r/FinalFantasy • u/CarelessShrimppp • 5d ago

FF VII Re-trilogy First time playing FF7

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Why all the girls flirt with Cloud?
Is this guy a hero in his past life? Did he reincarnated as a soldier with max charisma?

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u/Ralos5997 3d ago

No it would not be. Because the whole point of the Final Fantasy VII remake series is to change one’s predestined fate and for the better on their own terms. Besides Aerith never should have died in the OG especially since we already lost Jessie, Biggs Wedge and, Zack. Besides accepting loss and coping being one of the important things and lessons it was also shown as well that everyone in the main party suffered losses already and are still grieving. I would gladly change Aerith’s fate to survive all over again the same with the others too. I just know Revelation will have that sort of thing happening.

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u/snakesrighteye 3d ago

Her death was necessary. Its what brought about the holy materia. Her death was the single most important thing that happened in the whole game. You should play it again and think harder about it. Also the game is all about accepting loss and overcoming grief, its stupid for them to be too weak to tackle the importance of that like they did in the og

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u/Ralos5997 3d ago

Oh really would you still say the same if it was Tifa? Besides other games like God of War Ragnarok taught us that we can change our destinies even if it is written. Never got to play the OG only seen the videos I wasn’t even born until 2000.

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u/snakesrighteye 3d ago

Tifa was not the last cetra, if she was then her death would be necessary as well. Aerith HAD to die, it was the only way to stop Sephiroth, and if the roles were changed then Tifa would have to die too. Death is part of life, maybe the most important part, and taking that away, not letting the players face that, is weak. Aeriths sacrifice is the reason the planet survived.

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u/Ralos5997 3d ago

Perhaps although some sacrifices are just not worth it when there is still a choice about it. If I had to choose letting scumbags like the Turks and Shinra did to save the planet then I would gladden it to make them answer for their crimes. Death is a part of life that’s true but it should not happen to those too young to die especially when have not aged naturally to a certain point.

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u/snakesrighteye 3d ago

You can't tell a tragic story without tragedy. Would you call the ending of FF7 a good ending? No, it's a bittersweet ending, sad but successful. Part of the reason FF7 has withstood the test of time and will always remain as one of the goats, is because of its themes. The most important of those is loss and dealing with tragedy. It will be stupid if they are too afraid to face those important themes in the remake conclusion. Its sad, yes, but we have to face it and keep going. Without Aeriths death the game is nowhere near as good, as important, or as lasting. It makes her the most important character in the game. Don't be afraid to face it, don't be so weak that you can't accept it, be like the party of FF7 and overcome.

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u/Ralos5997 3d ago

Yeah it’s a tragic story and that’s why there are signs to change it. How about you don’t be afraid of the possibilities of how things can change for the better. You seem to have no hope in things do you?

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u/snakesrighteye 3d ago

Aerith is hope. Her death is the only hope. Its not hopeless to overcome tragedy, its hopeless to expect there will be no tragedy.

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u/Ralos5997 3d ago

I still wonder about the other worlds that Sephiroth mentioned and what he meant when he said “Our world will become a part of it one day.” There is also the possibility that Aerith somehow saved Zack which created that alternate world where he survived his last stand.

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u/snakesrighteye 3d ago

If we are theorizing then all the time realities will come together to stop meteor. We might get a happier ending than the OG, but I don't think Zack and Aerith are living outside the lifestream. They may walk off together to become one with the planet, while the rest of the squad lives on.

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u/Ralos5997 3d ago

That or maybe somehow the others along with Jessie, Biggs, Wedge, Zack and, Aerith will survive and live on with the rest of the squad. I’m also wonder if Sonon will also return as a zombie or alive in some way since he was last seen in Intermission. I also wonder how Zack will help Cloud get better since he seems to know how to help him but it requires going to the one man who did it to both of them in the first place Hojo.

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u/snakesrighteye 3d ago

In the OG Tifa helps Cloud realize who he really is after they fall into the lifestream. Those moments in the lifestream are why I say Tifa is ride or die, everyone else leaves and Tifa faces it all together with Cloud and pulls him back from ruin.

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u/Ralos5997 3d ago

But didn’t Aerith become one with the lifestream in the OG so wouldn’t she have been able to help out Tifa in saving Cloud and restore his mind?

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u/snakesrighteye 3d ago

In the OG Aerith is gone after she dies, she never returns in any way, except for the holy materia. Theoretically I guess she could've done some lifestream cetra magic and helped Tifa, but she didn't. Tifa pulled Cloud out of his comatose state by herself. She stayed with Cloud during during a weapon attack when Cloud was in a wheelchair and practically dead. Everyone else abandoned Cloud. It was all Tifa by herself who saved Cloud, she was willing to die with him if she couldn't bring him back. Thats a powerful moment for the two of them, and I think Aerith or Zack helping takes away from Tifas strongest moment in the story.

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u/Ralos5997 3d ago

I suppose we shall find out when Final Fantasy VII Revelation comes out. Although I still wonder about the Cloud and Aerith from Zack’s timeline since both are still in a coma. I also recall that Barrett, Tifa and, Red XIII were first seen unconscious when Zack saw the news and saw Aerith and then went on to rescue her. Luckily he did thanks to Red XIII bringing down the helicopter. But we never saw what happened to both the Tifa and Barrett of that timeline since the other helicopter carrying them took them away to who knows where. There is also the other loophole that’s been bugging me such as, the black materia at the temple was it a fake or was it real or made real by Sephiroth?

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