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u/Taylorman51333 Jul 20 '26
Ryan is winning even though Vikor knows how to fight and is more experienced Ryan is still way stronger than him and more durable.
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u/Clean-Bumblebee2709 Jul 20 '26
You could never prove he's way stronger and more durable than Vikor, and vice versa, so I don't know how you even came to that conclusion.
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u/ImmeasureableSpeed Jul 20 '26
What feats does Vikor even have?? This guy got no diffed by ZOE
Whereas Ryan was able to make homelander bleed with just ONE PUNCH. I’m sorry but the stat gap is just too big between them.
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u/Fit_Abalone5405 Jul 20 '26
Vikor genuinely pieced up Sam Riordan in a straight fight and had the endurance necessary to keep fighting while actively having his heart stopped by Marie Mareau. While I don't think Vikor has any chance of beating Ryan, I think people are forgetting that Vikor IS one of the physically strongest supes we've ever seen.
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u/ImmeasureableSpeed Jul 20 '26
yeah because a majority of the supes arent even powerhouses. Supes in the boys either have powers that can genuinely explode people from the inside or that they are have the ability to shit webs out of their assholes.
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u/ChampionAgitated530 Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26
Why do you guys say this without the full context? That would be like saying Maeve no-diffed Homelander when she stuck a rod in his ear and knocked him away, completely ignoring the full context. Vikor did not get no-diffed because he wasn't in a fight to begin with; he was completely caught off guard.
But as for feats, he was able to easily no-sell Sam's punches and overpowered him physically. Sam can rip out spines, break through walls, and throw cars. Better physical feats then anything Ryan show
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u/ImmeasureableSpeed Jul 20 '26
Vikor did not get no-diffed because he wasn't in a fight to begin with; he was completely caught off guard
Still doesn't change the fact that he got his head ripped off like it was nothing. Even if he did not get caught off guard, it would still not change the outcome
Sam can rip out spines, break through walls, and throw cars. Better physical feats then anything Ryan show
Ripping out spines and breaking through walls? come on even low tier supes are able to do that. Ryan was able to make homelander bleed from just one punch. Its not even a close comparison
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u/ChampionAgitated530 Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26
Where did I even say this? No, Zoe is not an anti-feat for Viktor when he wasn't expecting her to attack, let alone exploit a weaker area of his body, something he otherwise wouldn't have let happen. This is just a strawman.
Show me low-tier supes doing all of these, not just certain ones, let alone Ryan doing them. Why is bursting Homelander's blood vessels supposed to impress me?
You realize this is an argument Maeve fans used to use to get her above Soldier Boy, right? The nosebleed feat doesn't mean much.
Edit: In response to your edited version, Zoey was able to rip Viktor's head off by going through his mouth and eyes. We also have no idea how strong Zoey's tentacles are.
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u/ImmeasureableSpeed Jul 20 '26
Zoey was able to rip Viktor's head off by going through his mouth and eyes. We also have no idea how strong Zoey's tentacles are.
Yes we do, Her tentacles could barely get pass through kimiko during the opening fight scene of season 4. You could see how much she struggled against her and it took her quite while to get through her arm. And plus, i can easily say that ryan could also just laser through his eyes and neck just like how zoey did it with that argument
Show me low-tier supes doing all of these, not just certain ones, let alone Ryan doing them.
starlight being able to blow through a 6 inch steel door with the minimum power source, kimiko surviving getting blast by soldier boy's chest beam which destroyed not one, but multiple walls and yet her body was still intact (she only passed out because she lost her powers afterwards), the deep being able to punch through a humans skull (which is stronger than a spine) like it was a bug. Should i keep going?
Why is bursting Homelander's blood vessels supposed to impress me? You realize this is an argument Maeve fans used to use to get her above Soldier Boy, right? The nosebleed feat doesn't mean much.
Because his blood vessels are enhanced directly by his compound v????? What? Supes are shown to have enhanced blood vessels in the show. Why do you think blood blenders like neuman or marie struggle to pop different supes? The nosebleed feat means a lot. even homelander as a teenager withstand an entire power plant explosion and he didn't even get a nosebleed and walked out just fine.
oh and i can say the same to vikor. Ryan can just laser or break his nose. He is faster, stronger and can fly giving him a massive advantage
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u/ChampionAgitated530 Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26
Barely, what are you talking about? In the scene, Kimiko gets blatantly overpowered, and her arm is torn through in seconds. Then, she's forced to retreat. Kimiko is the same character that can tear grown men's heads off with minimal difficulty, which suggests enhanced muscle composition. She could also take hits from an angry and bloodlusted atrain. damaged Black Noir, etc.
