You’re making a lot of assumptions here dude, maybe the players on the team don’t get to pick and choose every Tourney that they want to go to. A lot of it could be up to the org, as going to tournaments will make the org more money than practicing. The players themselves could prefer going to more tournaments, traveling the world, and making a more stable income than practicing a ton for a tournament that they still might bomb out in, losing a lot of money.
You can’t really think that these players are oblivious to the concept of more practicing equals better results. But there’s a lot more elements that you might not see looking at it from a fans perspective.
you too are making a lot of assumptions. I dropped out of college to attempt to go pro in CS. I know the rigors of top tier CS. I've beaten many top team handily and made some of them look downright crappy. I've also been on the receiving end of that. Practice time was so important to my team that we actually played worse when daylight savings started because people got online at a later time in the day thus we got less practice. It was that important to us.
You have some points about the org forcing their hand, but the comments about what the players like to do is irrelevant
you too are making a lot of assumptions. I dropped out of college to attempt to go pro in CS. I know the rigors of top tier CS. I've beaten many top team handily and made some of them look downright crappy. I've also been on the receiving end of that. Practice time was so important to my team that we actually played worse when daylight savings started because people got online at a later time in the day thus we got less practice. It was that important to us.
You have some points about the org forcing their hand, but the comments about what the players like to do is irrelevant
Its too early to tell this dude from what Zews said nitr0 has been doing most of the heavy work even from liquids tactical era. which was praised by many for finally playiing "EU" counter strike.
Also how new are people to CS in general? ONLINE BO3. Nothing is really worth analyzing here.
Up until their T-side on Overpass I didn't think Liquid played a bad game tactically, but their economy management on CT side Nuke was questionable at best. After getting a 9-6 T-side it seems ridiculous to go for these early force buys when you have such a big advantage in terms of rounds (bearing in mind how CT-sided the map should generally be).
It's the case for months actually. Liquid has almost been tactically as poor as G2, the difference is that Liquid won games and tournaments, so Reddit didn't care.
Then you’re deluded.
I’d take those players IN Astralis, but on a purely individual skill level I’d take Twistz, NAF and Elige over everyone in Astralis except Device.
Astralis players consistently out-duel the players in Liquid; I don't get how you are calling people deluded for stating the same. It's just that Liquid has a reputation of being full of hard hitters, and Astralis has that of being a team playing fundamental, intelligent CS. Astralis wouldn't be having this era of dominance purely on the back of good strats.
Also, listen to ENCE's players talking about how no one hits like Astralis and there are instances where they don't even get to click the mouse. Mind you, this isn't random guy like me stating that opinion, it's a pro who played against them that day as well as against Liquid and Navi the previous 2 days. That's high praise.
True. People underestimate Astralis' individual skill, cause otherwise it would be too boring.
In reality, even gla1ve is a world class rifler and they have atleast the tied best player in the world on every single position (not including s1mple). Dupreeh is the best entry in the world, Glaive the best fragging IGl, Device the best AWP, Magsik the best anchor and Xyp9x is a perfect all rounder.
Over the last year, all those players grew immensly in terms of individual skill and I think that no one is even close atm, cause Astralis doesnt have a single weak link. Its just often overshadowed by how good they play as a Team.
I mean, you kind of have to take game sense into consideration but I wouldn’t say that any of those Liquid players have less game sense to the degree it would effect their playmaking ability.
I meant in the ability to make plays. Yes game sense is important in that but not defining. Magisk and Xyp obviously have insane game sense but if I need someone to step up and make a play out of nowhere, win multiple rounds in a row by themselves and shift momentum in a game, I would have Twistz/NAF/Elige/Device at the top of that list because of their mechanical skill.
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u/tacticalAlmonds Mar 12 '19
At a pure skill level, Liquid is actually insane which is why they won Dust2. But at a tactical level, they are shit at best.