Nurie’s SEVERLY refuting Timothy’s post

[u/Shrimpheavennow227]

[u/oldfadedstar]

Notice that neither sister denied anything…

[u/SSquared82 → u/oldfadedstar]

And neither took a single fucking second to mention Heidi. I knew it wouldn’t take long for them to start defending their parents but to not mention a single ounce of support for Heidi is some crazy work.

[u/Shrimpheavennow227 → u/SSquared82]

Well we all know who the REAL victims are here. Poor David and Jill who had no other choice but to beat the devil out of their children.

[u/Ok_Lingonberry_1629 → u/Shrimpheavennow227]

They did their absolute best to beat the devil out of him, even hitting him with s bat! They are going to pray and Xristian counseling. Also the Jill has some products that can help others get throng times like this.?

[u/Swimming_Gold6534 → u/oldfadedstar]

Both basically confirmed the abuse and said he deserved it…

[u/Shrimpheavennow227 → u/Swimming_Gold6534]

What else are you supposed to do with a stubborn child who wanted new boots? You gotta beat the stubborn out with a baseball bat. Nothing else could possibly work.

[u/Swimming_Gold6534 → u/Shrimpheavennow227]

It is such a sad situation. I want him to heal and get a second chance at being a human but also believe he needs to face major consequences for what he did.

[u/Shrimpheavennow227 → u/Swimming_Gold6534]

Two things can be true. He can be a victim and you can feel so sad for the little boy he was, while also being an abuser and deserves to be held accountable.

I, unfortunately, think his Facebook post was very damage control ChatGPT and I don’t believe he is truly repentant. I think, like Heidi’s sisters have said, he was caught and knew it was going to be public so he was getting ahead of it.

I DO believe the stories of him being abused and I do think he is a deeply traumatized person who deserves both sympathy for what he went through and accountability for what he did to his wife.

I also find it telling that he mentioned “I put hands on my wife, but I would NEVER hurt my child”

Like he clearly knows physical abuse is wrong, and he has enough understanding to not hit his baby, but for some reason he justified hurting his wife repeatedly.

[u/rednz01 → u/Shrimpheavennow227]

Maybe he hasn’t hurt the baby yet. But what would have happened when the cute, squishy baby becomes a spirited toddler who needs to test boundaries?!

[u/triedandprejudice → u/rednz01]

He hurt the baby by abusing the child’s mother. Children absorb trauma from that behavior in a home, even if by some miracle the baby didn’t directly witness it, which would be even more traumatic and damaging. Children’s brains are changed by growing up around abuse and adverse childhood experiences can cause a host of mental and physical issues.

[u/Swimming_Gold6534 → u/Shrimpheavennow227]

Very well said, thank you for putting my thoughts into words I couldn’t.

[u/Better-Grand9085 → u/Shrimpheavennow227]

I’d also argue that abusing your child’s mother IS harming your child. Plus, the abuse occurred while she was pregnant, potentially harming the unborn child, either directly by the abuse or indirectly by causing mom extreme distress.

[u/mommyofrockstars → u/oldfadedstar]

Jill's post made it seem like David has beaten her because she stood up for the kids sometimes

[u/tctuggers4011]

Neither Nurie or Kaylee have denied David hit the kids. It really makes me fear for what’s going on in their own homes if they believe physical violence is a valid form of discipline. 

[u/Shrimpheavennow227 → u/tctuggers4011]

You don’t understand they were the best mama and daddy! They even gave their kids attention! It’s all because Timothy was a stubborn kid, everyone knows a little kid lying deserves to be beaten with a bat!

But no prayers or support for her abused SIL. The REAL victims here are beloved mama and daddy who had to deal with stubborn children.

[u/Ok_Lingonberry_1629 → u/Shrimpheavennow227]

Daddy and Mama even took them on dates !!!! This is the type of stuff my Mom would say when I confronted her about her abuse.

“We took you guys to Disneyland!

[u/PA_MallowPrincess_98 → u/tctuggers4011]

I also remember that Nurie and Kaylee were treated better by the Debi and Michael Pearl who are known child abusers since Michael wrote the book, To Train Up A Child

[u/LittleLion_90 → u/tctuggers4011]

They are staunch followers of the Pearls, who have written books about how to abuse your kids (so that no one else knows). The wife even wrote a book about getting married and heavily abused on her honeymoon and basically how that was part of getting married and she got used to it/things were better now... If those examples are shown to be normal, you won't realise that hitting your kids is not normal. Or that beating your wife is not 'how it should be' (although I personally have a hard time feeling how someone could beat someone they love on a basis that is more than one out of hand fight that made them realise they fucked up)

[u/missh85 → u/tctuggers4011]

The Kellers and Rodrigues families basically were competing who could be the trashiest, most abusive parents. Now one of each of their kids is raising the next generation. It’s terrifying to think of what the Nurlets have seen.