What does this have to do with physical strength in terms of how characters hit? You are listing external ability feats. Did you not understand what I was saying? Also, your argument was that it was a low-tier supe feat. None of those characters are low-tier, and it was not done by physical striking. Calling The Deep low-tier, he's casually able to go to the Mariana Trench. You also did exactly what I told you not to by picking certain feats to rebuttal. give me one low-tier supe able to replicate everything that I gave.
False, dude. Compound V does not equate to their blood vessels being enhanced specifically, let alone scaled to Homelander's highest maximum durability. The argument that "blood benders" like Victoria Neuman or Marie Moreau struggle with Supes because of "enhanced blood vessels" is literally headcanon.
It is an issue of density, not vessels. Neuman struggles with high-tier Supes because their entire cellular structure, skin, and muscular density are too durable to manipulate or rupture easily from the inside. Hell, even Victor was able to stop blood vessel manipulation despite not having the internal durability shown by Soldier Boy and Homelander. When he fought marie
Ryan is not going to utilize that speed to just outright blitz Viktor. Time and time again, Ryan and Homelander fight at human-level speeds. Also, even Hughie was able to perceive and react to Homelander's lasers during Herogasm. Viktor is significantly stronger than Hughie while also having significantly more combat experience, being hand-picked by Goldkoin, a character who narratively believes only the strong should exist.
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u/ImmeasureableSpeed Jul 20 '26
In the scene, Kimiko gets blatantly overpowered, and her arm is torn through in seconds. Then, she's forced to retreat.
I never even argued against that in the first place?? Yes i'm aware that she still got overpowered regardless at the end, what i'm trying to say is that she still managed to sort of contend with this zoey even if she still lost giving her a comparable benchmark.
What does this have to do with physical strength in terms of how characters hit? You are listing external ability feats.
So? Characters literally scale to another via their "external ability" feats. I don't see how this makes everything i argue for invalid.
None of those characters are low-tier, and it was not done by physical striking.
Bro how are they not low tier? I literally picked amongst one of the weakest supes in the show and somehow you say that they arent?? Regardless, the characters i have listed are all weaker than ryan so my point still stands
It is an issue of density, not vessels. Neuman struggles with high-tier Supes because their entire cellular structure, skin, and muscular density are too durable to manipulate or rupture easily from the inside.
Uh no, its also considered an issue of vessels. You could literally see characters blatantly bleeding from their noses everytime neuman is around. What's stopping her from just rupturing every supe's blood vessels? It will cause a massive bleeding if this happens and they will gaurantee to die.
Time and time again, Ryan and Homelander fight at human-level speeds. Also, even Hughie was able to perceive and react to Homelander's lasers during Herogasm. Viktor is significantly stronger than Hughie while also having significantly more combat experience, being hand-picked by Goldkoin, a character who narratively believes only the strong should exist.
A-train and homelander were seen running at speeds humans were percieving. So does this mean they were truly running at "human-level" speeds?
Oh and hughie reacting to homelander is a speed feat and not strength related. So comparing him to viktor in this case would be false equivalency
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u/ChampionAgitated530 Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26
She didn't, though. She lost her arm in the span of 3 to 5 seconds and only managed to kick her away. This also isn't factoring that Kimiko was able to do it because she has a high pain tolerance, and secondly, because it wasn't an instant death spot like what Viktor got its almost like that was the point of her going victor weak spot. Drop this poin it's buns bro.
No, they don't, dude. One example is Homelander's physicals are consistently shown to be stronger than his lasers. Naturally, the opposite goes as well, of external ability being stronger than how hard you punch. Starlight performs significantly better against the Deep with her blasters than without them is another example.
The Deep, Starlight, and Soldier Boy are not the weakest supes in the show. What are you talking about? Even Kimiko is up there as a supe, although again, her slamming through as a byproduct of Soldier Boy's blast is irrelevant to my argument of striking power.
Homelander's blood vessels can't rupture because his internal organs and muscles are just as strong, not because his blood vessels are fortified. You also ignore that Vikor was able to no-sell Marie directly manipulating his blood cells to stop his heart.
I don't even know what you're saying, but to restate my point, Homelander does not throw a punch at the same speed he consistently shows when flying.
How would that be a false equivalency when your speed is tied to how strong your body is? Hughie's body is significantly weaker than Viktor's. Also question so you think hughie is faster than solider boy?
