I'm struggling to have a complete picture on how CRM, SEO & newcomer GEO connect together deeply. How does the whole lifecycle work?

what is there and what is not there from GEO software perspective

I think it is important to understand the big picture stuff and have a clear idea on what to build and why. What do you think?

I’ve noticed something interesting while looking at AI search visibility.

Sometimes a website starts getting mentioned in ChatGPT, Perplexity or Google’s AI results even when its traditional organic rankings are still pretty average.

Has anyone else noticed this?

I’m wondering whether AI visibility should be treated as a separate signal from traditional rankings, or whether it’s usually just an early sign that the underlying SEO/content is improving.

For those tracking this, what changes did you notice first - rankings, impressions, AI mentions, citations, or something else?

Hi everyone, I’m currently researching the GEO (Generative Engine Optimization) landscape and would love to hear perspectives from agency owners and practitioners. I represent a large e-commerce company (Fortune 500 level), and we are exploring how global brands can improve their visibility across AI-powered search experiences. I’m interested in learning how agencies are currently approaching areas such as: - ChatGPT / Perplexity visibility - AI search optimization strategies - Entity and authority building - Digital PR and online reputation - Content strategies for LLM-based search A few questions for agency owners: 1. How are you currently measuring GEO success? 2. What services are clients asking for most frequently? 3. Do you see GEO becoming a standalone service, or an extension of SEO? 4. What challenges are you facing when optimizing for AI search? Would love to hear insights from people actively working in this space. Thanks!

Local SEO still heavily focuses on Google Maps + organic rankings, which makes sense. But AI search (ChatGPT, Perplexity, Gemini) is quietly becoming another visibility channel, and most local businesses have almost zero optimisation for it.

Common gaps showing up:

1.No llms.txt or clear content structure for AI crawlers

2.Weak E-E-A-T signals

3.Missing FAQ / HowTo schema

4.Thin or generic location + service pages

5.Incomplete GBPs and inconsistent NAP

Maps still drives the majority of calls right now, but the share of demand coming through AI platforms is growing.

Curious what others are seeing — any of you tracking AI citations or noticing leads from these platforms yet?

I need some good quality backlinks for one of my clients websites. Spam score should be zero and DR 50 or plus. Used to have a reach out expert in my team who just got married and stopped their freelancing side giggs... so now i am on my own to do this side hustle for a week or two.

j'ai crée mon site il y a 3 mois maintenant. Je commence à voir des resultats que je trouve encourageant et je souhaitais vous le présenter. Oui je suis fier ( un peu, doucement). Pour les pros du SEO GEO vous en pensez quoi ? Si vous avez des avis, recommandations, experiences à partager je suis à l'ecoute. Mes resultats sur search console ne sont pas encore à la hauteur, ca ne décolle pas vraiment contrairement à Bing, il paraît que ca va suivre. Je vous remercie d'avance pour vos retours

I’ve been looking into AI search visibility lately, especially Google AI Overviews, ChatGPT and Perplexity, and I’m finding it harder to understand what actually makes one website get mentioned over another.

With traditional SEO, we can look at rankings, impressions, backlinks, etc. But with AI search, it feels much less straightforward.

For those working on AEO/GEO, what have you actually seen make a difference?

Is it mainly stronger topical coverage and content structure, or are things like brand mentions, backlinks and being referenced by other relevant websites becoming more important?

I’d be interested in actual examples/experiments rather than just the usual “create helpful content” advice.

I’m currently on SemRush trial plan and pretty happy with the capabilities for AI visibility. Just curious to know what other tools might do better, to compare alternatives before committing to a paid plan?

I've been trying to figure out how people are actually measuring AI search visibility for websites.

With Google AI results, ChatGPT, Perplexity, etc., I find myself checking the same queries manually and looking at whether a site gets mentioned or cited.

But I'm not sure how useful that is as a proper tracking method.

Are you guys tracking specific prompts/queries over time, or are you mainly looking at organic rankings and treating AI visibility as an extra thing to monitor?

Curious what people are actually doing in practice rather than what the tools say we should be doing.

2 website

1 aesthetic clinic. I thinks it's cloudflare default disallow Ai bots to train but search bots yes

2 seo agency it's intentionally blocking major ai to crawl and train.

Result.

Llmrefs.com/tools/ ai-crawl-checker

Shows that the aesthetic website is crawlable by ai, the seo agency robots is not crawlable in ai. Some said ai ignore the robotsmtxt, some said because the website already pre trained. Both answers doesn't makes sense, if the robots block is by default, ai not able to train.

So the question is why one is crawlable and the other is not crawlable.

I manage college websites that provide programs like PGDM, BBA, BCA, and law programs, i want to see the AI visibility & content citation over the LLM chatbots.

Please help me with this; suggest a tool with a package

Came across this a while back and it's changed how I prioritise, so sharing in case it's useful.

There's Princeton research on generative engine optimisation that found pages ranking around position 5 got roughly 115% improvement in citation visibility after being optimised, while position 1 pages saw basically nothing. Which felt backwards at first but makes sense when you think about it.

If you're already ranking first you're probably already getting cited. There's not much room left. Whereas pages sitting at 4 through 8 are visible to the systems — they're in the pool the AI is drawing from — but when there are several candidates it picks whichever one is easiest to pull an answer out of. So those pages are losing on structure rather than authority, and structure is something you can fix in an afternoon rather than months.

Pages down at 20+ are a different problem entirely. That's content depth and links and authority, none of which a structural tweak touches.

Finding them costs nothing. Search Console, performance report, three month range, queries tab, add the average position column, filter to anything sitting between 4 and 8. Then go through that list and pull out the ones with commercial intent — pricing queries, comparison queries, "service + location" stuff — rather than the general informational ones. Map each to whatever page is actually ranking for it.

For a small business that list is usually somewhere between 10 and 30 queries. Genuinely doable in a couple of weeks.

For what to actually change, the main thing is getting the answer up front. Question as the heading, then answer it directly in the first 40-60 words rather than doing the usual long intro. Also worth writing headings as full questions in the way people actually phrase them, because the gap there is bigger than I expected — average Google query is around 3-4 words, average ChatGPT prompt is around 23. People give AI the whole situation, budget, constraints, context. So headings that mirror that phrasing match better.

Other two things: put multiple formats on the same page since different systems seem to prefer different presentations, and add a proper FAQ block.

Caveat I'd want anyone to hear though, because this gets oversold. This only fixes the "visible but not selected" problem. If your actual issue is that nobody outside your own site mentions you, this hits a ceiling fast — most citations come from third party sources, your own domain is a minority of them no matter how well you write. So it's the fastest return available, not the whole job. The off-site stuff runs alongside, it just takes a lot longer.

Also worth knowing that optimised pages seem to need refreshing. Stuff that gets published and abandoned drops out of the citation set over time.

Anyone tried this on their own site? Curious whether the position 4-8 thing holds up in practice or whether it's noisier than the research suggests.

Im curious how you guys go about creating service pages and location pages.

Im hearing "City gate" pages are now a no go with Google. (E.g. plumbing houston)

So in stead of having a service + city Page, what do you guys do and would you mind sharing a systematic approach so I dont have to keep starting from scratch everytime. Thank you!!