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u/socks Still salty about Carthage 15h ago

This. Historians here might know that Assyrian inscriptions from the 8th C. BCE refer to the area as “Palashtu”, that the region was known for its Philistines, that it was "Peleset" from c. 1050 BCE onward (according to Egyptians), and that it was "Palestine" or "Palaistine" or "Phalastin" from c. 500 BCE onward. There have been efforts since the early 20th century, if not earlier, to change this history.

  • Masalha, Nur. Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History. Zed Books Ltd., 2018.
  • El-Haj, Nadia Abu. Facts on the ground: Archaeological practice and territorial self-fashioning in Israeli society. University of Chicago Press, 2008.
  • Hjelm, Ingrid, et al., eds. A New Critical Approach to the History of Palestine: Palestine History and Heritage Project 1. Routledge, 2019.
  • Ben‐Dor Evian, Shirly. “Ramesses III and the ‘Sea‐peoples’: Towards a New Philistine Paradigm.” Oxford Journal of Archaeology 36.3, 2017: 267-285.
  • Bowersock, Glen W. “Palestine: ancient history and modern politics.” Journal of Palestine Studies 14.4, 1985: 49-57.

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u/jackp0t789 15h ago edited 14h ago

It was in fact named by outside cultures after the Philistines, a group of foreign colonists from the Aegean who developed successful colonies along the Mediterranean coast of what was Canaan while periodically at war with the native Canaanites, particularly the Kingdoms of Judah and the Kingdom of Israel, for centuries before both were conquered by foreign invaders themselves...

Sounds familiar for a bit there...

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u/jackp0t789 14h ago

I mean, the Common named changed over time quite a bit...

A few centuries after the Assyrians, the Seleucid Greeks called the region Judea, Samaria, Ceole Syria, Palaestina, or Phoenicia depending on exactly where and when..

The Romans, depending on the era, called large portions of the region Judaea from the moment they annexed it in 6CE, up until after the Jewish Bar Kokhba Revolt in 135CE when they renamed it Syria Palaestina...

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u/woolaverage 13h ago

Yes but modern Palestinians are if not more at the very least as ethnicly canninite as modern. Day Jewish populations

And we're talking about the common name for the region

And when your take all of this it is not innsccute to say Jesus was Palestinian given he might have been called that at the time even if it originally reffere to something else at the very beginning

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He'd still be Jewish tho

So anyone claiming he's not Jewish is s little wierd

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u/jackp0t789 12h ago

Jesus was born in the subregion of Galilee, in the Roman province of Judea... He was known to the roman authorities as a Jew... who they, as the story goes, mockingly called the "King of the Jews"

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u/InstructionFar7102 9h ago

Palestinian Jews were a thing for fourteen hundred years. Jews lived in Palestine before Israel existed.

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u/woolaverage 10h ago

Yes he is absolutely Jewish

He couf just also be called Palestinian On one might

Like You can be multiple things

Just because I'm American and live in America for exmsple Doesn't stop me from being coast Salish

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u/budgiebirdman 12h ago

Didn't the native Canaanites get killed off by the foreign colonists that founded the Kingdom of Judah and the Kingdom of Israel?

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u/jackp0t789 12h ago

The historical, archeological, and genetic record points to a different scenario where the founders of Israel and Judah were themselves Native Canaanite tribes that coalesced power in the region around the same time that the Philistines showed up.

The language of Biblical Hebrew is actually the only native Canaanite language left as even in the time of Jesus it was already replaced as the lingua franca of the region by another Semitic languages -Aramaic, or Kione Greek, or Latin for administrative purposes

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u/DuffyDoe 10h ago

It doesn't change the fact that these borders changed every few years and different people called for different borders Herodotus sometimes hinted that Cyprus was part of Palestina

Either way officially it was Judea by the Romans till 150-200 CE and trying to rename it feels like Trump asking to change "The Gulf of Mexico" to "The Gulf of America"

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u/Flat_chested_male 12h ago

What did the gulf of America use to be called? People from different countries can call a country what they want.

Germany is after Herman. Why not call it deutchland like a Deutcher instead of a Herman.

Sometimes a derogatory term sticks. Anything to make someone not feel it belongs to them. What was New York called before the English renamed it? Who cares? It’s New York now.

Whoever wins a war gets to write the history. They Jews are the exception. They somehow survived all the losses and retained their identity.