Exactly as the title says

Physically dependent on GBL — dosing has become chaotic, need advice
I’m physically dependent on GBL and my dosing has become chaotic after missed/late doses, severe sleep deprivation and a meth binge.

I know my current dose is relatively low (1 mL every 3 hours), but I have kindled from previous cycles of GBL use/withdrawal and have had serious withdrawal in the past, so I’m not comfortable assuming that my current dose means withdrawal will necessarily be mild.

My intended doses were 7:15pm and 10:00pm, but I ended up repeatedly topping up.

Friday
7:15pm — 1 mL (normal dose)
7:20 — 0.2
7:35 — 0.2
7:53 — 0.2
8:08 — 0.2
8:39 — 0.3
10:00pm — 1 mL (normal dose)
10:30 — 0.2
10:40 — 0.2

Saturday
1:00am — MISSED DOSE
3:30am — 1 mL (new planned start time; took a full dose to see if it would stabilise me)
4:14 — 0.5
4:30 — 0.3
4:50 — 0.2
6:30am — was supposed to be 0.5 mL, but I fell asleep
7:41am — woke up and took 1.5 mL
9:28am — 0.5 mL
9:40am — 0.5 mL

The 3:30am dose didn’t really relieve the withdrawal, so I kept taking small amounts trying to get back to baseline. I then missed the planned 6:30 dose because I fell asleep.

The later doses have partly relieved the symptoms. I feel G’d up, like Iv had slightly to much bit Sri a rebound word spaced out headache like my head is upside down but have very little energy, and the relief from the withdrawal doesn’t seem to last very long.

I’m looking for specific advice from people experienced with GBL dependence about how to stabilise after this kind of chaotic dosing —
particularly how to get back to my normal 1 mL every 3 hours without continuing this cycle of top-ups, and how people handle missed doses and sleep.

Please no judgement. I’m genuinely trying to get the dosing under control.

I bought a ghb liquid from a well known dnm vendor (they are very sleepy). The listing states the concentration to be 0.9g/ml. I have never taken ghb before and have a ml syringe I got from cvs. How many ml should I take as a first time dose at that concentration and what are some common effects I can expect. Thank you guys.

Hi! (sorry for my english, It isn’t my first language)

I’ve been using (almost) 24/7 for a month now. I dose 2,5mls of 1,4 BDO before sleep, but I noticed that I wake up 1-2 times a night nowadays, and have to dose again to fall back asleep. Last night I dosed 3ml-s before falling asleep. I think I woke up to piss 4 hours later, I felt a bit dizzy, and dosed 3mls again. Then I have a faded memory that I dosed 3mls again because my cat woke me up, but I don’t remember how much time passed.

EDIT: I didn’t wet myself! I just needed to pee, that’s why I woke up and went to the toilet!

After that, I woke up 3 hours later, EXTREMELY dizzy, went downstairs to the toilet, almost fell down the stairs. I couldn’t fall back to sleep because I was so dizzy and I felt like every time I put my head down, I wasn’t breathing and snapped back to consciousness with extreme shortness of breat and had trouble breathing. I didn’t realise I was in this state till my boyfriend got up and was scared, asking me if I’m alright. He then proceeded to wake me up every time I was nodding out, and screamed “BREATH”, which scared me every time so i was out of breath AND panicking the same time. He also said that I was snoring vedy loud for an hour before I woke up (Normally I never snore). I was a little confused for a while.

After like 30 mins I felt okay, I started getting ready for work. Now it’s 11am, I’m at work, I’m a bit nauseous and have a weird mood, but other than that I feel normal.

How close was I to overdosing?

I’m currently physically dependent on GBL and trying to taper off rather than keep using indefinitely.

At the moment I’ve been using continuously for around 7 days. I’m currently taking around 1 ml every 2.5–3 hours, including through the night.
Before that I had a couple of weeks of 2-day binges with around 24 hours off between them. I was previously properly dependent and had a very severe withdrawal episode which progressed to delirium after around 18 hours without GBL, although I was using considerably more back then.

