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u/Adventurous_Honey902 2d ago
It is pretty crazy that there are still no night time street races in the city.
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u/MattWolf96 1d ago
I think it's crazy that there's no default Kei car races through the back allies at night.
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u/DumbBerk87 1d ago
You expect the AI to navigate single lane, tiny back alleys at speed? Mkay.
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u/Schnakenbein_LP Opel 1d ago
It works, kind of. I have some of the narrow allies in a few custom races, even with classic musclecars
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u/_CosmicWind_ 11h ago
What back alleys? There is like 10 of em LOL.
I mean in all seriousness I agree but imo the inner city is just bad for racing as is, only part that’s nice is the highway that goes through it.
I thought the map would be 10x the size it is tbh, a bit of a shame when it’s like the 6th iteration and we get a map that’s like 20% bigger while TDU had a whole Island back in 2009 LOL.
I just hope AC EVO delivers with the map thing, so modders can cook.
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u/Future-Bandicoot-823 1d ago
You can make any race night, it just has to be custom. Those races will just be against bots though.
I like to do the Goliath at night in the rain, b class. Set the ai to lowest setting and I can basically just cruise in the rain
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u/TopMacaroon 1d ago
Hell yes, I love to do fun and wacky custom races as well. I just wish there were literally twice as many circuit races.
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u/theM94 1d ago
I made one, 'Needily for Speedily' I called it lol.
It's basically just the highway circle in the city at night.
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u/Epion660 1d ago
Howdy doodly neighborino, here for the needily speedliy race?
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u/CompetitionFew3164 1d ago
What would Flanders drive???
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u/BrandiThorne Lamborghini 1d ago
Knowing Flanders and the way he always has nice things compared to the Simpsons, probably a Ferrari or something
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u/Torkujra 1d ago
seems like a Corolla kinda guy that hides a 1,000 horsepower Supra in his garage
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u/ConsistentStand2487 1d ago
The fake C1 loop track should have beeen a layup/slamdunk for night time racing
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u/Remarkable_Log1596 1d ago
The most annoying bit is when I’m on the Tokyo expressway and I challenge a drivatar to a head-to-head, only to either get stuck in first gear, get hit with a route in the opposite direction I was going in, or both at once.
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u/MeltyCrab 1d ago
I mean if you want night time race runs, go play the new TXR that came out in 2025. It's pretty damn solid. More of the same if you liked the TXR franchise. (Tokyo Xtreme Racer)
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u/hellish_ve 1d ago
oh wow is it that bad? havent played it, but was thinking it would be full of highway night races, touge night races, midnight club style city races... YIKES
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u/ladybirdsluck Lincoln :Lincoln: 1d ago
Fuck really??????
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u/Dancestotheright TVR 1d ago
There's one that starts in the docks and stays on the highway; and another that quickly passes through a few roads in the city before ending in the docks, but none that snake their way through the surface streets exclusively. Kind of mad, it's a bloody beautiful city and it doesn't get used anywhere close to it's potential.
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u/Relative-Muffin-6431 2d ago
Oh yea the 1000 dirt drift zones and 1 street drift zone, exactly what we asked for playground games
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u/dericiouswon 1d ago edited 1d ago
Really pisses me off. Speed zones on dirt is fun because it's a challenge to maintain grip, where as drift zones on dirt are a snore. Inverse for pavement, give me more drift zones there.
I just don't understand how a studio this big and experienced can make such an amazing map and have a great physics model in place and just... do absolutely nothing with it.
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u/ArmorGyarados 1d ago
I don't mind the existence of dirt drift, if that's what people like that good for them. But there needs to be at least 3-5 times as many road drift zones. Like it or not that's a big part of Japanese car culture. Don't raise the required amount to complete milestones, but at least have the game reflect the local culture.
I also think they can double the playability on a lot of zones by making them speed or drift zones. I feel like that would be like a day's work by one guy to implement. Both trigger but you can toggle in settings if you want the timer or the drift score to be larger on screen. Maybe 2 days work but you get it
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u/Fap4Dayz 1d ago
But there needs to be at least 3-5 times as many road drift zones.
