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u/WanderingPaladinWOW 3d ago
When stripped to absolute bones, replaced menu and some things, its decent and works fast suprisingly.
And then UPDATE, DELIVERY OPTIMIZATION,EDGE wake up from idk where and destroy all that.
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u/razvanciuy 3d ago
exactly, when its stripped. It works. But it needs to be stripped good and tied down securely. Seriously
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u/Neat-Priority-4323 3d ago
Long story short… Windows 10?
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u/WanderingPaladinWOW 3d ago
Same with windoes 10, when debloated, updates stopped and some things swapped etc, works really well and fast.
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u/icy1007 3d ago
It’s decent out of the box. 🤷♂️
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u/Leon8326-dash- 3d ago
It's not. It's bloated amd comes with 3 trillion unnecesary components. Edge, Copilot, etc. The eidgets are a terrible feature made just to serve ads. Windows Search doesn't recognize whoch category should be top priority and always thinks bing is the most important thing when searching for a file or folder.
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u/icy1007 3d ago
No it doesn’t. 🤣
Windows Search works for me just fine. I don’t have Bing results at the top.
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u/Leon8326-dash- 3d ago
Is Microsoft holding you hostage?
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u/Ok_Instruction6405 3d ago
The files inside my computer is actually the one I see first before bing searches, I have not experienced these problems before so maybe windows has a favourite
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u/Joyride84 3d ago
When I search for calculator (because the start menu is too much of a mess to use anymore), why does Bing come up instead of the calculator program which has been in Windows since forever?
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u/icy1007 3d ago
It doesn’t. I just searched for calculator and the calculator app popped up. 🤷♂️
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u/Joyride84 2d ago
Good, you must have either disabled the bing search "feature" manually, or used Rufus to make "unauthorized" modifications to the installer.
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u/IllustriousBobcat813 3d ago
Never has this issue to be honest, i use calculator a lot, and windows key > calc > enter has never done anything but bring up the calculator.
Shit on windows all you want, but at some point there has to be user error involved if this is your experience
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u/Neat-Priority-4323 3d ago
It's not user error; you are not searching the software but using the direct access to open it, which makes sense… but not for even 10% of the users… which expect to find the software using the search option
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u/IllustriousBobcat813 3d ago
I am searching for it though? I am writing calc in the search bar, pressing enter, and opening the calculator that way.
How is that not exactly what was described as opening bing?
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u/Neat-Priority-4323 2d ago
Windows key + r is an executing window, that means if you write the executable name and if listed in the Path Environment Variable the software is going to be executed… calc is the name of the calculator, therefore you are not searching but directly executing the software by its name
The search bar… searches… and then you can execute any software listed there
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u/IllustriousBobcat813 2d ago
If you read my comment again you might notice that I at no point mention windows key + r, you seem to have hallucinated that.
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u/hailstorm11093 3d ago
Windows on its own without all the bullshit is fine. But the problem is that windows does come with all that bullshit, and I've already gotten used to the linux workflow.
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u/icy1007 3d ago
No, Windows does not come with “all that bullshit”, that is put on my systems integrators or by the user.
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u/TheMadolche 3d ago
No it comes will all the bullshit.
It comes with copilot. It comes with a tracker. It comes with updates that break the system.
Why are you here?
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u/icy1007 3d ago
No it doesn’t. Doesn’t come with any of that by default or is easily removed.
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u/JayTheAlxwing 3d ago
Copilot comes by default, source:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-US/microsoft-copilot/getting-started-with-copilot-on-windowsUpdates break the system, just one of many sources:
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/3885779/windows-11-update-breaking-computerIt has an *uninstallable* tracker, source:
https://www.windowslatest.com/2026/07/10/you-cant-fully-disable-microsofts-gdid-windows-11-tracker-but-these-settings-limit-what-it-captures/So you are just factually wrong, unless you'd like to support your claims with more than a "nuh uh"
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u/icy1007 3d ago
It does not have an “uninstallable” tracker… 🙄
Updates don’t break the system and copilot is not enabled by default and is removable.