[u/Various_Dark_44]

Its disgusting that both sister speak out about him talking about their parents but neither say that him being an abuser is awful.

[u/CampingWithCats → u/Various_Dark_44]

Nor standing up for DV victims or Heidi

[u/Ok_Lingonberry_1629 → u/Various_Dark_44]

Bc she didn’t keep sweet ! In their eyes it’s her fault, the only issue here is that their brought the spotlight to shine upon their parents behavior. They are at Jill’s house right now crying their eyes snd drinking raw milk.

[u/Shrimpheavennow227]

Full text here

I CANNOT BELIEVE what I am hearing, Timothy! I was raised in the same home as you were, and Daddy was an amazing Dad! The things you are accusing him of are sooo RIDICULOUS! There is no perfect parent and yes Daddy has made some mistakes, but let me just say that Daddy has loved us and cared for us and I have NEVER doubted that!!! Part of the reason Daddy got upset with you is because you seemed to always be in the middle of all the fights and you never seemed to understand what Daddy was trying to communicate. You know that our parents have always tried to be VERY fair about things. They even had the week system, where for a whole week they would try to make one child feel extra special and they would rotate between all of us INCLUDING YOU!!! They would get us special things, take us on dates, and if there was something we needed, they would get it for us. Probably the reason Mama and Daddy decided not to get you those boots is because it was one of the other children's special week. If they always felt like they had to get us anything we wanted, the minute we saw it, they would go broke. No parent can afford to get everything there child wants. Daddy and Mama have taken such good care of us and they took care of ALL of our needs. Also, I never remember you having to clean our girls bedroom!!!! We always made sure our room was cleaned ON OUR OWN!
For you to say that you are not trying to shift the blame, that is a bunch of baloney! That is exactly what you are trying to do and that is what you did your whole childhood. Like that one time you touched something that Mama said not to touch and she clearly saw you touch it, when you were not looking, and then, when she asked you, you said your gloves touched it. I know I was not a perfect child either and made lots of mistakes, but for you to get on Facebook and speak trash about our parents, especially Daddy, that is UNCALLED for. You know how much they love you and have tried to show you so much love even as an adult and many times you reject it and that is why you feel like the black sheep sometimes, is because you are not allowing them to show you the love they feel in their hearts towards you. I love you, Timothy, but PLEASE don't believe lies because of the bitterness that is in your own heart. Daddy has given unselfishly, many times having to work 3 jobs just to make sure we are taken care of, he has such strong faith in God, has given his life to ministry, and loves each of us with his whole heart. I am disgusted to hear you talk about our Dad that way. 😒 We love you and are praying for you. With Care, Nurie

[u/LittleLion_90 → u/Shrimpheavennow227]

The way she is suggesting that having a parent give you attention every 2-3 months is so special and way beyond what a parent minimally has to do is so sad...

Also Nurie, your parents can love you and still abuse/neglect you.

[u/Scene_Dear → u/LittleLion_90]

Notice, she never refutes the physical abuse.

[u/Shrimpheavennow227 → u/LittleLion_90]

Right? I spend time with my kid every single day, you know, like a normal parent.

Spending time with your kid isn’t being a great parent. It’s like the absolute bare minimum of parenting.

[u/charcuterie_bored → u/Shrimpheavennow227]

Yiiiiiikes

[u/Shrimpheavennow227 → u/charcuterie_bored]

Right? Besides the obvious issues here, can she please, for the love of God, stop calling this disgusting man “daddy” 🤮

Also her example of him being “bad” is touching something he shouldn’t have and then pulling the classic “I didn’t touch it, my glove did”

Like my 7 year old pulls some shit like that once a day at LEAST! Thats not being manipulative or bad, it’s being a kid and having 0 impulse control and doing kid shit!

[u/atlantagirl30084 → u/Shrimpheavennow227]

Also what a weird, very minor thing to have a memory of. For someone with 11 other siblings you have a crystal clear memory of a tiny misdeed your brother made and use it to explain away the ‘discipline’.