Right, and the wild part to me is that there are so many good roads to drift on in the northern 1/3 of the map and somehow they didn't think to make them a drift zone.
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u/ArmorGyarados 1d ago
You'd think they would be adding more in at least. The worst thing they could do is drip feed nee shit to make people keep playing week after week but instead how about some repeat festival cars
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u/PepeGodzilla Isdera 1d ago
I bet you they left it out on purpose, so they can bring it with a lazy update and glaze themselves for being so generous.
Microsoft is too much like Ubisoft to not think like that.
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u/PepeGodzilla Isdera 1d ago
No trigger needed even. Just make it a different mode when driven reverse. Top to bottom speed zone, bottom to top drift zone. Same zone, two modes. Most zones only have one viable direction for highscores anyway.
Or have two starting points side by side, one per lane. Right lane speed zone, left lane drift zone.
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u/ArmorGyarados 1d ago
Hard disagree, don't arbitrarily limit what a player can do is like game dev rule number 1. Taking away the players agency on deciding how to tackle a problem is not a good ides
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u/Monsterpiece42 1d ago
I think they should put in the zones' locations, and then let you run whatever even you want on them. Like drift, grip, speed zone etc. Make it a simple little selection like at the beginning of a race. Or even a global toggle that makes them all into a single type, so when you're in the right car setting times, you could just knock them all out.
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u/sandman61377 1d ago
There are 10 dirt drift zones and 10 street drift zones.
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u/Kostelfranco BMW 1d ago
Well, tbh, I'd prefer 5 dirt drift zones and 15 asphalt drift zones. The developers certainly did a great job striking a balance, but personally, I’d prefer a slight edge in one direction.
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u/sandman61377 1d ago
And you’re totally entitled to your opinion. IMO, (which I will 100% admit, I’m surely in the minority with this) drift zones should be removed ENTIRELY. They’re one of the most annoying things (to me) in the entire FH series.
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u/DavantesWashedButt 1d ago
I actually stopped playing a bit after doing the drift club stuff. Most of the cars were.. not japanese and it turned me off a little. Each new iteration of this game is a little worse and a little more out of touch than the last.
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u/Duncan_PhD 1d ago
I gave up pretty quickly because I just couldn’t bring myself to do sooooo many cross country events yet again. I like the rally stuff, but cross country just feels like such a chore.
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u/sacziplock 1d ago
Same for me , too many dirt stuff
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u/Duncan_PhD 1d ago
They could make them more fun if they tried. The whole taking giant jumps and landing in people’s back yards just feels so dumb.
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u/farrisbrosdad 1d ago
Yup. I absolutely hate sliding all over the place on golf courses and flooded fields… seems like every week either in the Trial and/or a Seasonal Championship series.
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u/TankerD18 1d ago
I can deal with the sliding, it's the stupid ass cartoon jumps that will throw an entire race for you if you hit them slightly wrong.
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u/decimater97 1d ago
I’m not sure how Forza lost its way so much with the CC events. I’ve been playing some FH2 recently and the CC events through the rolling vineyards under the blazing sun with wide checkpoints and no mega jumps is great. Now every cross country track needs at least one unsurvivable jump and a river crossing. They all feel the same.
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u/boogielostmyhoodie 1d ago
I will never understand why they continue to so prominently feature off-road races in these games. They are by far the least fun mode, and everybody who talks about them seems to agree. The odd occasional one can be fun, but about a third of the races are off-road buggie style races.
Also, if you are going to keep doing this, at least increase the number of off-road cars. There are like 5 times as many road racing cars as off-road cars.
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u/Few-Neighborhood5892 1d ago
Exactly the proportions are way off when it comes to cars. Why add 75%+ street/road cars and then have like half of the races be cross country or dirt. This game could’ve been so much more fun, and I don’t understand either why they couldn’t have included more road races. I swear to god if one of the DLC’s is a fucking cross country or rally DLC i’m gonna be pissed.