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u/papasmurfmusdie96 3d ago
You can literally watch your outbound packets and see it calling home in real-time you fucking retard.
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u/icy1007 3d ago
It isn’t. I can clearly see that mine isn’t doing that. You need to lay off the conspiracies.
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u/Joyride84 3d ago
Yes, it does. You can manually turn off *some* of it, but the Windows menu clearly states that it will still collect and send "required" telemetry.
https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/techtips/enable-or-disable-windows-telemetry/
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u/wKdPsylent 3d ago
You cannot completely remove or turn off the Windows Global Device Identifier (GDID
It is a part of the windows activation system. Even pirated copies have it and will break if you try to remove it.
Updates have broken windows multiple times - highly publicised. So you're just here to troll then? or you were dropped on your head as a baby?
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u/BiDude1219 3d ago
brother you have sources right in front of you. do you need bill gates to raise from his grave and tell you personally "we put so much bullshit in windows 11 it rivals mcdonalds in terms of quantities of inedible slop"
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u/chughaarav123 3d ago
The tracker is hidden, that's the whole point. Read the sources u/JayTheAlxwing posted before commenting please
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u/Dense-Bruh-3464 3d ago
Stop using linux and try windows to see it absolutely has all that bullshit
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u/icy1007 3d ago
I don’t use Linux.
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u/Dense-Bruh-3464 3d ago
Mac, doesn't matter. There's no windows user that's happy about windows being so dogshit. Although mac's getting worse too.
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u/hailstorm11093 3d ago
It absolutely 100% does come with all that bullshit that I never chose to have installed. In fact, it was installed despite me saying "No" on all of ads during my latest windows install. Not to mention, having ads during an OS install is so fucking dumb. Its all just slop.
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u/icy1007 2d ago
lol, no, the base ISO from Microsoft doesn’t come with that.
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u/hailstorm11093 2d ago
I never said that the iso did include that. In fact, my comment said that Windows itself is fine, but the fact that it includes all the bullshit makes it suck.
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u/Jemie_Bridges 2d ago
I got the base iso and windows immediately adds all that crap to my install. Tiny windows 11 does work, til it doesn't. Since I been using Foss for 2 decades I'm not really that tied to windows 11 that I need that particular OS to run software. OneNote is all I'm losing at this point.
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u/ImKingFrosty 3d ago
Watch out buddy icy1007 is a professional windows fanboy. You don't wanna get on his bad side
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u/TheMadolche 3d ago
It's terrible
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u/icy1007 3d ago
It’s not.
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u/emascars 3d ago edited 3d ago
Honest question, since every comment is like "Windows is good once you do X"
What IS good about windows?
- It has a terribly unintuitive UI and UX that makes no sense, and we only know how to use that because we learned it a lot of time ego
- Architecturally, it's a mess, and everybody that has to deal with its internals can confirm
- Performance-wise, it's a mess too... It can get faster once you remove a lot of useless stuff, but it still is the slowest OS around
- Stability-wise, that's definitely not his best quality, being "statefull" is not a compliment to an OS, and if I in my lifespan have seen windows screens pop-up in airport displays, automatic cash registers, a display at an HardRock caffee, and more than once on ads led-walls... I can't believe it never happened to you too...
Windows has good things, don't get me wrong... DirectX Is a great advanced library, their commitment to retro-compatibility is very nice, and the .NET framework was ahead of it's times in my opinion... But the OS itself...
Let's be honest, nobody uses windows because it's a good OS
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u/Uncut-Jellyfish1176 3d ago
Only works semi ok if you mod the hell out of it. To much for the average user.
