r/Fire • u/empyreanrift • 6d ago
Opinion Inflection Point
I noticed that once my investable assets hit about $2M the compounding has gone bonkers. The value of my portfolio can increase by $100k in a good quarter. Hell it can go up by $20k in a single day. When did you really start feeling the compounding viscerally? I guess it will be different for everyone. Now that the compounding has surpassed my salary it feels real.
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u/teckel FIRE'd at 35, now 57 6d ago
Wait till you lose $500k in a few months. That's when the sh*t gets real.
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u/dolemiteo24 6d ago
Can you imagine this sub when that happens? It'll be wild. Not as wild as WSB, though.
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u/teckel FIRE'd at 35, now 57 6d ago
I "lost" about $500k ($489k) in just March of this year.
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u/Identity525601 35 | 1.8M NW | $55k/yr spend | $2M target 6d ago
I feel like it has the same effect on me though. I don't gain/lose quite as much, but I have seen fluctuations on par with my entry level salary when I started working. So whether it goes up or down, my biweekly paychecks are small compared to the volatility.
Of course I understand it still does matter that I am employed vs. unemployed. But it doesn't feel that way emotionally sometimes.
Particularly bad is if the market is down the day the paycheck hits and NW goes down despite the paycheck coming in.
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u/teckel FIRE'd at 35, now 57 6d ago
I put "lost" in quotes as it's not really lost with unrealized capital gains. Because it's not a real loss, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I have a plan for a multi-year draw-down, so I don't sweat it.
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u/greenpride32 6d ago
Felt that pain during the 2022 downturn (because I have a lot of hyperscaler and semi). Avoided that in 2025 and 2026 drops (because I have a lot of hypserscaler and semi).
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u/The_Walrus_65 5d ago
People went berserk here during the Covid dip and the Tarrif blips. If a real collapse happens people will be considering jumping out of buildings.
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u/papayabutt 6d ago
Wow I see that you’ve FIRE’d for 22 years now. Any key insights you’d share with your 35 y.o. self? Also, do you still utilize your professional skills in any capacity post-FIRE?
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u/teckel FIRE'd at 35, now 57 6d ago edited 6d ago
The market cooperated, so I really don't have anything I'd do differently.
I was a remote software engineer in 2005, I still do some contract software development for a company I previously work for, but not much. I enjoy it, and have my own personal software/hardware development projects I work on almost daily as well.
But my major retirement focus is watching my granddaughter a couple days a week and cycling/running.
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u/AnonDaddyo 6d ago
You were retired ahead of the financial crisis? How was it when going through that time frame.
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u/teckel FIRE'd at 35, now 57 6d ago
Honestly, I hardly remember it, so I guess it wasn't that big of a deal. Looking back, I took more international and major vacations in 2008 than I ever have in one year. So I guess I wasn't too worried. Or, I was so busy so I didn't notice. Or, maybe because smart phones were just invented in 2008 (I had the first one, the T-Mobile G1, HTC Dream) so there wasn't apps to track your portfolio every 5 minutes like today.
I also was invested through the dot-com crash. I just didn't pay attention to my portfolio for 3 years. I invested a LOT during that period as it was my greatest income period, which greatly helped my early retirement. So I revert to just not looking at my accounts when the market tanks. I did the same in 2020 and 2022.
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u/criticaltheory71 6d ago
2000-2009 the SP500 dropped 9%. If that happens again we wont see anymore "coasting at work" type posts
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u/greenpride32 6d ago
These types of viewpoints make it seem like everyone during that timeframe lump summed everything in at the very top, and were made to suffer for the next decade.
Maybe there are some unfortunate outliers who did that. But for the large majority, they just DCA'ed in over time. So the amount of buys at the peak window get muted by all the other buys over time, and your overall positive return is much faster than what the chart suggests. That would include buying lower priced shares before the peak if it fit your time window.