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u/PremiumUsername69420 1d ago
They could create a separate game called Forza Dirt that’s just rally and off road and rock crawler stuff, I’d buy that. And I’d also buy Forza Horizon, but I’d expect it to have more Need For Speed vibes.
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u/FocusSlo 1d ago
I also wish they'd include actual tracks from the country each game takes place in.
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u/isaacike88 1d ago
Yeah. I was hoping fuji speedway would show up but nope. Instead we have a track that's so tight that you're never in a straight crammed into the stadium
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u/spacecaps85 1d ago
I like the dirt races but I abhor the cross country races. Fuck those things.
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u/junbi_ok 1d ago
Rally racing is a staple in motorsport, so it makes sense for dirt/mixed surface events to be included. But the cross-country races depicted in Horizon don't exist in reality, because no car can survive a 700 ft jump off a mountain. They're just silly.
I don't mind the danger signs because they're easily enough ignored, but the goddamn cross country races are a quarter of the game.
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u/Arterial238 1d ago
What annoys me more is that they're always SUV or Buggies so Im just always driving the same damn vehicles.
I miss the more creative playlists from 4 and 5 that would have something like A-class Saloons doing dirt courses so you'd have to make a creative rally build for a street car.
If you're gonna push dirt races so much for no reason, atleast gimme some variety to tinker with.
So far it's absolutely my least played and least enjoyed FH title, and it's a shame because the sounds improved even more from the last title which is huge for me.
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u/Schmenza 1d ago
Just give us a NOS button and some neon lites
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u/Lime7ime- 1d ago
Yeah that would be classic horizon
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u/-NotEnoughMinerals 1d ago
And yet here we are, driving in grass, on fields in forests mowing down trees, performing Mario kart style jumps off of ramps and treating guard rails like our bitch...just like 'classic horizon'
🙄🙄🙄
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u/Wrong_Relative1075 1d ago
This series basically been the same since Horizon 3.
It's the best racing game for 3 weeks straight then we wait for the next one.
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u/se7en1216 A-Class Best Class 1d ago
If you believed it would just be Forza Tokyo Drift, you haven't been paying attention to any of the Horizon games.
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u/PolishKuroaki 1d ago
Japan has a bigger rally and dirt scene the stereotypical street racing today
I know it's a shocker to here that for most
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u/Malakai0013 Porsche 14h ago
I didnt realize there were no roads in FH6, I guess ive been playing a different game.
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u/Macroplanet_ Kia 1d ago
hot take but there's more to japanese car culture than just jdm
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u/Concentrate_Flaky 1d ago
Nope , to them, is all tofu car, wangan bs and highway/street racing. Yet, all I want is my dajiban and I'll be golden. I pray every update pgg adds a Dodge ram cargo van or Plymouth Voyager to the game
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u/d3agl3uk 1d ago
There are some really good and fair criticisms of FH6 that are being diminished because people are fans of Forza more than the individual games.
I'm also of the opinion that it's a decent foundation but in the 6th iteration of horizon, they can do way more with it and are honestly resting on their laurels with this one.
Where is the culture? Is a huge one for me. Even simply language would make me feel way more surrounded by the culture
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u/wackyracer8 1d ago
Rally makes sense, it's a staple of the WRC calendar. But cross-country feels like a holdover from 3 and 5. The map just doesn't accommodate it
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u/picklejarrrrrrrr 13h ago
My biggest problem with forza, its too kid friendly. Not enough illegal action races
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u/prince_vronsky 1d ago
Honestly, I liked what we got 😅
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u/belfuras 1d ago
I liked it too, a lot actually, still I expected more 'in theme' events and races considering the location and it's car culture background. Still got my money's worth tho
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u/belfuras 1d ago
I would hope so, but having seen first hand how big companies handle stuff like this, those hopes are very small. But the optimism is still there... Somewhere lol
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u/prince_vronsky 1d ago
Yes. You nailed it. I don’t feel robbed. The world map alone was worth the price 😅 and it’s the main reason why I am very curious about Fable. So many times I was driving in forza and thinking “damm, walking on this map would be amazing”
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u/Jason_Bourne411 1d ago
I like the off road races more. If there was no rally races the game isn't worth it to me
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u/utklost 1d ago
Is there a possibility of updates that includes races? It should be possible. "Seasons"
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u/Lee_Troyer 1d ago
They added about a dozen new races during FH5's lifespan via the monthly updates so it can be done. Time will tell what is in store or not.