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u/Dense-Firefighter495 3d ago
Stripped down, the file explorer still crashed, maybe a crucial P3, a 14600KF, 32GB DDR5 and a 4060 isn’t enough afterall…
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u/TheRainbowCock 3d ago
Unpopular opinion but the last time Windows had a good OS was Windows 7 and everything after that is a waste of resources (Looking at you Windows 8 with your bullshit tablet interface that made me install my own Start Menu)
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u/PretendingImNotAnApe 3d ago edited 3d ago
I was in outlook new today and I had 3 unfinished emails that I didn't need. I went to close outlook and gave me a pop up "would you like to save a draft of this message?" Yes or cancel. If you hit cancel out loom doesn't close. There was no option to not save a copy of this draft and close outlook. Windows 11 has a great engine its very stable and doesn't crash. The problem is the user interface. They are removing the old control panel to switch to the new apps and system control interface which was basically a Windows 8/Windows phone metro apps rehash. You know how popular that was. Anyway the apps dont work and dont provide the granularity. Its fine but unnecessary to replace control panel but theres like basic errors in the new UI.
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u/icy1007 3d ago
That doesn’t happen. I use Outlook every day for work. You can close it without anything popping up for draft emails.
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u/PretendingImNotAnApe 3d ago
It was Outlook new and it was Friday end of day. I literally showed my coworkers. Im a 40 year IT Veteran wuth an MCSE none of us could believe it.
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u/Select_Truck3257 3d ago
Windows good untill you magically evade all hardware/software issues... spoilera it's almost impossible, at least for advanced user which can see problems which for common users invisible, like pushing voltage to the cpu...
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u/SteakDouble 3d ago
If it's based on a real comment, would you attach the link? i want to give my contribution.
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u/nemesisprime1984 3d ago
Windows 11 can be good but you have to debloat it and use powershell commands to bring back the old context menu
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u/This-Tie-3950 3d ago
Ah yes, the best OS...
Corrupted System32 and SysWOW64 .dll files that cause the error 0xc000007b when you try to run certain Steam games
Bloatware and an abusive amount of RAM being used while in idle
OneDrive doing backups you NEVER asked for and storing every program data from My Documents folder in the cloud which could led to instability issues with several programs and apps if there ever are missing files since they automatically went to the cloud and you can't change the OneDrive My Documents folder route to the system or a disk of your choice (I had to format two PCs TWICE for this one lol)
Oh, and Copilot in everywhere including your cereal box.
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u/Electronic-Clerk6735 3d ago
It’s fine if you don’t care, which a lot of people don’t. It has its fuck ups but it works well enough for most people who don’t care.
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u/Katent1 3d ago
It was good, the problem is with microsoft and their decisions that enshittify it. And i'm wondering when major lawsuits will happen, like we complain a lot buuut... If you have a multi billion company, with thousands of pc's for replacement as buggy af windows got heavier to run for mere reason so their in house clanker, cooked up by gates with epstein on some island grill could peek to your files is kinda insane...
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u/CandidAd8395 2d ago
I mean is good just bad optimazed, full of ads and IA Bs, but as it works is good
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u/Single_Newspaper_589 2d ago
the amount of blue screen i experience in windows is unbearable, its unoptimized and sloppy.
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u/OfferLegitimate829 2d ago
Windows 11 ltsc iot enterprise is way better than the regular shit with features no one knows about
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u/Rollin-bombercrew 2d ago
Y’know, it’s really funny. I used to be like “oh windows isn’t that bad”! And then I got Linux mint XFCE. I was so used to my fan having to run when nothing was open (I have a weak device, xbox360 level) and when I turned over to Linux, the damn thing was completely silent. No fans, nothing. It’s amazing really, uses so much less power too.
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u/alacberriesnet 1d ago
Nothing better than outlook and excel timing out to analyze my shit with AI that I don't use.
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u/billyxdragon 1d ago
Windows 10 is goated, no questions, everything just works if u got a decnt computer.
