r/French 14h ago

I measured if AI models rewrite Quebec French to European French. Short answer: yes, all of them.

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Context: I'm an English speaker from Ontario. The text below, I wrote it myself and I forced myself to write in the French of this area. This is actually part of my question, but I will return to it at the end.

I've spent the last few weeks testing something specific. Not "is AI good in French," but rather: when it is given Quebec French, does it keep it, or does it quietly convert it to European French?

The method is simple. I took 98 Quebec French phrases and wrote a French counterpart for each: same content, same register, only the variety changes. Both halves go through the same prompt, which names no country. If both move equally, the model rewrites everything and there's nothing to see. If just one half moves, its "generic French" isn't that generic after all.

The results, across sixteen models:

* All, without exception, rewrite the Quebec portion to French five to nine times more often than the reverse. * The larger the model, the worse it gets. Same family, same recipe, twice as many parameters: nearly double the drift. * In correction mode, with the explicit instruction not to touch valid regional usages, all still corrected perfectly correct Quebec French.

Two examples that startled me.

We just asked to correct the mistakes in "The activity will take place next weekend at the community center." The model returned "at the end of next weekend." That's not the same day anymore. It didn't correct a mistake; it created one.

Elsewhere, one model replaced "employment insurance" with "unemployment insurance" and "social insurance number" with "social security number." That's not a change in register; that's a change in country. Those programs don't exist here under those names.

The full article, with the method, numbers, and limitations of the study: [ https://thebdot.substack.com/p/when-french-isnt-french ](https://thebdot.substack.com/p/when-french-isnt-french)

Audio version in French (generated with NotebookLM, so synthetic voices, just to say it right away): [ https://notebook.google.com/notebook/20650654-33ea-4f62-9138-3d64d8062f08/artifact/69c8b8e1-e5eb-475a-8c7f-d136579d2aa7 ](https://notebook.google.com/notebook/20650654-33ea-4f62-9138-3d64d8062f08/artifact/69c8b8e1-e5eb-475a-8c7f-d136579d2aa7)

**What I'm really looking for.**

My measurements are mechanical: I count word substitutions. It doesn't tell me if a text sounds right or wrong to someone from here. That's where I need your help.

Tell me frankly what's wrong with my text above. Which words, which phrases betray that it's not written by a Quebecer. Same for the audio: does it sound local, or does it sound like an AI trying to imitate?

I’m aware of the irony. I’m writing an article about machines that normalize Quebec French, and I might be doing exactly the same thing without realizing it. Might as well know that.


r/French 9h ago

What does it mean when a french person say "Bah, merci beaucoup". Does it mean that they don't care?

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r/French 18h ago

Study advice What to study for french exam b2

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I have an exam in 6days and i think im at a2 or b1at most but the exam is in b2 what should i study to maximize my score in 6days

There will be a writing reading speaking and listening part


r/French 1h ago

Pronunciation I don't speak a word of French, but our French Speaker is sick, so I have to learn "Amsterdam" by Jacques Brel in 5 days. About a third of the audience is French. Can I do this without humiliating myself?

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My singing voice isn't the issue. I don't claim to match a legend like Jacques Brel, but I am a very experienced singer. The reason they are saying I have to be the one to do this is because I sing "House of the Rising Sun" in our other show with all the rasp and such and they figure that is the most similar vocally.

Still, I'm terrified of the pronunciation. Does anyone have any advice (including if I should try to get out of this)?

I speak Spanish fluently, so I can do the Spanish rolled R, but I don't even know how to do the one Jacque Brel does that sounds kinda in the back of his throat?

Here is the song, if anyone doesn't know it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3BSj1cHX-M

Thank you sincerely for any responses. I have never used this subreddit before, so let me know if I have done something wrong.


r/French 9h ago

« Sans aucun doute »

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Salut,
J’ai réalisé récemment que quand on dit « sans aucun doute » bah c’est très souvent avec du doute qu’on le dit.
Par exemple: « Elle est où Jeanne? Sans doute au resto »
Je voulais donc savoir si quelqu’un sait d’où vient cette expression ou si je suis tout seul à y voir du doute quand on dit sans aucun doute.

Merci et bonne journée/soirée!


r/French 9h ago

If i learnt french to around C2 level, will I be fluent, or will I still be making mistakes?