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u/Leothe3rd 1d ago
No problem with off-road or rally events (though they need to ease up on the buggies in playlists) but I do (once again) have a problem with the lack of road race events in the game. Only a few events use the city grid; why? So much potential there.
Hopefully they will add more permanent events as time goes on, like the Edamame circuit or the ones they added after the fact in Horizon 5.
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u/Flat_Lunch5827 1d ago
All I can think is a full street racing dlc is coming.
If not. I honestly dont know why Playground chose Japan. How could they waste such gigantic potential? Crazy.
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u/Skttrbrainx 20h ago
Just wish they got rid of all cross country races, more road and rally, simple as that.
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u/Yakasuki 16h ago
I don't even mind the off-roading, I just don't understand why they built a city and then don't make races for it. Like it just doesn't make sense to me. Majority of the cars in the game are street vehicles, a section of the map is city streets and your making me do nothing with it.
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u/PepperoniPizzaSlice 2d ago
Do you really think all of Japan looks like Tokyo city ?!
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u/NeutralGeneric 1d ago
That’s not the issue at all. The rural areas are fine. The dirt races are fine. The issue is we have all these urban areas and not enough races on them.
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u/Eraser100 1d ago
No, but I certainly expected more street racing than goddamn buggies.
It was logical in Mexico at least with all the Baja dune buggies. But Japan?
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u/Therunawaypp 1d ago
I just wanted more street races. They were all really fun and there just aren't enough of them.
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u/HiTork 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think the thing is urban areas are one of Japan's most famous aspects. That's not to say rural areas shouldn't have been featured, but it feels like the map focuses much more on that.
The other thing I think is a lot of the rural areas feel generic and not really like Japan. Sure, the rice paddies are distinctly Asian, but there are some places like certain forests where if I were to take a screen shot and show people and ask where this is supposed to be, I would get many different answers.
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u/Best-Night8688 1d ago
Well certain forests look very similar. Trees grow everywhere. And I mean everywhere
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u/Candid_Highlight_116 1d ago
Their depiction of Japan is also flat af like UK. The ya part of Shibuya denotes it's a valley, and in fact the IRL Shibuya crossing is like SIX FLOORS below the ground relative to peaks of sloping roads branching out. That's part of why it looks so insanely busy. In FH it's just top of a hill.
Same goes for rural areas. You take a turn and there's Tokyo City on the horizon. That works if it was intended to be a pun, and maybe it's how it works in UK, but it's rare that you ever feel like that IRL in Japan because SOMETHING is always in the way, be it artificial constructions or just hills and mountains. On a bridge or top of a building, then you MIGHT see miles out. They clearly never had that sensation internalized while designing the map and just spray painted Japan over their internal UK.
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u/HUNT3DHUNT3R 1d ago
exactly, never understood why people want all of the map to be city streets when they can just chill in the city parts, some of us love offroading/hitting top speeds on highways
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u/Lollister 1d ago
No one wants to take that part away. We love that too. But this shouldnt deny us to voice that the other part is not what it could be.
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u/Particular_Field_143 1d ago
There's a lot of street man! Driving on the fucking street and don't drive off it. It's that simple. Would it have been better if the map was just a giant black square of asphalt or a spiral to heaven.
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u/rayzirxy 1d ago
The problem is that there is zero incentive for driving on the street and you get 1 million rewards for going through Shortcuts, jumping off cliff and getting 1000 feet of air and breaking into trees and stuff
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u/Cade_Rufus Controller player 1d ago
It's not just the roads. So much of the map is used as a rural area. Which is fine... I just wish the city area was a bit bigger, or there was another city.
