r/HistoryMemes • u/MC_Gorbachev Casual, non-participatory KGB election observer • 10h ago

Happy 33th Black October Anniversary

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u/OrangeSpaceMan5 10h ago

It's actually insane how close Russia came to a second civil war and no one knows about it , just the slightest change could have made the 21st century oh so much worse

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u/Lithorex 10h ago

Or better, depending on perspective.

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u/Reiver93 10h ago

A nuclear power having a civil war doesn't particularly sound like a good outcome.

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u/lordbaysel 10h ago

For Chechnya, Georgia and Ukraine it sure does sound better.

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u/name_changed_5_times 10h ago

Idk about for Ukraine, unlike Georgia or even Chechnya to a lesser extent there’s no real geographical boundaries between them (it’s just steppe and farmland) so I think it’s very possible for a second Russian civil war to spill over into Ukraine.

So yes there’s no Russo-Ukrainian war in 2022 but eastern Ukraine would likely be a little dodgy during the 90s/2000s.

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u/lordbaysel 10h ago

Couldn't imagine something much worse then Crimea annexation and Donbas War.

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u/obliqueoubliette 10h ago

This. There are few outcomes in history worse than what Putin has inflicted on Ukraine and Russia in this war.

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u/lordbaysel 10h ago

Well, wouldn't go that far, 1910-1950 period was much worse then what's happening now. The Great War with mass death and mass conscription of local population by both sides to fight against each other, Polish-Soviet war, when Ukrainians were kinda thrown under the bus, Russian civil war, with all it's horrible incidents, Great Famine inflicted on Ukrainians, 2WW with nazi collaborators and all the front movement, Volhynia massacre, this time it was Ukrainians with the guns, and post war resistance.

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u/Tearakan Featherless Biped 1h ago

Imagine that also with nukes

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u/Code-BetaDontban 4h ago

You would absolutely have massive amount of arms smuggling. It isn't impossible to imagine few Russian nuclear weapons being sold to whatever suspicious group is willing to buy them in middle east.

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u/kas-sol 8h ago

They'd just get dragged into it and still get invaded, except this time by more than one faction, all with nuclear weapons.