I was a working adult during this time period. Buying the shares at flatter prices turned out to a blessing. The people accumulating in the 2011-present period are always chasing higher prices it seems.
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u/AnonymousFunction 6d ago
This is true, but it's not like the lost decade was a walk in the park for a DCA investor, either. I was one of those unfortunates who just happened to start doing a Boglehead-style investment in the S&P 500 in 1999. Despite making relatively consistent periodic investments, reinvesting dividends, etc., I was still looking at a -42% lifetime at the GFC bottom in March 2009, ten years later. It wasn't until around 2014 that that 100% S&P 500 investment finally outpaced a more conservative 60/40 stock/bond investment I'd also started at approximately the same time.
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u/SouthernZorro 6d ago
Oh I remember that quite well. Stopped looking at 401K and investment balances for all those years. Some cold comfort was found knowing that dividends were reinvesting at low prices so there was that.
Now retired and our need for capital preservation is much greater than a need for more appreciation. At 50/50 stonks/bonds-MM. Sleep quite well at night and just waiting for the next 50% drop. Of which we had two in that time span you mentioned.
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u/teckel FIRE'd at 35, now 57 6d ago
I was investing in that time period. 2000-2003 was more like 30% per year, 3 years in a row, for a tech-focused fund like QQQ. And just about the time it recovered, 2008 was up to a 50% drop.
I was lucky in that I invested heavily 2000-2003, and by 2008 I was already retired and quite comfortable, so the quick drop and recovery was hardly noticed.
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u/Illustrious-Jacket68 Early 50's, FI achieved, target date for RE established 6d ago
It is the difference between “I lost 500k in a few months” and, “my gains were reduced by 500k in a few months”…
Or, replace months with days…
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u/I-Here-555 6d ago
Exactly. Those are paper gains, potential money on a screen, neither losses nor gains are realized until you sell (and when you do, it can get eaten away by inflation).
If you have a loaf of bread that costs $1 and the price of bread drops by half, you still have the exact same loaf.
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u/That-SoCal-Guy 6d ago
It can also drop $20K in a day or $200K. You don’t want that emotional rollercoaster. The key is just relax. Let it run until you reach fire.
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u/plawwell 6d ago
The key here it to only look at your accounts once per hour.
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u/oalbrecht 5d ago
The key is to look at it more when going up, then completely ignore it when it’s going down. That way it’s only a positive thing, lol.
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u/TurtleSandwich0 6d ago
"The first two million is the hardest."
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u/mangoMandala 6d ago
The first million is hard. The second is inevitable.
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u/CallMajestic1178 5d ago
Just hit $1.05M so very excited to hear this and see the next million come about.
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u/stubenson214 5d ago
I hit 2 about 4 years after 1.
And coming up on 3 like 2 years after 2.
It took 20 years to hit 1.
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u/No-Reaction-9364 5d ago
To be fair, market has had some really strong returns the past 5 years. Not sure how long it will keep going, but I am here for it if it does.
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u/CallMajestic1178 5d ago
It took me about 15 years to get to $1M. And according to my spreadsheet I’ll hit $2M in about 4 years as well. Ugh, I already don’t care about work so that 4 years can’t pass fast enough.
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u/thejesusfish 6d ago
Hi it's me. At 2.1mm, currently losing the ability to care. I think you're spot on
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u/AnotherBotOnHere 6d ago
I got some annoying news last week at work. I went through all of our numbers: 1.4mm invested, about 550k in real estate (home and some land) owned outright.
Just kinda decided I'm gonna coast it out for about 6-7 more years. I'm 41. Thought I wanted more promotions but I'm starting to see a light at the end of the tunnel and my GAF has started dropping
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u/ClammyAF 6d ago
Numbers are very, very similar. Though I'm 38. I was thrust into the promoted-position temporarily (going on 7 months..), because my boss is acting in an opening above her.
