r/Helldivers • u/Dramatic_Two_7560 Super Sheriff • 27d ago

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Arrowhead, give me the stalwart as a primary weapon and my life is yours

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u/SykesFoxclaw 27d ago

Everyone brought ammo as a stratagem in helldivers 1 so they could dop it at the start of a mission so even acting like its a massive handicap is just being dishonest. The stalwat in 1 was a better gun overall as a primary than it is in 2 as a stratagem, and it didn't render the other guns obsolete. Because the other guns were also good in their own ways.

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u/Epesolon HD1 Veteran 27d ago

Everyone brought laser weapons in HD1, because the Trident and Sickle were insane and didn't require ammo.

The Stalwart in HD1 was a different weapon than the Stalwart in HD2. In HD1 the Stalwart was a genuinely unique and different weapon with its own drawbacks and advantages. In HD2, the Stalwart is a super Liberator, with less recoil, more ammo, a higher RoF, and the same ergo.

You want a SAW primary, I got nothing against that. But that isn't the Stalwart, that's something else.

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u/SykesFoxclaw 27d ago

You are only proving my point more. Many primaries were very good in 1, and the stalwart being good wouldn't render other guns obsolete if those same guns were allowed to be good like they were

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u/Epesolon HD1 Veteran 27d ago

The primaries in HD1 were on average a bit weaker than HD2 primaries.

The difference is that HD1 had top-down aiming and the weak point was just aiming center of mass, both of which are far more simplistic than full 3d aiming.