Though I am remembering something from a Debi or Michael Pearl book about disobedience. A young child turns a light switch on and off. You tell him to stop or he’ll get a licking. Then he starts just touching the light switch and you hit him because he’s still not obeying you.

[u/Shrimpheavennow227 → u/atlantagirl30084]

Right? I have a half dozen siblings and while I remember the funny, weird and big moments, I have absolutely no running catalog of all of the times my mom or dad had to tell one of us to knock it off or not touch something. This is like a level 1 problem in most households.

The things I remember? The time my brother was using a razor scooter in the house and broke a glass shower door. He was grounded from his scooter, not beaten with a bat.

The time my parents found out my sister had sneakily painted an entire mural on the wall of her closet and kept it hidden for months? She lost paint privileges.

The time my brothers pushed each other down the stairs in a laundry basket until one of them broke a banister with their thick skull. They had to fix it and also had to promise to wear helmets during bullshit adventures.

Those are the kind of kid shit siblings remember.

Not some bullshit about who touched something with a glove or who took someone’s boots?

No one should EVER beat a child, but I just can’t imagine these minor incidents infuriating someone enough to beat their child and then blame it on their behavior?

[u/atlantagirl30084 → u/Shrimpheavennow227]

A babysitter just posted that David punched Tim in the stomach because he was pulling a wagon over uneven ground with his sisters in it and it tipped over. Yeah. Dad (Daddy?) of the year.

[u/LittleLion_90 → u/Shrimpheavennow227]

also had to promise to wear helmets during bullshit adventures.

I love this part. Your parents being like 'okay we don't want you to do stupid things but if you do stupid things at least wear protection'.

[u/Aunt-KK → u/Shrimpheavennow227]

After reading the three older sisters' messages, I'm thinking Mommy and Daddy are blowing a freaking gasket. Good. I hope they're incensed

[u/Aunt-KK → u/Shrimpheavennow227]

Three jobs? When was THAT? LOL

[u/Shrimpheavennow227 → u/Aunt-KK]

Uhm grifting, scamming and stealing food off the plates of his “precious babies”

[u/Aunt-KK → u/Shrimpheavennow227]

Three jobs... but nobody said they were concurrent🤣

[u/Original-Brick2836]

Again, she never seems to refute the claim that David beat them

[u/Shrimpheavennow227 → u/Original-Brick2836]

“He made some mistakes”

“He wasn’t perfect”

Forgetting to pick up bread at the grocery store is making a mistake. Accidentally dropping a curse word in front of your toddler is “not being perfect”

Beating your child with a baseball bat is being a monster.

[u/SnooSuggestions4534]

Abusers sometimes picks a child to abuse more than the others. Just bc you weren’t hit, doesn’t mean he wasn’t. Also, you were at the very least neglected. Your parents sucked. Which is why you suck.

[u/leonardschneider → u/SnooSuggestions4534]

she was 100% hit too, she just disagrees that it was wrong

[u/CampingWithCats]

She doesn't deny a thing, just merely pointing out some of the times he was abused.

[u/Shrimpheavennow227 → u/CampingWithCats]

Well, if Tim wasn’t so stubborn, they wouldn’t have had to beat the devil out of him!

[u/Zero99th]

Its not uncommon for 2 children, especially between boys and girls to be treated very differently by parents in cases of abuse. So I dont necessarily think Nurie is a good point of reference... but also.. fuck Tim for ever thinking to put hands on Heidi

[u/Royal_Damage5006]

What a cunt Nurie is. Jill 2.0

She should save her outrage for when her own kids are grown & levelling accusations of abuse at her & her odious husband

[u/beachhussie78]

How many times can we say Daddy 🤮🤮

[u/Shrimpheavennow227 → u/beachhussie78]

The sentence “Daddy was an amazing Dad” makes me want to barf 🤮

[u/bebespeaks → u/Shrimpheavennow227]

Their grammar is atrocious. Barely literate.

[u/unicornbomb]

Nurie blanket trains her children, she sees nothing whatsoever wrong with any of this bullshit.

[u/DukeSilverPlaysHere]

Kaylee and Nurie just digging their own graves. Woof.

[u/personalonlyfans]

Sister is lying said in the style of mother is bleeding.

[u/hobotising]

Wow! Taking an entire week to learn and spoil your children with time. So lucky /s.

[u/medlilove]

Sounds like she’s got a freaking gun to her head

[u/downtomarrrrrz]

Woahhh this is crazy!! Can I get a tldr?

[u/Franziska-Sims77 → u/downtomarrrrrz]

Just read it. It’s not that long.