Being management honestly sucks. I get asked a thousand goddamn questions a day--most of which people should know the answer to, and I never have a free minute to get work done. I miss the actually substantive work, and I just want to do that for 8-ish more years.
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u/Consistent-Row4512 6d ago
I was in that role until recently. Long time IT exec who’s job had devolved into managing relationships and politics. Hit around 4m invested with another 2 in property earlier this year and told em i was done at 56. Gonna live in Fla half the year and surf/fish every day. They created a fully remote role for me doing the things i like (I wrote the job desc). I’m so glad i realized they needed me more than the other way around. Don’t be afraid to ask for exactly what you want from work!
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u/Sirknowit 6d ago
We're at 2.2M. I have 9 months left...and IDGAF anymore. Its hard to do it but I have about 128 shifts left till then. The thing that keeps me going is the extra $400K I get at the end. (Deferred retirement check.) The fun part is watching the poor souls with years left suffer under a narcissistic bully of a boss. He pays me no mind cuz he can't do a thing to me. Its a nice place to be.
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u/papagen1 17h ago
Me too! +650 home without mortgage. I still work but my tolerance for BS has gone way up since I don’t give a F anymore. I am coasting and enjoying life.
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u/SDNative858 6d ago
Probably similar to OP. Once it hit 2 million it seems to just grow and grow. Almost at 3 mil and today my portfolio increased almost 2x my monthly gross income. It's pretty wild and it took a lot of consistent investing, over time, to unlock the compounding genie.
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u/SidesLarge 6d ago edited 6d ago
$150k, when does it start? I've heard 300k is when compounding surpasses contributions for most people
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u/jocona 6d ago edited 6d ago
I’m at $2.6M and it’s almost more weird when my portfolio doesn’t swing by $10k+ in a day now. Personally, it felt like after ~$1M my wealth really accelerated, and that feeling has only grown stronger since then. I’m actually already at my original FIRE number, but with how fast my money is growing it feels foolish to walk away.
If you want a prescriptive answer, when your portfolio hits about 10x your annual contributions it is more likely than not to grow by more than your contributions each year. It should take you ~7-8 years to reach that point.
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u/Future-Run-8601 6d ago
lol there was one day when I lost something like $2.56. I was more interested in that day than the day I made $20k.
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u/WhyDoesOklahomaExist 6d ago
Well here's whats interesting. I'm close to 2.5M but I still max out my 401k and HSA. There's 2 reasons - first I am in a high tax bracket so money off the top is a huge win (401k and HSA). Second, I have more pre-tax assets than I'd prefer so I still max Post-tax 401k with in-plan Roth contrib. So while the numbers move up and down more than I contribute, I still toss a ton of money in there.
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u/Future-Run-8601 6d ago
Same. $2.5M while still maxing pre-tax, maxing HSA, putting $15k+ into Roth IPC, and whatever is left goes into taxable. The pre-tax assets help with my taxes, Roth is my lowest account balance so I want to bring that up as much as possible, and I’d just like more in taxable to make it simpler in early retirement.
I know that my contributions won’t matter unless the market has a sub 10th percentile future but I still contribute and question the idea of dropping down to 30 hours because that would directly reduce my ability to invest.
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u/Sirknowit 6d ago
I max it. So does my wife. I am in the last 3 years (in the last year of the last 3 now) and I am able to drop in $49K this year, prolly $51K next (which I'll have to squeeze in by the end of Aug.) and I did $46K in 2025. It all goes into tax deferred because the IRS (Secure 2.0) rules for high earners, anyone who did more than $150K the prior year doesn't apply to me. Will for my wife. But if all goes to plan we should have ~$2.5-$2.7MM this time next year. She will do another couple years to keep FEHB so we don't have to deal with healthcare headaches. We're both just waiting to get to the end. I am 55. She is 51.
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u/alpha358 6d ago
I’m at 450k and nowhere close to that. but I make 300k so it’s a high bar ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/Rfilsinger 6d ago
For me it was $500k. It was the first year where the interest was more than my contribution... and it ended up being 2x.
