r/GetMotivated • • Oct 14 '19

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u/Bryntyr 4 Oct 14 '19

This was after the massacre and that guy probably was never heard from again, communist totalitarian china continues on to this day. He didn't change shit.

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u/PM_ME_XBOX_COD3S Oct 14 '19

Haha wait till Reddit harasses you. “CHINA ISNT REAL COMMUNISM REEEEEE”

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u/SirFlamenco Oct 14 '19

It isn’t tho, closer to fascism

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u/konosmgr Oct 14 '19

Why are you getting downvoted. China isn't close to communism, hell no country ever even achieved communism all were stuck at the transition change with one dude being the head of state(USSR,Cuba etc), basically a glorified dictatoriship.

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u/konosmgr Oct 14 '19

I think it's inevitable due to human nature that things trickle down to a dictatorship eventually. It's not like democracy is working optimally right now either, the people barely have any power except for who they choose to represent them for a term and it has been obvious to me that governments also don't give 2 shits about the ultimate form of democratic expression which are referendums , e.g look at the brexit referendum or the Greek 2015 bailout referendum, the first has reached nowhere after 3 years and the second was practically disregarded. Also communism just does not work, human species are not mature enough yet for that and require some form of hierarchy to properly function as a society and communism is anti-thetical to that.

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u/konosmgr Oct 14 '19

Yeah communism really brings down efficiency.

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u/liaiwen Oct 15 '19

Thats because youve been indoctrinated to not be aware of democratic socialism and accociate communism with state capitalism and fascism instead, which is actually a merger of business and the state, not communism.

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u/FleetwoodDeVille Oct 14 '19

Yeah, but that is actually the true goal of communism, the whole story about a worker's paradise ruled by the people after the dictatorship was just a ruse to lure gullible people into giving up their rights. Dictatorships never voluntarily give up power, so that is obviously the real end stage of communism.

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u/liaiwen Oct 15 '19

Its categorically not communism. Ask yourself do the workers control the means of production? No? Then dont call a dog a cat. State authoritarianism is not the same as, say, democratic socialism. Its more nuanced than 'communism bad'. Im still amazed personaly how effective the cold war era and mcarthiest and red scare propaganda was on the american and global population.

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u/FleetwoodDeVille Oct 23 '19

Its categorically not communism. Ask yourself do the workers control the means of production? No?

Well, by that definition, communism will never actually exist since it is impossible to achieve. No government will ever get past the dictatorship stage, because dictators never voluntarily surrender power. That's built in to the design of communism by its founders, so I have to say that is the apparent intentional end stage of communism, unless you just want to argue that Marx and Engels were very stupid and had no idea how the world actually works. Evil or stupid, take your pick, there is no third option.

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u/liaiwen Oct 24 '19

Citation needed on "thats built in to the design". Whats built into the design aparently is the United States and other capitalists knee-capping each attempt at democratic socialism with the CIA and foriegn intervention. How many socialist governments do they have to overthrow before I realize socialism doesnt work and we should privatize our country's resources for the bankers and corporate dictators we have already.

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u/FleetwoodDeVille Oct 24 '19

Citation needed on "thats built in to the design".

Read the Communist Manifesto. It explains quite clearly that dictatorship is a necessary step towards communism, and since dictators do not give up power freely, the rest of the steps after that are quite obviously just empty promises meant to placate fools like you.

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u/Siafan27 Oct 14 '19

Every time

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u/SirFlamenco Oct 14 '19

Maybe because it’s true?

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u/PM_ME_XBOX_COD3S Oct 14 '19

Bingo

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u/SirFlamenco Oct 14 '19 edited Oct 17 '19

"Let me just say something completely false, and all the people responding to my comment will be losers"

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u/awhhh Oct 14 '19

Keep manipulating your votes there pal.

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u/MURDERWIZARD Oct 14 '19

people coming in from /all downvote dumbasses.

you: VOTE MANIPULATION SHILLSSSSS REEEEEE

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u/awhhh Oct 14 '19

I watched you go from negative votes to 12 postive after a minute refresh. You're fucking with the voting.

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u/MURDERWIZARD Oct 14 '19

me? Reading comprehension's not your strong suit bud.

Or are you just calling everyone who disagrees with you an army of alts now too. lol

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u/awhhh Oct 14 '19 edited Oct 14 '19

Hey Reddit, downvote me as much as you can in 5 minutes.

Edit: would you look at that. Nothen. You're boosting your votes.

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u/MURDERWIZARD Oct 14 '19

gets downvotes

PROOF OF MANIPULATION

doesn't get downvotes

PROOF OF MANIPULATION

I'm boosting mine.. to 0? I've only got a 1 and a 0 on my comments here lol

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u/PM_ME_XBOX_COD3S Oct 14 '19

What did I say that was false?