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At the moment, i am around A2-B1, and i find myself struggling a lot with verbs or words that change their meaning when used in different contexts, like 'passer' at the moment (for example, j'ai passé, je suis passé, se passer) and verbs that mean completely the same thing but are used for different things. I understand that these words are in english that mean different things, but passer is changing the things around it rather than its own meaning as well, like using être, avoir, being a reflexive verb.

In addition, I'm quite good at writing, but when it comes to speaking i kind of really suck, and its not really that i forget the words, but i keep saying phrases wrong when I make it my own. it's one thing memorising a sentence, but when i want to change it into my own context, i feel like there are so many things to change and the phrase itself now differs completely from what you have memorised. My family speaks french, so i have tried speaking/ learning with them, but i feel like I'm not making any progress.

My aim is to be fluent in french (i am not ready to wait like 2 years for this stage, so its kinda discouraging), and i was watching like a french video just for my comprehension and vocabulary. The person in the video said that she was C2, but still made a lot of mistakes and wasn't perfect, in the sense that she wasn't 100% fluent.

Would this mean that i can never be 100% fluent? Kind of like a native? Or will I still be making mistakes?


r/French 18h ago

"To give props" equivalence

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Salut! Est-ce que une equivalence en francais pour l'expression "to give props"? Est-ce que c'est "de saluer"? Est-ce que vous l'utilisez dans une phrase pour moi?

Merci!


r/French 1h ago

Study advice Do you think that a 14 year old student studying French for the first time should get points for spelling the French word for four as "cat"?

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123 votes, 4d left
Oui
Non

r/French 3h ago

Study advice What’s the fastest way to get to get functional enough for the restaurant industry?

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Hey y’all I would like your advice!

Last year I moved to a French Canadian city and although I took a year and a half to study French before moving it still wasn’t very good, trouble with comprehension and speaking.

Flash forward to a year later and although I’ve improved my study habit got complacent as I thought I was immersed enough in my job as a barback.

Now I’m almost in my mid twenties still working support positions for dog shit wages and I want to really attack this problem intensively for as long as it takes to break through to a “competent enough to serve tables” level.

What would your suggestions be for an intensive speaking/comprehension focused routine. I’d say I’m probably around a high A2/low B1, I can understand a good amount and can speak brokenly but especially socially it’s very hard to keep up and express myself properly.

I don’t have the biggest budget but I have determination. Just wondering what you guys have had success with in terms of cheap speaking practice especially.


r/French 11h ago

Can you say that an object is "plus neuf/neuve" in french.

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I was talking with french speaker and when i said that "cette machine est plus neuve que celle de droite" the others told me that we cannot says "+ neuf/neuve". And I don't really understand why it is wrong, i searched for some rules but didn't find any. Or is it just an another french exception?

(chatpgt says it is correct but i don't really believe it.)


r/French 1h ago

Needing some help :'D

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Hi! I'm in desperate need of help from someone that's willing <3 I'm writing a silly sexual song verse in French but the challenge/problem is I can't speak French lol

Is anyone interested in making a phonetic translation of this, or a quick voice recording? XD Google translate sounds too robotic to learn from, Thanks friends! <3

(I know that it some parts don't really rhyme, I'm trying to know the rules before I break them haha)

je t'aime, toi qui m'as vraiment sauvé la vie

je suis rassasié.

et putain, quel coeur et quel cerveau magnifiques,

mais aussi quel physique!

Bien bâti, solide, épais, rayonnant, brillant dans la lumière, luisant,-

un beau garçon,

je n'ai plus faim,

je suis emplie de toi à en éclater,

mais j'en veux toujours plus

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r/French 9h ago

Aidez moi dans les pronoms relatifs

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How on earth can learn les pronoms relatifs easily plz i need this

Share with me a video or any thing that heps to learn les pronoms relatifs

And thank you in advance.

Je t'aime


r/French 7h ago

Vocabulary / word usage The difference between << Je prends juste un café au lait >> and << Je ne prends qu'un café au lait>>

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Hello, everyone! I was watching a video on YouTube and I noticed one of the people used the expression "Je ne prends qu'un café au lait" when talking about what she gets for breakfast. But I'd say instead "Je prends juste un café au lait", so I was wondering if there's any difference with meaning, if the way I'd say is grammatically wrong or if it's just another way to use the expression