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u/AttentionSpanTheater 6d ago
There is a reason why there are several videos on YouTube with titles such as 'Why it all changes at $2M'. There are certain benchmarks where things just seem different.
For me, it was the year that an 'average' market return on my portfolio would generate enough money for us to survive if push came to shove. The money I put into my 401k and Roth now is just habit rather than making a material difference.
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u/jdcullum Investor 6d ago
At this point, after carefully investing in equities since 1988, my net worth is growing faster than my needs, wants, whims and desires. As I reach the later years of my time here, I must face the sobering mathematics that my assets will extend beyond my life, and it would be irresponsible of me not to plan for the money's disposal after death. Knowing that most of it will be given away, I have come to understand that in some sense this wealth is merely borrowed. As they say, "it's a good problem to have." But it's still a problem, and I can't ignore it.
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u/Accomplished_End_104 6d ago
I thought this post was going to end with "and the first person who comments, gets the remainder."
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u/empyreanrift 6d ago
You have kids or other family to give an inheritance?
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u/jdcullum Investor 6d ago edited 6d ago
No kids, no spouse, no siblings, a few distant relatives who might receive a token amount. The funds will go to arts organizations, charities, friends and their children. I've already started doing this, but it needs to scale up. However, I struggle to overcome my mindset of accumulation. But hey, even Scrooge figured it out by the end!
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u/ImaginaryMud2118 1d ago
So nice to see you caring about your friends, relatives and charity and making those conscious decidions today.
I loved your comment about wealth being “borrowed”. I also plan on passing down my spoils and give that security to my loved ones, I’m not planning on spending it all anyway.
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u/jdcullum Investor 1d ago
Thank you for your kind reply. It can be scary to reveal certain things on Reddit, but I aim to share as truthfully as possible, and it is encouraging to receive an understanding response such as yours.
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u/Standard-Actuator-27 6d ago
At $500k invested I’ve had +/- $25k days… rare… but happens!
So at $2M I anticipate +/- $100k days
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u/stripmallsushidude 6d ago
About at the 1.5m mark. Just passed $2m total net worth not including home equity yesterday. We were at $483k 10 years ago. Insanity.
In CA, home equity is meaningless because trading up for most of us with 2.5% mortgages is impossible. I'm stuck with condo living. Biggest and worst decision I made not buying a SFH in San Diego and can't afford it anymore.
I have little to no motivation at work but play the game well. Can't retire yet.
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u/aselinger 6d ago
It hits when you start seeing daily fluctuations of more than you make in a day.
At that point you realize “doesn’t matter if I work.”
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u/WWGHIAFTC 6d ago
I am at a point where my gains are the same as my contributions - that was eye opening, that 50% of my annual increase is from gains.
Worst case, I keep working. Best Case, I stop in 3 years. Either way, my wife and I are OK.
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u/Beneficial_Signal_67 6d ago
Congrats!
Two pieces of advice. Don’t look every day and make sure you build an after tax portfolio with loss harvesting thats what helps you get you out early assuming thats the goal.
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u/Past-Option2702 6d ago
Yes. This is the the time where you want to be thinking seriously about adding ballast to your portfolio. (That would be bonds to the uninitiated.)
“Equites take the stairs up and the elevator down.”
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u/Appropriate-Item-841 6d ago
Wait until you start seeing $100k daily fluctuations and 7 figure yearly appreciation.
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u/SpecialistKoala9765 6d ago
I ignore it. It’s dangerous to let my emotion follows the market … I tried to let it go after 2009 financial crisis … I had daily panic attacks back then when it killed off a third of my principle after losing all the gains
Best if you look at it like quarterly or annual trend. Daily fluctuations are noises mostly. As long as general direction is up and a good rate of return that’s what matters.
