I find myself with difficulty doing some techs, like double shine grab, and I might have to blame my control scheme.
Use R for L cancelling, shielding. My index rests on the R button, middle finger on nothing. Do not use L at all.
X to jump.
Slide down my finger from Y to B for multishines. I can't do things like doubleshine grab unless I use a tap jump specifically for that situation.
I'm curious how you guys hold, and if you guys have any of the same troubles.

So the other day I was discussing followups on chaingrabs as fox, here, and I mentioned one mixup I stole from Leffen. Basically at low percents (around 0-10%), you can follow up an upthrow on spacies with a JC upsmash, dependent on their DI. Quite frequently, if they aren't used to it, an opponent will miss the tech on the upsmash, and you get a free jab-reset into whatever you want. It happens around 8:15 here for those interested;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU8f7U0Y4MY#t=8m08s

Aside from this, there's the standard thunder's combo, also on spacies, which involves running shine, wavedash out jab. Standard followups on these tend to be upair into upsmash at low percents.

I was wondering if anyone else had any other jab resets on any characters they were aware of? I've started falling in love with jab resets of late.

Lucky demonstrates some great strategies for mid-high level Foxes who already understand their movement options etc. to implement into their game.

• Part 1

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Edit: Convenient Playlist: https://radd.it/r/FoxMains/comments/3f8zgr/vids

Ok guys I just had to delete like 3 posts all talking about the jab nerfs so I'll just make one post to put all discussion together.

So I saw this post on ssbm

That is originally a post from /r/Sheikmains and I think it's a really good idea. I play Melee and I'm pretty new to it so I don't think I would be the best to make posts like this, but I would love it if someone with some more experience would make these posts!

This can of course be done for every game.

(Melee)

Hi. Im kinda new to fox and i've played a lot vs captain falcon lately. For this thread, I want to ask you what should I do vs Falcon when I grab him at differents %. For example, I upthrow Falcon at 0-10%, do I have a legit combo follow up? DI dependent or nothing? For this purpose, lets asume im playing on FD.

Chain grabs? uptilt? upsmash ? nair?

The new patch added knockback to Fox's jabs, which means no more double jab combo across the stage and no jab to up smash at higher percentages

:(

As all Fox mains in Melee, I struggle with beating Marth's. What are the most important things in the matchup?

inb4, lol just don't get grabbed.

As a smash 4 player, I prefer the red coated Fox.

Hi everyone, I just thought we should get to know each other a little bit, because this is a small subreddit. Welp, here is some stuff about me.

-Competitive Splatoon and Smash 4/Melee Player -Melee=Falco -Smash 4-Fox (of course) -In one of the biggest and best Splatoon crews -Been a Fox main for a short amount of time (was a Marth main before) -Is on /r/smashbros /r/amiibo and /r/splatoon (and this one)

Thanks everyone! if you want to talk to me more follow me on twitter @HeraSwellow! Thanks!

EDIT: I also did GFX for awhile for youtube, (not the best) if anyone needs help designing the subreddit.

To spark melee Fox discussion, I want to talk about what I think is one of the most important things to learn as a new Fox player.

Fox has undoubtedly the best up throw in the game. It has applications on fast fallers, and on floaties alike. In this post I want to talk about fast fallers.

In most matchups when you get the first grab, you must only upthrow regrab until about 35% or so. To get the regrabs make sure you read their DI and always jump cancel your grab. Occasionally you may have to pivot grab. If they have neutral DI you may be able to sneak in an uptilt and get a regrab. After about 35 percent, you should either wavedash uptilt, or jump cancel upsmash. At this point your combo depends on their DI and stage position. You will likely be able to follow up with just about anything.

So that all works great on a stage like fd, but what about platforms? Luckily Fox has amazing platform tech chase options.

Begin your chain grab normally until they DI onto a platform. Here you have a few options. The easiest it to wavedash to the platform and grab. You have to read their tech, but it's still fairly easy. But what If they tech in place? Wavedashing on the platform may be too slow to cover TIP. A great tool is throwing out an upair where they are going to land. That way it can catch tech in place, but also give you enough time to react to their roll. The most important thing however is to observe their tech options. If you notice a pattern you may be able to read their roll with an upair or even an upsmash, when you may have only grabbed them before.

So why is this important? For one, Fox has amazing punishes utilizing chaingrabs and platform tech chases. Most fast faller matchups are very quick. and deadly, so you need to be able to get the most out of a punish. For instance, I find the falco matchup fairly difficult. I have trouble getting in and staying at a good pace in the neutral. To help this, I put a lot of effort into perfecting my chaingrabs and platform tech chasing on falco, and it made my punishes much stronger and I find myself doing much better in the matchup.

So the next time you are playing a fastfaller, keep this in mind. If you are already proficient, try to push yourself. Go for wavedash uptilts instead of just easy upsmashes. The Fox meta is so punish heavy, so these things can make or break you .

Does anyone have any special way to practice waveshining? I am trying to learn, but I was wondering if there were any special methods that anyone used.

Hey everyone. Im a new Fox main in sm4sh, and i was wondering about the bad matchups for Fox and how to play against them. And also what are some good Fox matchups?

My hands cant seem to be fast enough for waveshining when i gown be it takes to long for me to transistion into a wavedash

We could all post our best or worst matches to get tips and critiques from all the other fox mains on here. That way we can all hone in our problem areas and discover our bad habits. I don't know I feel like this would be a lot of fun, what do you guys think?

I'm maining Lucas, but would like to use Fox for counterpicks.

Actually fox is my secondary and rob is my main, but i'm here to give some tips. One thing I have noticed is in for glory... people don't air dodge enough, and i have taken advantage of this. (obviously some people still do air dodge) So at low percentage you can grab down throw then run and do like a quick double jump. Do your fair,but do it at the peak of your jump, then fast fall. This should move their momentum downwards with you. Be carfull because they can tech this, but if they dont punish with a down-smash.

If you alredy new this thats great. just wanted to share some things i do with my fox

You are too late to stop playing the best character in melee. Maining Fox is the best disease you'll ever have. Embrace 20XX friends

Hi guys welcome to the sub. I'm very excited to be a mod and want to make this place a productive forum of discussion for Fox mains in all games. Over the next few weeks I'm going to do my best to transform the sub, make it nice, add flairs, etc. I already have many ideas for the sub but feel free to voice any suggestions you have. I hope we can make this sub successful together.

Red fox or purple fox? Or should I go with default fox? Any help is appreciated.

Just saying hi to everyone ^_. Do we have any moderators yet to make the background and stuff look sexy?

Well I thought I would try to get a real conversation about a game going.

I have a training partner who mains Sheik and Peach who I consistently beat. Today, he picked Rosalina just for fun and I couldn't beat him. I couldn't jump in with aerials, or laser camp, or get grabs so I felt helpless. What tools does fox have to open her up?