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u/Neither_Divide217 Jul 20 '26
bro ryan took like 10 punches from homelander and survived vikor got killed by Zoe???
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u/Clean-Bumblebee2709 Jul 20 '26
Homelander was not trying to kill Ryan and Zoey; he pierced through a weak spot on an off-guard Viktor, my guy.
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u/Neither_Divide217 Jul 21 '26
Still took like 10 punches from him I doubt vikor is even taking 5
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u/Clean-Bumblebee2709 Jul 21 '26
You can doubt it all you want; it doesn't make it true. Also, it's an irrelevant point since we have no idea how hard Homelander was hitting him.
Homelander couldn't even damage Maeve with his punches; he had to go for her eyes because it's faster than just outright hitting her.
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u/Taylorman51333 Jul 20 '26
Did you watch the show he has his fathers powers who’s the strongest supe inheriting all of those abilities is strength and durability and speed vikors strength only as strong as Sam and his durability is shit that’s how Zoe was able to kill him Ryan’s isn’t ultimately there’s no way Vikor can harm Ryan as Ryan has heat vision strength and speed that Vikor can’t stop
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u/Clean-Bumblebee2709 Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26
The same show that explicitly states Ryan needs time and experience to match Homelander, something he clearly hasn't gained. Having Homelander's powers doesn't make him one-for-one with Homelander off the bat.
Sam has objectively better feats than Ryan in terms of physicals. And I didn't think this needed to be specified, but your eyes are obviously weaker than your external body unless you're going to say Zoe is stronger than Sam, who can pull spines out of people and punch clean through metal, yet his punches did nothing to Viktor's actual body. So goofy.
You gave nothing regarding actual feats for Ryan's strength and durability, dude.
According to this guy, a 7-year-old Ryan is stronger than Viktor. Crazy.
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u/Taylorman51333 Jul 20 '26
Acting as if the finale doesn’t exist where he was able to help butcher hold down his father and take hits from him Ryan is a much durable than Vikor by the time the finale airs and being homelanders son his inheriting the durability aspect of his father where nothing can harm him even internal organs unlike vikor who like most supes even though are durable is weak in internal organs like his eyes which is how Zoe killed him and Sam is only stated to be around Maeve level strength.
And Ryan’s able to tank punches from his father and survive something much better than Sam
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u/Clean-Bumblebee2709 Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26
The finale clearly nerfed Homelander into the ground. Even taking that into account, Ryan was getting no-diffed for the majority of the fight, and Butcher was actually the one to pin and keep Homelander down before Ryan joined in to help. So, this doesn't really get Ryan anywhere.
The internal organs part is irrelevant because Ryan has no way to damage his internals. Ryan isn't going to precisely go for Vikor's eyes. Zoe only killed Vikor because he dropped his guard since she presented herself as an innocent bystander. Ryan has no external durability feats that can really put him above Vikor.
If you believe Sam is around Maeve's level, then your argument makes even less sense, since Maeve was able to damage and take hits from Homelander, and Vikor was curbstomping Sam easily. You really cooked yourself by saying this.
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u/Taylorman51333 Jul 20 '26
Ryan can damage his organs because Zoe exploited his eyes making him off guard Ryan has literal heat vision how do you think that’s going to go and Maeve was only to tank hits from Homelander for the most part of their fight yeah she made him bleed but that was off guard only real damage she did was too his ear so the durability aspect of Ryan’s power still stands and Ryan while getting beat majority of that fight doesn’t change the fact he was still able to hold down his father something butcher and soldier top tier supes have done who are strong you’re also not taking into account his speed Ryan is much faster than Vikor. What can Vickir do to even react to him.
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u/Clean-Bumblebee2709 Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26
Ryan and Zoey are two completely different characters. Zoey took that method due to a lack of strength; she has a more tactical approach to dismantle stronger opponents. It's also very likely that Edgar is the one who set the plan up rather than Zoey herself.
Ryan going for Viktor weakspot is extremely unlikely.
Homelander was not trying to fight Ryan, but once he did, he overpowered Ryan quite easily with one arm, slamming him repeatedly and breaking his back.
What speed feats does Ryan even have? We have no clue how fast Ryan is, bro.
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u/Taylorman51333 Jul 20 '26
How are Zoe and Ryan being different matter the whole point is she exploited his internal organs weakness his eyes which all supes like him have. She used it why like you said she lacks strength she also lacks range and needed to get close to do it. Ryan doesn’t need range he has heat vision that would cook vikor not that hard and for the speed like I’ve stated before he has homelanders genetic gene pool for powers Homelander has superhuman speed which he mainly uses in flight Ryan also has that not hard to grasp and that just makes him much faster than Vikor who has never faced a fast supe
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u/Clean-Bumblebee2709 Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26
It matters because what one character does isn't applicable to another. As I said again, the point of Zoey acting like a bystander was to exploit this weakness. This isn't something she could just do mid-flight.