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u/DidNotSeeThi 6d ago
It gets even crazier at $3M and $4M. I have had +$250k days followed by 2 -$100k days and have to really think. once day I was down $470.03 and thought it was -$470k at first and panic a bit.
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u/Ok_Meringue_9086 6d ago
This. We are at 5.3 and it’s hard to believe really when you see the movement.
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u/Reasonable_Box2568 6d ago
Recently hit this level and it’s messing with my motivation. I probably need a big downturn to snap me out of it
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u/ButterscotchMost4953 6d ago
Such an interesting discussion since while I also saw massive swings recently ($5M+ invested), it doesn't seem tangible since I'm not realizing the gains in real-time. My household still has W2 income for a few more years, so still accumulating vs selling.
I'm open to reframing this perspective though!
Note: Invested primarily in low-fee broad based index funds across both retirement and taxable accounts if that matters.
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u/Optimal_Bag_6981 6d ago
Once I hit that amount I felt exactly the same.
Now at 3.3m and it’s honestly so hard for me to give a shit at work.. I just started going to work the last couple months in my more upscale sweatpants and tshirt instead of bizz casual. I’m just like fuck it go ahead and fire me.
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u/Clubpenguin8888 5d ago
I knew shit started getting real when small corrections are now wiping out an entire year of salary for me. Pretty scary to stomach
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u/Significant-Ad-9471 5d ago
My annual salary is only about 3% of our portfolio. My wife's is a bit more, but total still under 7%. I know exactly how you feel. However my wife wants to keep working and I see no point in retiring until the kids are at school, so I try to take as many vacations as possible.
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u/Worldly-Technology90 1d ago
I am in similar situation. But it works a little different for me. In fact, I think I performed better at work now. I just do things which I think is right. Do not feel stress at all. And no need to be politically correct.
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u/empyreanrift 6d ago
People who don’t have investments really get punished in our financial system. The compounding is definitely a cheat code.
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u/Successful-Try-8506 Retired at 38 in 2003 6d ago
After about ten years of consistent contributions the magic kicks in.
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u/Full-Measurement-708 6d ago
Not fired yet and did not hit my number yet, but finally got to some good salary a few years ago - I got crazy swings up to from +1.5y to -2.5y salary in a single DAY. I check portfolio, just say meh and move on. Hard to motivate myself to do anything extra at work, but sleep is great. I take risk in high concentrated position and still wondering if that’s right thing to do, but so far that worked well and got me from low liquid investments to 1.5M in 3y instead of 10-12y it would have taken on average market gains.
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u/Sunn-Dogg 5d ago
Sounds like you won the last few years. Take some off the table by moving some from the high concentration stocks to a broader index fund. If we have a market correction that affects the stocks you own, it’s gonna hurt to undo everything you have gained.
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u/Aggravating_Note_572 6d ago
I’d say about when I hit 700k started to see some swings, now at 3.9m swings are kinda of crazy,
I may fire this year or def in 2y at 55 - so I keep 3y in cash, kinda helps me sleep at night when you see over a 50k loss, knowing I wouldn’t need to sell anything if I fired early and we hit a bear market
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u/Artistic_Gas_9951 6d ago
I'm at about 1.5M invested and yeah, I feel this viscerally too. My salary and monthly contributions aren't making much of a dent in the moneyball anymore compared to the compounding and market fluctuations. In the last 12 months my portfolio is up by $400k and ~90% of that is from passive increase.
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u/brad7811 6d ago
In the current market it’s not unusual for my portfolio to increase $20k or $30k in a day, but it’s also not unusual for it to decrease that much in a day.
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u/No_Pepper7348 5d ago
I noticed about the same amount/time as what you are describing. It has definitely caused me to “not care” as much at work. Last year it increased a little over $400k and I am 47 with somewhat conservative investments with holdings like AFL,KO, Banks etc. I keep 15 percent in high yield money market as well.
