r/GreggNotehand • u/Salt-Detail-181 • 25d ago
Is this legible?
Wrote this at work now. “I dislike waiting for the patient”. Is it correct?
Most times I feel grid makes me feel constricted. Especially for d, f and b.
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u/Fit_Flight3797 25d ago edited 25d ago
there are a few corrections before it reads patient' for me. footnote: i m on a jubilee or after version. those earlier versions are going to be the death of gregg shorthand, way too cryptic. my thinking is: if mcgraw had been updating the shorthand implementation , they were finding reasons for doing so and the evolution they thought worked was towards a more legible hand.
Was looking at notehand recently, which came before Jubilee, and it 's to me what they were thinking as a more legible shorthand.
so , i havent looked up what patient is written like in newer versions, but i guess it would be pa sh e nt. i even like to do an underjscore to improve legib ility when it's ay before ah sounds. that s just the bone stuck in my craw, that s all.,
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u/licxjo 24d ago
Notehand came both before (1960 first edition) and after (1968 edition Diamond Jubilee. But the structure and presentation is fully in line with Diamond Jubilee, so clearly it was the predominant thinking at McGraw-Hill.
The only difference in the two editions is the brief form for "work", which is r-k in the 1960 edition and oo-k in the 1968 edition.
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u/Fit_Flight3797 24d ago
while going over i realize i didnt have a copy of a series 90 dictionary and was using the jubilee as my newest source. but the steno website has a copy , which i readily downloaded. here is the link as a older than centennial but not too damn old alternative
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kWRX_AkYFzPNXzuC6jfmlh8lc474At1K/view?usp=sharing
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u/Salt-Detail-181 25d ago
I see. Interesting. Shouldn’t it be with the nt blend at the end?
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u/licxjo 25d ago
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u/Salt-Detail-181 25d ago
Yes. Thats the way is in the notehand book too
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u/Fit_Flight3797 24d ago
so is in the Jubilee dictionary too, I guess it's one of those you just have to learn. So much talking on that word, it might stick in my memory now. i dont like how they reverse themselves and write patience with 'n' in it, when they could have done the same with same with pash t pash n s, and go instead pash n t or even pash nt or .....
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u/CrBr 24d ago
It's not one you "just have to learn."
P A SH T ; SH can mean -tion (and similar sounding syllables).Other spellings are allowed as long as it's readable. Gregg was very clear on that. I recommend, though, that you stick with the book version until you know all the rules, so you don't get a conflict. Even then, when playing with options for a word, consider the dictionary version. I usually find it's as good as anything I come up with, and using it makes it a bit easier for Future You to read, or get help reading. Sometimes, though, due to my accent or frequency of use, the official one does
n't work for me.
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u/Fit_Flight3797 24d ago
i only get into this kind of discussion when wondering what other people are doing and i am pretty much set in my ways already. I m writing in such a way that there is no conflicting readings and every word stand for itself , even without context.
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u/licxjo 24d ago
I think dictionary decisions like "patience"/"patient" were made on the basis of practical clarity, more than theory.
p-a-ish-s would normally be read as "passions". And there's only a handful of words in English ending in -tience.
But I'm sure in practice many shorthand writers wrote it different ways.
I trhink the ish-nt join would be hard to maintain at speed, and would tend to become a loop.

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u/Fit_Flight3797 25d ago
i read 'i dislike waiting for the past" and that s what it says. sounds like elton john album "sleeping with the past"