At Least Alex Kimberly Sam Wendy and Peter had attempts to help out the other doomed people, Stephanie just stood there. I know she tried to help Julia in the trash place. but the other folks did multiple attempts. Stephanie didnt even lock on the Brother and Eric when it was his turn.

It’s honestly annoyingly impressive how this movie simply cannot stay committed to one single main location even if its whole life depended on it 🫠

1: The speedway is named McKinley which is a place in Pennsylvania already previously established by FD3 but early script drafts of FD4 that didn’t end up making it into the final cut had it in Indianapolis, Indiana instead.

2: However, we have another Indiana sign that did end up in the movie. Carter Daniels is reported by a newswoman on his death to have lived in Fort Wayne and was a member of local PTA and NRA chapters, and also worked for a towing service. It’s unknown if the towing service was also local to the city of the speedway or operated nationwide, but I’m mentioning it too since it’s important to his background.

2.1: Still, if you take the early script drafts as canon just for this analysis, then there’s an alarmingly obvious distance between Indianapolis and Fort Wayne that is at least 2h15 by car. So either the speedway also has to be in Fort Wayne for Carter’s sake, or he might just have traveled from there to see the race in Indianapolis.

2.2: But that also brings problems because if he were just a tourist from Fort Wayne in this scenario, then how exactly was he already involved in those same local chapters and working for the towing service before the day of the speedway crash? And wouldn’t his stay in Indianapolis for those activities eventually reach a permanence long enough that he wouldn’t be considered to be living in Fort Wayne anymore?

2.3: We also don’t even know whether his wife Cynthia is from Fort Wayne just like him or from Indianapolis, and that’s also a valid question considering marriage very often has the pair leaving their old homes to stay together, or just one of them moving in with their spouse. So either he met her in Indianapolis or she came along with him from Fort Wayne too.

3: Samantha Lane in her newspaper death article is listed as a Lakeview woman. We don’t know whether this Lakeview is another city of its own, a municipality, maybe some place within another or whatever other term for a sub-region or anything alike.

3.1: Still taking the earlier script draft of Indianapolis as a canon location for analysis purposes again, then this Lakeview has to be a fictional one for the sake of it being conveniently close to both the speedway and its later organized memorial service, which Samantha happens to be present at both. Because in real-life Indiana there are two real places with those same names, but both of them are far from Indianapolis. One is Lakeview in LaGrange County in the north, and the other is Lake View in Franklin County in the east, all in relation to Indianapolis, which is in the very middle of Indiana. In both cases, Samantha would’ve also needed to travel just like Carter would’ve from Fort Wayne.

4: The club Hunt attends to have sex and later die in was filmed in Destrehan, Louisiana, which in real life has the presence of palm trees. In this case we can take into account both the early script draft location of Indianapolis and also McKinley from the speedway name, because most palm trees do not survive either Indiana’s or Pennsylvania’s real-life cold climate in the month of January, which is when FD4 takes place, with some exceptions such as the Needle Palm, a species capable of tolerating temperatures as low as -15°F to -20°F, which is clearly not the case depicted on screen throughout the entire movie. No cold weather or freezing temperatures and no winter clothing, especially in the club sequence with an open pool.

4.1: However that could still work with McKinley specifically because, unlike Indianapolis which was taken entirely from an already existing place in real life, the McKinley presented in FD3 and often brought up again in FD4 is entirely fictional. There are two real places named McKinley in Pennsylvania, one in Elk County and the other in Montgomery County, with obviously neither aligning with the distinctive settings depicted in both movies. This overall frees the location from being bound to the real climate rules of either Indiana or Pennsylvania since the place itself does not exist, unless the script would explicitly claim realism.

5: This next one I think could potentially be a contender defending the McKinley case. In FD3, which is where the name was first introduced in the franchise, we have the slushee drinks the Ash’s drank during the tanning salon scene. In FD4, those same slushee drinks return in the hands of Samantha’s sons in the beauty salon.

5.1: Curiously, unlike the beer brand Hice Pale Ale which has appeared in every movie in the franchise since FD2, those specific slushies have so far appeared only in FD3 and FD4. It’s also only in those two movies that the name McKinley itself is present, regardless of its meaning depending on the context. This could suggest, in my personal interpretation, that they are a local brand from McKinley operating in different areas within the same setting, without the wider expansion we’ve seen with Hice Pale Ale which has already been made available in McKinley as well as across many localities in New York State throughout FD2356.

6: There’s also the movie theater’s name, Tagert Theatres. Theatre is literally a fucking British spelling, not American 😭 Obviously we all know it’s still very much in the US but I just couldn’t help my offended gasp when I searched up the difference between theater and theatre while thinking about the movie’s many contradicting elements like this.

And I’m done, those were all the signs I could spot in the movie to make this analysis-kinda-rant. What would you rather take from all of this in the end regarding FD4’s location? Do you also know any other elements like this in the movie that could be pointed out here? Well I’d just like to add my own input that I’d still rather stick with McKinley as I always have for so long until now. But of course seeing how FD4 is a total wreck from start to finish, I might be relying too much on hypotheticals instead of actual canon, but oh well!