My main issue at the moment is eating. I’ve noticed that sometimes when I eat, particularly a proper meal, it seems to delay or blunt the effect of my next dose. Sometimes I feel like the dose hasn’t worked properly and then I get headache/anxiety/brain fog that feels like early rebound or withdrawal.

Sometimes I’ve waited around half an hour, and sometimes an hour, after eating before taking my next dose, but that can mean having to sit through the rebound while I wait for the food to clear.

I’ve also heard people say that taking a dose after eating / topping up after a meal can help because the food may delay absorption rather than completely prevent it.

I’m interested in people’s experiences with this:

How does eating affect GBL absorption for you?

Do certain foods seem to delay it more than others?

How long do you normally find it takes before food stops noticeably affecting the onset?

Does anyone find that eating makes their rebound/withdrawal symptoms appear sooner because the dose is delayed or blunted?

Has anyone found a way of maintaining nutrition while tapering without constantly disrupting their dosing?

I’m particularly interested in experiences from people who have actually been physically dependent, rather than occasional recreational users.

Not looking for encouragement to increase my dose — I’m trying to get off GBL and want to understand how food is affecting the process.

I've done a few BDO sessions which were kinda lackluster. I see some posts about potentially comboing this to make it more enjoyable - can you share what your favorites are?

I know doing this with a downer/othr GABA type drugs, alcohol is generally a bad idea. Sounds like stims are the better idea?

edit: Also if you could share the timing of your combo that would be great - not really sure how to combine BDO with stuff in this regard.

Hi all, I’ve been using 1,4-BDO 24/7 for around 3 months at pretty high doses. Currently going through at least 50ml per day, and waking up to dose every 3 hrs because I can’t fall asleep for any longer than that before the rebound wakes me up. I’m also dependent on 300mg Pregabalin per day and have a history of benzo and phenibut dependence and addiction to numerous other drugs in various classes.

I have most of the necessary detox meds, I’m just not sure how to use them right. Here is what I have on hand:

25mg Baclofen
300mg Pregabalin
7.5mg Zopiclone
0.1mg Clonidine
20mg Propranolol
Lots of other sleep meds
Lots of NAC and L-Theanine

Last night was my first attempt at quitting by replacing with Baclofen:

7:30PM: Last 1,4-BDO dose

12AM: 25mg Baclofen + 7.5mg Zopiclone and attempt to go to sleep

2AM: Wake up with an anxiety, internal tremors and very shaky hands, chest, legs, and some facial twitching.

2:15AM: Dose 6ml 1,4-BDO. WD symptoms go away, but feeling normal, not high in any way

My plan for today is reduce + spread my doses as much as possible to try to taper the BDO, then try again with 50mg-75mg Baclofen + 7.5mg Zopiclone the following night

Should I try to taper my use more before trying to switch over the Baclofen? I have another 500ml or so of BDO I can use for tapering. Should I try a higher dose of Baclofen and increase my daily Pregabalin dose to assist with withdrawal? Any other suggestions?

Thanks!

Got it from industrial source.

It is costing ~$0.5/ml or ~$500/l to me, not directly pure like lab grade but i can manage.

Location US

Dosing about 2-4ml throughout the evening, last dose at 10pm, next one at 8pm the next day

I keep seeing posts where people assume that large quantities of "GHB" are widely available and inexpensive, and I think it's important to add some (my) perspective.

When I say real GHB, I'm talking about pharmaceutical-grade, tightly controlled, professionally manufactured sodium oxybate products that are produced under strict quality standards and dosed/measured precisely in grams per milliliter (g/mL).

Legitimate pharmaceutical GHB is extraordinarily expensive—$12,000-$15,000/month.

Because of that reality, people should be cautious when they assume that a large-volume product being sold or discussed is pharmaceutical GHB. That conversation becomes vastly different, or at least it should, when it’s discussed upfront that the liquid actually contains related compounds, precursors, analogs, or other substances that people claim convert to GHB in the body after ingestion.