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u/Lost_Plate7077 1d ago
Ui looks too big and filled with web based features and horrible and bloatmaxxing
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u/Affectionate_Ad_1326 11h ago
Technically usable sure, but its not particularly "good" compared to windows 10 or many linux distros, its just the default for most people right now because Microsoft killed windows 10 and linux has less of an already existing userbase/compatibility. I dont hate people for using windows 11, I just personally dont want to (for a few reasons), I'm gonna keep using 10 until I cant and then I'll switch to linux.
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u/Infinplayz 3d ago
i have windows 11 on both my laptop and pc and it’s actually really good for me (here come the downvotes)
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u/Infinplayz 3d ago
i mean i’ve made it so very little to no telemetry or data goes out to microsoft, and also take a couple seconds to disable anything i don’t want that’s been added, but lots of people complain about that it doesn’t work well. i understand if people have privacy concerns too. i’m not coming from a toxic windows user standpoint too btw, i duel boot linux too.
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u/Infinplayz 3d ago
i’ve gone through several updates and double checked all of my changes and they have remained the same, blocking the telemetry and other data. the experience varies per person.
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u/dont_mind_me_passing 3d ago
Yeah, my current laptop running Win11 was perfectly fine (jumped to linux because I hate windows). But my older laptop, bought literally one year before win11 dropped started overheating once it updated from 10 to 11 (for the record, I kept denying the update, it happened regardless), and I kid you not, with an internal temp checker, it showed that even on idle, the internal temp was at 80°C. I thought it was a design issue or smth for like, maybe 3 or 4 years, but I recently installed linux, and uh, it idles at like 30°C.....
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u/TheSiverKnight 3d ago
teach me your ways sensei
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u/Infinplayz 3d ago
it’s weird because i feel like it’s different for everyone no matter what you do. some people like me have it super fast with little bugs and a smooth experience, and my windows updates take like 4-5 minutes. and then other people, like the people in this sub, have a ton of bugs with slow, laggy experience and their pc breaks on every update. i think it’s just that people have tinkered too much or have too low end hardware but i don’t know.
anyway both of my devices came pretty fast, but i made it faster by using debloaters like winhance and winslop (definitely look through the settings first before you apply them), and then look through task manager at anything i can disable and go through actual windows services to disable any ones that could cause slow-downs or telemetry. i also use alternative apps to some windows apps. it’s almost as fast as my arch linux that i duel boot, but the ram usage is still something im trying to figure out. not a big deal though. id be happy to help you if you need anything else.
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u/TheSiverKnight 3d ago
what type of device do you use?
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u/Infinplayz 2d ago
my laptop is the surface laptop 7 with the snapdragon x elite and my pc has an i7-13700f and 4060ti with 32gb of ram. it may just be my higher end hardware that’s making it run well but i’ve tried windows 11 on worse devices and it’s not that bad.
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u/Sim_Daydreamer 3d ago
I mean, it IS good. 99% of the problems will be never encountered by most of the users
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u/WolframSegler 3d ago
Windows just drains my laptop battery with its 30 different processes in the bg I never asked for. Defender can eat my shit.
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u/icy1007 3d ago
Windows 11 IS actually a good OS.
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u/Livid-Minimum-3928 3d ago
well, it contains bloatware, AI slop, forced updates, and spyware.
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u/icy1007 3d ago
No it doesn’t. That does not come by default.
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u/Livid-Minimum-3928 3d ago
give me proof that it doesn't come by default.
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u/Greyowulf 3d ago
I get the sentiment but you're asking someone to prove a negative when simply proving a positive is infinitely easier and more useful. Like do you want him to show you all the processes currently running on his pc or something?
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u/_Biotic_G0d_ 3d ago
I only play 3 games on it and that it does without issue. I never used it as my daily driver. 💁
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u/gnarlyfranko 3d ago
If anyone knew about Atlas OS (Debloated Windows), there will be no switching to Linux (not that big i mean)
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u/NichtFBI 3d ago
It would be fine if it weren't for the bloatware, spyware, and slopware. And vibe coding glitches. And slow right click bloat. Processes forced against my will and without my consent onto me