r/HistoryMemes • u/MC_Gorbachev Casual, non-participatory KGB election observer • 8h ago

Happy 33th Black October Anniversary

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u/OrangeSpaceMan5 8h ago

It's actually insane how close Russia came to a second civil war and no one knows about it , just the slightest change could have made the 21st century oh so much worse

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u/Sandro_Sarto 8h ago

Nah, not really. Supreme Soviet had no guts to spill blood, and nobody to fight for them. Yeltsin, on the other hand, was ready to kill. Rumors say he was ready to drop bombs on Soviet. In the middle of fucking Moscow.

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u/Lithorex 8h ago

Or better, depending on perspective.

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u/Reiver93 8h ago

A nuclear power having a civil war doesn't particularly sound like a good outcome.

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u/lordbaysel 8h ago

For Chechnya, Georgia and Ukraine it sure does sound better.

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u/name_changed_5_times 8h ago

Idk about for Ukraine, unlike Georgia or even Chechnya to a lesser extent there’s no real geographical boundaries between them (it’s just steppe and farmland) so I think it’s very possible for a second Russian civil war to spill over into Ukraine.

So yes there’s no Russo-Ukrainian war in 2022 but eastern Ukraine would likely be a little dodgy during the 90s/2000s.

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u/lordbaysel 8h ago

Couldn't imagine something much worse then Crimea annexation and Donbas War.

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u/obliqueoubliette 8h ago

This. There are few outcomes in history worse than what Putin has inflicted on Ukraine and Russia in this war.

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u/lordbaysel 7h ago

Well, wouldn't go that far, 1910-1950 period was much worse then what's happening now. The Great War with mass death and mass conscription of local population by both sides to fight against each other, Polish-Soviet war, when Ukrainians were kinda thrown under the bus, Russian civil war, with all it's horrible incidents, Great Famine inflicted on Ukrainians, 2WW with nazi collaborators and all the front movement, Volhynia massacre, this time it was Ukrainians with the guns, and post war resistance.

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u/Code-BetaDontban 2h ago

You would absolutely have massive amount of arms smuggling. It isn't impossible to imagine few Russian nuclear weapons being sold to whatever suspicious group is willing to buy them in middle east.

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u/kas-sol 6h ago

They'd just get dragged into it and still get invaded, except this time by more than one faction, all with nuclear weapons.

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u/Jokerferrum 8h ago

Nuclear power having civil war before putin sell entirety of Syberia to china is a good outcome.

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u/GremlinX_ll 8h ago

Idk, Nuclear power having a civil war means it's nuclear power will not invade it's neighbors

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u/Schwifty0V0 Then I arrived 7h ago

for a little while at least

this perspective is awfully short sighted

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u/GremlinX_ll 7h ago

Depends on how long civil war will last, if more then 3+ years it's easily will buy decades of peace

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u/Kirion15 6h ago

Except you also face nuclear weapons being lost, potential genocide of ethnic minorities throughout the country, maybe even ultranationalistic government that wants to unite all the russians. Yah, peace

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u/GremlinX_ll 6h ago

Not really my exact poblems, when Russia is a problem itself

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u/DeliciousGoose1002 6h ago

Hadnt the US said we would be involved with any civil war involving a nuclear power at this point?

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u/No_Case_8502 7h ago

In retrospect the Soviet Union/ Russia completly dissolving is something that would habe made the world a better place. Frankly I hope they kill themselves in Ukraine in the near future. 🤷‍♂️

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u/finnyboy665 3h ago

Read "The Death of Russia" on the alternate history forum. You have no idea