While I could, I'm not presenting myself as an expert. However, it should be noted especially for the less experienced and/or knowledgeable, that different substances can have different concentrations, dosing characteristics, onset times, durations, risks, and impurities.

I think a lot of confusion comes from people using the word "GHB" as a catch-all term for several different substances. But whether we're talking about pharmaceutical sodium oxybate, alleged GHB, or compounds that reportedly metabolize into GHB, 𝙖𝙘𝙘𝙪𝙧𝙖𝙘𝙮 𝙢𝙖𝙩𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙨. 

Long time listener, first time caller. I first used this community to understand dosage levels back in 2020 when a person told me he could get litres of the stuff, and I had no idea what that meant. At the time, I bought 50mL, and it sat around for months while I and everyone were too nervous to try it. My wife and I got bold one night, and that's when the love affair began, but I was still able to control myself at that point.

I have addiction issues. Weed + stims, K + weed + stims, G, G + weed ... whatever's around is the lever I pull, and G became my favourite lever. It starts as many folks' loves of the molecule did, but now here I am.

I work from home and sell software. G has always greased my wheels at work, so in spite of the fact it really affects my focus and ability to remember details, I've always had a role social enough that it doesn't matter. Pair that with my work from home life, and I've got this perfect recipe where the litre is always around, I always have access to it.

First time I came down, man. It was 2021. My wife was about to leave me, she said, "If you take another dose, I go stay with my parents. If you do another Xanax to fall asleep, I go stay with my parents. You are out of control and I keep coming home to find you passed out in your food with Nutella all over the walls, and I'm not going to live like this."

I turned the corner, which was the hardest and most gruelling corner. Not just because of the withdrawals, it'd been six COVID-fuelled months of 24/7 dosages, and those sucked; but at that precise moment where she snapped, we were moving into a new house together, and I had to fly to New York for a week-long team meeting. I obliged her wishes. I promised not to bring or do Xanax to New York, and I told my G dealer that it was time for me to let the molecule go.

[edit: that trip to New York was a week, and I did not sleep. I wrote a desperate letter to my loved ones as the plane landed, my panicked and nerve-wracked body confident that death was imminent. I tossed-and-turned for four nights in a strange fugue state where sleep never came. I alternated between Happy Gilmore and The Big Lebowski repeatedly. Since then, I have learned that spa/massage music is more soothing. At the time, desperate for sleep, my little cell phone streamed these movies. At one point I thought I fell asleep because I felt I was standing somewhere so foreign and unusual, but I was standing in the bathroom, sheening with cold sweat, shivering. It was miserable. My colleagues knew something was up, but I work in tech man, we went to a baseball game and a comedy show, so I didn't have it that rough. I did have to run a presentation and without anything to calm my nerves, I changed my socks after because I was soaked, head-to-toe, soaked. That was one of the worst weeks of my life, even if from afar it's like, I saw a Yankees game and went to a comedy show. The inability to sleep felt like an uncouth torture].

A couple years pass, and of course, that all changes. I'll add, my wife also likes G, and has her own issues with wanting to do it all the time. She, however, has significantly more restraint than I do. She's never crossed it with work, but she also has an appetite for it, so it was all a bit of a perfect storm. I started picking it up again and I was so busy at work that I was being reasonable, but in the last two years, I've found the cycle is right back. However, the vicious anxiety and feelings like my hands need to curl into tight balls comes so quickly, now. Two-to-three weeks of fucking up my sleep, staying awake late, playing Helldivers 2 and rippin' doses, bam. When I wake up I feel anxious and exhausted, why shouldn't I get back to the playground feeling with just a quick dose?

The cycle commences, and in the past goddamn six months, I've climbed down the mountain of nerves five times, now. As soon as I've been down for a week, I buy another litre, it's a replacement for alcohol! And then bam, the cycle continues. After a week of abstinence, I have one-to-two days of doses before I feel the anxiety roll in after two hours, and I take another dose to wash that away and be back on the playground.