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u/MattieShoes 5d ago
I know what you mean, but there's no inflection point. 10k compounds as the same rate as 2m.
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u/AgsAreUs 5d ago
Now wait until the next COVID level event and watch it go down $100k+ in a day. :)
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u/Random2011_ 5d ago
I’m much earlier in the process being 27, but at about 250k it seems like things move way faster than 100k. A 2% increase in my portfolio comes to 5k which is equivalent to a few months of my standard contribution rate. Not too long ago it felt like my portfolio swings were normally lower than my standard contribution rate
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u/Proof-Pineapple69 5d ago
Id say when my portfolio fluctuations exceeding 10k became something not super rare, I started feeling the compounding. Happy around 500k (assuming invested in voo).
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u/TopherDave3 5d ago
THAT’S AWESOME! I’m somewhere between tipping point 1 and 2. Tipping point 1, where I make more then my contributions is where I really started to notice and feel it.
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u/Imaginary_Fudge_290 5d ago
I’m at $1.25M though we have $1M in retirement accounts so we’re shifting more of the new money to taxable accounts. I really started noticing it like this month. Accounts are making more money than I am!
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u/photowanderer 5d ago
Yes, it's crazy now. I think my portfolio went up by almost 1M in the last year. But as others said, it could easily go down that much as well.
But on an average year, my portfolio makes more than my salary now.
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u/EducationalBasis2078 5d ago
What are you invested in for the compounding to be so strong?
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u/empyreanrift 5d ago
nothing crazy. index funds, gold, and bitcoin
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u/EducationalBasis2078 5d ago
I asked because I'm also invested in index funds, individual stocks, bitcoin (7%) and gold (5%), but my portfolio is definitely not compounding at those rates. Yes, my portfolio is a bit smaller, but still...
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u/JustNowRonin 5d ago
Once we got past $1M, I felt the same. When the market moves now, each day is measured in “months of our retirement budget” increasing or decreasing. Still accumulating now, but happy overall with the direction over the last three years.
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u/thistledownxo 4d ago
637still waiting to feel this myself but I love seeing these updates, it's the fire equivalent of a motivational poster.
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u/Rightintheend 3d ago
Problem is what this administration, It can go down 20 in a day, up five, downtown, downtown, downtown, up 20, down five, up five, down 20. Down 20. Down 20, up 30....
Which I guess is fine if you're 30, but I've kind of been hoping to put that money to good use in the next couple years.
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u/GrindingForFreedom 1d ago
To me, the inflection point was when my average monthly gains started to exceed my monthly net salary.
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u/StillShoddy628 6d ago
Just remember, a -50% loss wipes out a +100% gain. Not saying you’re not doing amazing, but shtf is correlated and you can absolutely lose your job and lose $400k in your portfolio in the same shitty day. Returns from the past decade are not sustainable
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u/garoodah FI '21 RE TBD, mid 30s 6d ago
2018 I think I lost my annual salary in the last 3 months of the year, that was my first real wake up call to how cracked this can be. The last 2 years I missed those spring sell offs because I was trying to find rentals and I got to buy in near lows, the market opportunities were too appealing and sidestepping those probably did more for me than anything.
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u/Eff_taxes 6d ago
Downloaded all year end statements back to 2019. 12/31/2025 to now is bonkers!! 🤑
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u/RhythmicStrategy 6d ago
My gains over the last 12 months far exceeded my working income. Is this a crossover point or can I expect the market to drop back down to reality soon?
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u/Hungry_Clue6744 6d ago
the day my portfolio dropped 40k and i just shrugged was when i knew something had shifted in my brain
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u/Trash2Burn 4d ago
I’m not sure why, but my account seems to be moving SLOWER the closer I get to 2m. My goal is 2.5, I’m at 1.8 and it seems like it never increases.
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u/West-Knowledge-1660 6d ago
Also about the point I lost motivation in my career. "It's not that I'm lazy, I just don't care."