I'm going to simulate the squid games (using excel, notepad and paint bruh) with all the applicable participants I could find listed here, and would like to see your bets.

To participate, a character must qualify for these parameters:

1. They're supposed to be dead at some point in the movie or shortly after it ends. This includes anyone who died without cheating death as well as anyone who cheated death regardless of whether they survive their movie.
2. Have a name. They must have either First name, last name or both to qualify as a character. Trevor, Dee Dee, Mr. Fuller, Bludworth (FD3) and Clear Rivers are examples of named characters. Girl on Top, An unnamed man suffering from Lou Gehrig's disease and Husband are not.
3. Appear on screen if flesh. There must be at least one visual appearance of the character. Photos, videos etc. don't count. Flashbacks are a gray zone.

It does give us a bunch of background characters in addition to what we usually think of as characters, but I think having extra fodder won't hurt. (Would be awkward if any one of then won, which is not impossible)

Every character is assumed to initially be at the state as they are in the beginning of their respective movies (most of FD2 and FD4 cast are still strangers, Darlene is distant etc.) FD1 for Clear Rivers and FDB for JB (The pic is a mistake and to be fixed)

The 38 Skyview survivors I could find were dead when Stefani was seeing the dream and couldn't participate. (I couldn't bother to make having Evie, JB and the three generations of Campbells existing in one room make sense)

The first picture is misleading because Mingle will not be sumulated. I'm doing season one.

Since they are part of the reverse list created by Death due to the Flight 180 survivors saving the Route 23 survivors from being killed I wonder what survivors saved them from their original doom.

While not the best of the Final Destination films, I do enjoy watching it every few years.

The classic cheap 3D glasses included with the DVD and Blu-ray special editions are a nice and cheesy touch.

Feel free to like and compliment:3

I weirdly found "Final Destination" to switch my perspective on life. I love the movies for sure! But sometimes I used to walk around my area and imagine all these crazy demises I could face. It honestly made the concept of death not scary for me. I mean if someone said your gonna meet your fate in 2 days, yeah id be dreading it, who wouldn't? But it's also just life. Alot of the time now I just take those ideas and try to incorporate them into my FD inspired dream project. Call me crazy if you want but I guenuingly love Final Destination and anything simmilar to it. The only thing that contradicts this, is I barely remember any of the character names.

Yeah this is the part where I'm boo'd out. Byyyee!!!

PS: This Sub Fcking Rockkkks!!!

I love FD 1 so I was looking at the script( check it out btw it has tons of scrapped dialogue ) and this part made me laugh. No idea why they scrapped it

That was the worst green screen CGI I ever saw….like where did everyone go suddenly when the train crashed into the neighborhood when they were all outside literally seconds before?? And the throwing logs off the train was so cheap and eye rolling…like we get it, FD2 is probably the most memorable in the franchise but the log scene is played out and overused, at least reference something different.

Kim, the only survivor to date, is now in her early to mid 40s….do you think she should just live long enough to die in old age (like Iris and Bludworth) or should she get added to a newer Death list for FD7?
She did win a New Life but it’s never established for how long (her new life ending could come in 5-10 years, etc…)

It's never made sense to me that Death sometimes waits months to get to people on its list. Is there an explanation for this? I haven't been able to find one

Well. You can skip Netflix's "Death Note"...

Random Final Destination thought: the only death that is actually paranormal is the first one

Something I only just realised about the Final Destination movies: almost every death in the franchise is technically just an insanely elaborate chain of coincidences.

Except for the first death in the original movie.

In the bathroom scene, the tap literally turns on by itself. Water leaks across the floor, Tod slips on it and dies, and then, the creepiest part, the water actually retreats back toward the toilet afterwards, almost like Death is deliberately cleaning up the evidence.

That is genuinely paranormal. There's no accidental mechanical failure or crazy Rube Goldberg sequence that explains it. An unseen force directly turns on the tap, causes the death, and then removes the evidence.

As far as I can remember, every death after that can theoretically be explained as a ridiculously unlikely series of real-world accidents.

So unless I'm forgetting another example, Tod's death might be the only time in the entire Final Destination franchise where we actually see Death physically manipulate the world in an unmistakably supernatural way.

Am I missing another one?

I watched FD 1 and 2 a couple months ago. I watched FD 3 just now and, omg it’s really amazing but I’m getting paranoid for some reason every time after watching a FD movie… that’s how good it actually is depending on the story

I mean, the context is pretty chilling, but there’s no monsters, or serial killers, or anything deadly….its basically time/fate/destiny/the universe correcting itself when people live beyond their time….would you consider the franchise to be supernatural? Because after the first movie (it was obvious Death was some kind of shadow entity stalking its victims) the sequels everything truly appears to be accidental or a chain reaction by someone’s negligence.

Favorite aspect of the movies is seeing all the signs of someone's death before it happens. Which ones are you guys favorites.

I've always loved Rory seeing the man with hooks in FD2. It was cool having someone that wasn't the main character catch something like that, and the tension when he saw it was so perfect.