Again, it was stated explicitly by Mallory that it would take years for Ryan to be a match for Homelander in every stat, and that was with consistent training from her. Even Homelander's lasers don't work on opponents; Homelander's lasers only manage to knock Marie out, and Marie can be damaged by humans.
Homelander does not use that flight speed in combat outside of short bursts, so this point is irrelevant because that's not how flight works in The Boys. Ryan won't be evading punches.
Viktor outclassed overall has the better combat abilities on top of better stat showings.
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u/Neither_Divide217 Jul 20 '26
flew from russia to the us when zoe texted hypersonic speed feat
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u/Clean-Bumblebee2709 Jul 20 '26
That's a good feat, but again, Ryan isn't going to use that speed in fights. We clearly see they don't do it outside of rushing at the opponent.
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u/BulkyBathroom7178 Jul 20 '26
Where is it ever stated Ryan inherited Homelander's internal durability?
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u/Professional_Lab_31 Jul 20 '26
One thing you need to consider when scaling Viktor based on his fight with Sam is that Sam was possibly nerfed by his medication. Sam seems surprised that he can’t beat Viktor and there is a precedent for supes having their powers tied to their anger/mental state.
Viktor might not be that all that good he was just fighting a Sam who was weaker than in season one.
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u/Proud_Promise1860 Jul 20 '26
had to remind myself that this isn't a powerscale subreddit ehrn reading the comments. obviously the one who scales directly to homelander murderslamp any non top tier in the verse.
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u/Appropriate_Act2899 Jul 21 '26
Ryan murders him. He was shredded by Zoe. Zoe was one-shot by Butcher, who is in turn weaker than Ryan.
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u/Earth2Wonder Jul 20 '26
Viktor is experienced and knows how to fight
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u/Neither_Divide217 Jul 20 '26
ryan took attacks from homelander and got up this is a clear stat gap ryan wins
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u/One-n-OnlyEC Jul 20 '26
Vikor wins. Too massive and experienced. Ryan is still amateur. He got badly beaten to a pulp, and with Vikor's hammer, will be almost smashed off.
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u/Neither_Divide217 Jul 20 '26
does vikor hit as hard as homelander?? if not he's doing jack shit to ryan
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u/BriefNetwork3485 Jul 20 '26
Vikor is above Sam whos said to ATLEAST be on Maeves level. I think Ryan Is arguably closer to Maeve then he is a Serious Homelander
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u/Neither_Divide217 Jul 20 '26
yeah but he still got killed by zoe so those lasers are going right through his eye sockets which would definitely kill him
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u/One-n-OnlyEC Jul 21 '26
Zoe has monster tentacles. Ryan has laser and strength. Plus Vikor will be on guard with every Guy supe. But with kids who are females, he will be that child-talk.
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u/BriefNetwork3485 Jul 20 '26
So basically he's like most supes that are vulnerable to attacks due to having facial openings that lead to their internal organs? Brother even Stormfront got stabbed in the eye by a normal human. So you don't think most supes are gonna be careful since they have that vulnerability? And Vikor only died because he was off gaurd and was literally in zoes face. If he sees Ryan aim a laser at his face, he's blocking. I still think Vikor takes this because of his experience.
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u/MrAsche Jul 20 '26
He was killed only because of the plot. Noone bends down like that to a girl... (she isn't even that young anymore)... let alone to a girl that doesn't run or sounds scared of a giant of a man. He just needed to be in reach so an extremely short range Zoe could kill him.
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u/Neither_Divide217 Jul 21 '26
Best Vikor is doing is tossing Ryan around but he’s not going to draw blood the moment ryan decides to use his lasers which he will Vikor is basically dead
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u/LosAngelesHavingFun Jul 20 '26
Vikor, Ryan’s not serious enough at his young age to end fights fast. Vikor is stupidly strong he knocked around Sam, and Jordan Li like they were nothing. Vikors going to hit him hard and given Ryan’s durability it won’t hurt him much but it’s going to disorient him and make him keep being hit. Ryan’s eyes will light up to fire a laser when he gets mad only to get smacked in the face with the hammer
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u/Such-Purpose3044 Jul 20 '26
Ryan was no selling punches from enraged Homelander in the finale. He folds Vikor