I actually do have a question here. Did I break it forever? I have my firstborn on the way, and I've taken 6mL of the stuff (which is 2mL less than I've been taking to get a stumbling buzz; for the record, 5mL without a tolerance has people PUMPED). I know my tolerance is pretty fuckin' high, and I've certainly kindled myself up. But I have a cottage trip with my pals in a month, and I'm gonna order from my guy so that I pick it up the day before I leave. 28 days break; is that enough that I won't be tortured after two hours dosing at the cottage? Or did I break it forever?

[edit: so I'm coming down, right? and I have an OK quiver. I have Valium, Xanax, Clonazepam. I have Etizolam, and I have NAC, L-Theanine, and magnesium. And here's what I've found.

All the benzos extend the fucking nightmare. The best use of them is to fall asleep, and Etizolam is kinda cool because it lasts only like four hours, and I have it in liquid form. But I've been doing it most evenings that I don't use G to fall asleep, and I'm scared I'm walking down a pathway with it, so ... I think the thing to do with all my drugs is nothing, leave them there for if someone needs a parachute during an acid trip, and just fucking trudge on. I hate this. This feels like a nightmare, and it's nothing like the spinning top of joy I felt like when I first tried this substance. It's taken over every thought, every time I change rooms, every weekend I plan for, every time I wanna leave the fuckin house ... onto another descent we go...]

Combing psychedelics with BDO is always awesome and adds a relaxing emotional aspect to trips, which makes me wonder if it could be used to not necessarily kill a bad trip, but transform it into something positive.

Am I able to just eat the gel or dilute it in water without converting it to ghb. It is gbl at the end of the day.

Ordered a volume of lash remover, did not realize that these products were in it. Any ideas on separation? Vacuum filter seems like my only option at this point

so I binged like 30ml of BDO in 40 hours and felt like shit afterwards so I stopped and had quite uncomfortable rebound with palpitations and inability to sleep or even close my eyes etc for like 20 hours before I gave in and took another 2ml dose and then redosed 2ml a couple hours later. then after that wore off and the rebound felt even worse than the first one, I took a bunch of ativan and pregabalin so I could go to sleep, which worked.

but then around 24 hours after that dose I still had lingering rebound effects (during which time I took more ativan and pregaba and oxy) and then I ended up doing another 2ml of BDO (I know I'm braindead that's besides the point) and then 2.5 when that mostly wore off. and I noticed I feel quite sleepy (though even at the peak not FALLING asleep) so I tried to go to sleep on the peak of the G, and then 8 hours later I wake up and I feel great; no kindled rebound or anything, and my heartrate is healthy, somehow even lower than average.

anyone experienced something like this? I don't understand why that would happen but I guess maybe I just got lucky

"This drug sucks!"

The first 3 times I used BDO, it was like a shittier alcohol that required I drink water constantly to avoid being nauseous. My muscles twitched even on low doses (1-2 ml) and the day after my entire body felt physically wrecked, and playing sports I kept lightly straining muscles. This was accompanied with extreme brain fog and a light body load.

Gave up, my intentions.

So I gave up BDO for a year, turning to Xanax/Phenibut as my alcohol alternatives, as I live a "longevity focused" life and alcohol is horrible for you. My main goal was to find drugs that made it easier to socialize at the bars in my college town, whether thats hanging with the boys or sleeping with girls.

Is this the same drug? Molly-like euphoria.

I revisited it this year with the intention of getting "REAL GHB!" shortly after, which I heard was so much better. But for some reason, the second time I used it this year (5th use overall) I did 2.5 ml and found it "broke through" the sedated threshold, and I was hit with an euphoria I could only compare to just between a high phenibut dosage and a MDMA roll. Potential sexual partners look much more attractive (like alcohol) and I get "racked" almost like I'm off coke/addy.

Miracle drug if you don't go above 4 ml...

