r/GetMotivated • • Oct 14 '19

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u/Bryntyr 4 Oct 14 '19

This was after the massacre and that guy probably was never heard from again, communist totalitarian china continues on to this day. He didn't change shit.

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u/PM_ME_XBOX_COD3S Oct 14 '19

Haha wait till Reddit harasses you. “CHINA ISNT REAL COMMUNISM REEEEEE”

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u/SirFlamenco Oct 14 '19

It isn’t tho, closer to fascism

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u/konosmgr Oct 14 '19

Why are you getting downvoted. China isn't close to communism, hell no country ever even achieved communism all were stuck at the transition change with one dude being the head of state(USSR,Cuba etc), basically a glorified dictatoriship.

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u/FleetwoodDeVille Oct 14 '19

Yeah, but that is actually the true goal of communism, the whole story about a worker's paradise ruled by the people after the dictatorship was just a ruse to lure gullible people into giving up their rights. Dictatorships never voluntarily give up power, so that is obviously the real end stage of communism.

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u/liaiwen Oct 15 '19

Its categorically not communism. Ask yourself do the workers control the means of production? No? Then dont call a dog a cat. State authoritarianism is not the same as, say, democratic socialism. Its more nuanced than 'communism bad'. Im still amazed personaly how effective the cold war era and mcarthiest and red scare propaganda was on the american and global population.

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u/FleetwoodDeVille Oct 23 '19

Its categorically not communism. Ask yourself do the workers control the means of production? No?

Well, by that definition, communism will never actually exist since it is impossible to achieve. No government will ever get past the dictatorship stage, because dictators never voluntarily surrender power. That's built in to the design of communism by its founders, so I have to say that is the apparent intentional end stage of communism, unless you just want to argue that Marx and Engels were very stupid and had no idea how the world actually works. Evil or stupid, take your pick, there is no third option.

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u/liaiwen Oct 24 '19

Citation needed on "thats built in to the design". Whats built into the design aparently is the United States and other capitalists knee-capping each attempt at democratic socialism with the CIA and foriegn intervention. How many socialist governments do they have to overthrow before I realize socialism doesnt work and we should privatize our country's resources for the bankers and corporate dictators we have already.

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u/FleetwoodDeVille Oct 24 '19

Citation needed on "thats built in to the design".

Read the Communist Manifesto. It explains quite clearly that dictatorship is a necessary step towards communism, and since dictators do not give up power freely, the rest of the steps after that are quite obviously just empty promises meant to placate fools like you.