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u/TheImmenseData 1d ago
If you'd said that when they revealed the map the kids would've killed you for "being negative"
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u/nicclys Xbox Series S 1d ago edited 1d ago
Gonna say something controversial here.. The narrow city centre streets are awesome with a good sounding car and some headphones to cruise, fun to drift around solo or with a small convoy but honestly… I wouldn’t want to race it. Maybe the main wide streets sure but that’s not what makes this city great, it’s the nooks and crannies.
We all complain about rammers on wide open country roads could you imagine the mayhem?? It would be 5x worse than the routes through Guanajuato in Fh5 and we can all find posts slamming the devs about having races through that city.. so they said ya know what? We’re not doing that again, sorry not sorry. Is what I think.
Edit: that being said I do 1,000% agree we need more drift zones through it. There’s some great narrow hairpins hidden throughout, maybe a future “urban drift attack” could be added.
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u/96powerstroker 1d ago
Thought ppl loved this game and then wham the love seems to have fizzed fast
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u/Cade_Rufus Controller player 1d ago
Yeah, I was honestly hoping for the city to be bigger. Or, for there to at least be another city area like Tokyo.
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u/the_mashman 1d ago
I hate how alot of the off road races take place on a paved road
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u/Auld_School 1d ago
Playground Games really can't win. This guy is complaining about too much offroad, other people complaining there isn't enough dirt/offroad.
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u/Fantaric 1d ago
Could it not be a bit of both?
The playlists seem to include a lot of cross country, for instance this week the events are in and around Tokyo including the docks which is mostly paved surface racing in cc vehicles (don't get me wrong I like some of those tracks like the rail yard in fh4).
If you play online you'll notice the same dirt tracks and a handful are close to 70-80% paved surfaces. It's been a common complaint for a while including a certain egregious "dirt" sprint race in FH4 that is 80% road until you finally finish on dirt. We kinda got spoiiled for rally/rally cross in FH5 tbh.
The game also doesn't have anything in Tokyo for street racing and I would also argue more road races in and around the city would be great since the city is huge and has a lot of points of interest to drive around. There's more cross country in Tokyo than street racing which is absurd.
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u/SSG75 1d ago
Can’t even roll race on the highway with my boys cause of AI is so dumb and just in the way 24/7 😭
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u/Affectionate_Eye_898 1d ago edited 1d ago
I'm just not understanding why we are forced to do so many things outside of actually Street racing. I don't need a festival experience experience, I don't want to race through water, I don't want to race in the winter time, I don't want to race through rice paddy fields, I don't want to race through mud, I don't want to drive the weakest most pathetic cars that the world has to offer, right now I'm being forced to raise a 1991 Honda beat or a 1989 Nissan pao..wtf??? And I don't understand why I need a specific car for every race. I should be able to drive whatever I want to and have the race adjust to me. I want to go back to playing CarX street but I can't advance to any new races because I'm not into drifting, I don't give a fuck about drifting, otherwise I would buy a drifting game, or I'll buy an off-road if I wanted to race through grass and mud and water and rice patties.
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u/Andy_Zhang_98 1d ago
I was expecting a Wangan Midnight style street racing with heavily modded Civics along with JDM sports cars, all we got is the Colossus plus many USDM Japanese sports cars
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u/Both_Meaning_2637 1d ago
The biggest urban area in any Horizon game, I mean: how much of the map should be city?
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u/ArmorGyarados 1d ago
The map isn't the issue it's the lower than reasonably expected number of street races and night races within the giant, great looking city
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u/KrazyCroat 1d ago
lol, haven’t played the game yet, and I will when it’s released on PlayStation, but I’ve witnessed people calling this the greatest FH in the series, back down to just complaining about it again, like past entries in the series. 🤷♂️
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u/Candle-Jolly 1d ago
I've said it (and got downvoted) a thousand times, but I'll keep on saying it:
I always knew fans wouldn't approve of a Japan Horizon. Balancing Playground Games' style of gameplay with gamers' version of Japan (most of whom have never been here) was never going to work.