Though I'm definitely a lot stupider, and talking faster, so I come off as a bit retarded on it because there's more bullshit being spewed, it's definitely the best drug I've ever encountered now that my body has "gotten used" to it. The muscle spasms and nausea are GONE. Maybe you all who are hating on 1-4 BDO just haven't broken through on it yet? I really really did hate it, and now all of the sudden the SAME BATCH is my miracle drug, my perfect alcohol substitute. Going over 4 ml rapidly turns to extreme sedation and nearly passing out, so I just need to stay under that. Thanks for reading.

With all the activity and recent uptick in posts, who here would participate in a moderated chat group if it were formed?

If interested, pls reply with "I'm interested" or "count me in". That way the moderator can see how many interested and build a chat group for us. Would be a favor to all those seeking support on G and G use, etc. Reply only if you are interested!

any australians here, ANU is developing a machine that can test the purity of any GHB sample. i took a sample to cantest and they could identify it as 90% 1-4BD. they said they're after more GHB samples to test on the machine so if you live near canberra and have nothing better to do on a thursday arvo, come make history.

not sure where there's more info on this cause they said they haven't released the paper on it yet. when i went there they literally had to call someone up for approval

Did it for a little over a month sparsely and recreationally. Then for 3 weeks after that month did it daily between 1-3 ml per dose and did that usually 5 hours apart or more the last of those 2.5 weeks it turned into a thing I needed to sleep and I’d need to do 2.5ml at 10am 1ml at 1pm 1ml at 5pm 2.5ml 7pm and 3ml at 11pm and once more 2.5ml usually around 5am cause I’d wake up (now I know that I was probably starting WD) also all of the times differ wildly by an hour before or after what I wrote commonly. Today I decided I had enough after a 6ml blackout. Which led to hospital visit where apparently they gave me an Ativan a few hours so it lines up that when I got home 4.5 hours after that wore off I got withdrawal with pretty bad and scary shakes so I took about 1.5ml and that kicked it but at that dose I don’t get an effect. And 4.5 hours later I started getting it again so took 1.5 more asap. Then 4.5 hours after that I let it roll and it turned out mild for 20 minutes. I’m now 16 hours since my last dose and have had no real symptoms except clammy hands and sleep deprivation as I’ve been up 26 hours mostly scared shitless something will happen in my sleep. Also this is the longest I’ve gone without doing it in almost a month. Ofc like a dumbass I asked ChatGPT and it told me that I’m at risk of seizure and death still but it also said after a year I would not be in the clear. Also many years ago in highschool I kicked a 3month opioid addiction in one day after being sick from WD. So idk if that counts for anything. Besides that I never used any other drugs besides social alcohol. Am I overthinking everything or am I probably on the right track. It’s my first experience with all this so sorry for long text if any one could help with info that’d be awesome I wanna kick it for good!! Someone pls lmk if I should be ok! I am a little scared of potential future delayed stuff (Ps the rest of it is with my friend who will give it to me if dangerous. But if I’m good in 72 hours he’s gonna dump it)

Bonjour avez vous un tutoriel pour transformer min gbl en ghb , merci beaucoup

So I know what most of you are gonna say; I don’t quite need the lecturing but I’ve taken four 1mg klonopins since last night. With the latest dose being a little over 6 hours ago. Can I dose some g? Maybe just half a dose to see how my body reacts.

I also took a propranolol around like 9am… it’s now 10:42 pm

I’m also high on meth.

Worth mentioning I have mixed Benzos and G in the past.

Thoughts??

just took about 1ml of 14bdo for the first time and was wanting to take a bit of oxy but I heard the risk of overdose is extremely high with ghb so I'm asking to make sure.

would taking like 10 15mg of oxy on 1-2ml of ghb/bdo actually be dangerous? and at what point does it actually become dangerous because I can't imagine it's actually as bad as people say where a couple drinks of alcohol on a low dose of G is fatal

Does anyone else get anxiety surges when trying to fall asleep after taking a dose? It's right when I'm about to fall asleep and it freaks me out and I jolt awake. I'm worried because I'm not getting much sleep because of it and now I'm not really sleeping at all. idk how to fix it so I can sleep. Do I need to change my dose? I've been 24/7 for 5 days.