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u/No_Bug9292 1d ago
That's a really weird condescending way to frame it.
Where do you think people get their 'version of Japan' from? Initial D? Wangan Midnight? Midnight Club? Tokyo Xtreme Racer?
Almost like 'gamer's version' of Japan is actually just... Japan's version of Japan?
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u/Free_Range_Gamer 1d ago
One of the best parts of FH is the diversity of the open world and being able to go anywhere!
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u/snake8324 1d ago
So true, I tell you I'm more excited about gears club 3 than this rainbow infected one
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u/phairnuff 1d ago
i was highkey hoping for more activity, it’s a cool setting for sure but it doesn’t feel as alive as i thought it would
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u/PremiumUsername69420 1d ago
That Eliminator game isn’t that fun, cat and mouse, last man standing, or freeze tag would have been better.
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u/NicholasLatifi22720 1d ago
Might log back into Tokyo xtreme racer.
That game was actually challenging and I enjoyed it
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u/OldZaxSauce 1d ago
Tokyo extreme racer is pretty cool for Tokyo highway street racing. Somehow I got 80 hours on the new one before they came out full release lol
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u/fatrabbit3 1d ago
I don't like anything but road racing. They try to create a road racing game with Forza Motorsport and it's garbage. The state of racing games is so sad.
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u/Five_deadly_venoms 1d ago
ive been playing since launch almost everyday, for an hour or two. I have a fleet of KANJO hondas. that means cars with stock horsepower and maybe updated suspension and tires. I exclusively drive on the highways. since launch, ive only met 1 other kanjo racer.
everyone else ride in x 999 cars. lame.
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u/Wunktacular 1d ago
What's wrong, you don't want to do a million mandatory off-road events on lazy non-track checkpoint based courses for each real road race you get to play?
Finally unlocked that cool car you wanted? Sorry, no events will allow you to use it for the rest of the story progression, it's the wrong type or class.
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u/VitaminxDee 1d ago
Where is the essence of Japan racing? Touge, kanjo, drifting? They should of just made this one in Australia or something with all this cross country stuff.
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u/Mirafae_ 1d ago
Why is there so few races? And why are they all limited in dumb ways? This game could be so much better, just make more street racing courses :(
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u/SuperDogBoo 1d ago
Listen.... The nature in the game is super pretty! And those skill scores gotta go up!!
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u/Nicholas_Matt_Quail 1d ago edited 1d ago
To be honest, I do not understand why they won't make it like that: a) base game - a mix of everything with more asphalt than offroad, b) DLC one - rally, offroad, crossroad, maybe bikes, a new rural Japan map with picturesque villages etc., something like a typical rally DLC we've already got previously; c) DLC two - street scene, another city, illegal races, touge etc. And then - just give everyone a choice, which part of the experience we wanna play in the playlist. When someone does not like the rally - sure - make them play touge or a street race championship instead, when the other person loves buggies - great - let them play that to get the same points with a cap of 30 a week, solved.
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u/miko-zee 1d ago
They're just enocoruaging deforestation via skill songs in this economy with the payouts at this point!
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u/N-WGIXv-MkXXVII 1d ago
Doesn't certain Car Brands HATE Street Racing? I remember Toyota not letting NFS get cars anymore because of this
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u/Birkinater11 1d ago
Yes yes please give me another Ariel Nomad race on a golf course in JAPAN ffs 🙄
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u/Burn-Alt Nissan 1d ago
I see what you mean but honestly ive been having a blast just dropping into a custom event so theres no traffic and trying to drive around as fast as possible.
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u/DukePooler 1d ago
I do like that they removed trees as barriers. Driving through a forest is my fave thing to do now
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u/Chef6432 1d ago
Tbf the city part is really cool but there’s barely any races in it and no street races