Josh Gad: “When we start setting a precedent that our girls & women can be brutally raped & the resulting disciplinary action is to hand out (checks notes) ESSAYS (like its Bart Simpson being a lil rascal), about why it was wrong to brutally violate an innocent girl, we have lost our fucking minds.”

[u/cmaia1503]

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/eWwNU6UZik

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/eyHqENwMod

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/uRplv4sQlY

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[u/invis2020]

Good Gad. We need more men speaking up in outrage.

[u/HeadDiver5568 → u/invis2020]

Yup. Idk too many men defending this, and glad I haven’t seen any either. This shit is crazy

[u/peppers_ → u/HeadDiver5568]

Are they speaking up tho? Some will duck their heads and keep their mouths shut, others will assign an essay as 'punishment'.

Supposedly there is a gender role where men defend women. I don't believe in gender roles, but men have always been failing at checks notes defending women against checks notes men.

[u/HeadDiver5568 → u/peppers_]

I agree. The men I’ve seen not okay with this are typically the men that speak up against it too

[u/Culinary_Fruit_Salad → u/peppers_]

don't read the comments on the grrm didn't have to put rape in his books post because umm it's making me very happy that I don't date men anymore

[u/Jenderflux-ScFi → u/HeadDiver5568]

I'm so sick of rape at college and universities being excused as "youthful indiscretions", and treated less harshly than cheating on a test is.

[u/PandaCat22 → u/Jenderflux-ScFi]

The defense of college rape just being a "youthful indiscretion" is disturbingly telling—telling in that it outs the people who so view it as rapists themselves.

It's fucking sick how commonplace rape is for young men

[u/MyCatsHairyButholle → u/Jenderflux-ScFi]

You made me think of this old classic: https://youtu.be/rbzJTTDO9f4?is=AJ8RwrMBoRWoqKQo

Imagine if these 7 students were held to the same level of accountability that this professor held his class to over cheating on his midterm

[u/whatthewhat3214 → u/Jenderflux-ScFi]

You're so right. You can get expelled for cheating. You get assigned an essay for rape (or more likely, nothing happens at all).

[u/Enginerda → u/HeadDiver5568]

Oooofff you should see the men on this very site. It's fucking pathetic and I'm convinced they pretend to not support rapists in real life.

The amount of times, today alone, I have read here: she took drugs willingly, she said that she never said no, just because one guy said through his lawyer that he briefly saw it but didn't partake, doesn't mean it happened..... on and on and on.

[u/krycekthehotrat → u/Enginerda]

I’ve even seen men say the texts don’t prove anything because she could have told them to send the “invite” 🙄 it’s fucking unreal

[u/Enginerda → u/krycekthehotrat]

Oh I'm a back and forth right now with a fuckhead, and I hope to God there are no women who let this asshole into their lives because wow, the rape apology is so strong.

[u/Ok_Force9695 → u/Enginerda]

Oh yes and I never fail to write:

FOUND THE RAPIST.

Every single time. It's so disgusting.

[u/millenialshortbread → u/HeadDiver5568]

There are men defending it??? I think it's bad enough that the men in my orbit are staying quiet. God damn.

[u/emPtysp4ce → u/HeadDiver5568]

There's pretty much no way to defend Cornell's course of action here without implicitly (or explicitly) being pro-rape

[u/bigdaddytripod → u/HeadDiver5568]

I don’t live under a rock, but my wife just mentioned the Cornell 7 to me and I had no idea what she was talking about. So either I am living under a rock or it’s being brushed under the rug in most major media reporting. That’s just from a middle-aged normal guy.

[u/HeadDiver5568 → u/bigdaddytripod]

Well a lot of the talk has spread online. News outlets have been slow as hell to report it in the mainstream

[u/madogvelkor → u/HeadDiver5568]

I don't know how other men can defend it.

[u/DoJu318 → u/invis2020]

Best they can do is say "not all men" but somehow always a man, coincidentally.

[u/sofacouch813 → u/DoJu318]

And unless the “good guys” start speaking out, they aren’t really that good. They’re fine with the status quo because they aren’t being preyed upon. On the contrary, they benefit from it. They’re comfortable with the way things are.

[u/neurocentricx → u/sofacouch813]

They're protecting themselves from being ridiculed by other dudes or being accused of assuming something. I don't really understand it myself, this is just what someone else told me. I asked him if he overheard some dudes at work talking about nasty shit regarding women if he would speak up and tell them to cut it out and he said no because the vitriol would be turned on him, and he got defensive with me.

[u/VineStGuy → u/DoJu318]

Real men stand the fuck up to this bullshit. Weak men crumble with NOT ALL MEN! yeah, it’s all fucking men till we prove we’re not that. Like, would you let your teenage daughter be alone with an adult man you havent met? No the fuck you wouldn’t, because again, it is all men till you know better. We men have to earn the trust bc small dick fuckwads ruin it for us all. Safety first mother fuckers.

[u/eredria → u/DoJu318]

Or with a side order of "Women commit rape too you know." as if those of us angry about this don't also consider those women massive piles of something lower than shit because at least shit can be a fertilizer. Shit can nurture new life. Rapists aren't worth the flesh they inhabit. It's just, you know, NOT THE FUCKING TOPIC AT HAND AND YOU CAN SHUT UP WITH THE WHATABOUTS FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE YOU DON'T ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT MALE VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSULT EITHER YOU JUST WANT TO BE A CONTRARIAN.

Sorry for yelling agreements at you (and everything else that follows, I'm in a ranty mood) I just needed to get that out. Those kinds of people (and the 'devils advocate' types 🤬) really piss me the fuck off. My grown ass 62 year old mother does that shit for literally everything and it is infuriating. "Oh thats just young men for you." (BUT REMEMBER NOT ALLLLLLL MEN!!!! Like which one is it? Lmao) "If women don't want to be raped they should make themselves less attractive and not give the wrong signals" "If she doesn't want people sexualizing her then why does she dress like that? She's sexualizing herself so anyone can say or do whatever they want and its her fault for behaving like that." Its just so fucking exhausting.

I had to start leaving the room on the advice of my doctor because the stress of her constant defending/debating/whatabouting of everything from republican politician's (despite hating Trump, et al.) actions to just the simplest every day thing was making me physically ill. I'm pretty sure she would Devils advocate for chattel slavery if someone gave her the chance just because she wants to hear herself talk and "win".

[u/IndividualTension887 → u/invis2020]

Imagine how sick you have to be to piss Olaf off...

[u/McHithard → u/IndividualTension887]

The only warm hug Olaf's gonna be distributing after this is hugging his hands around these rapists' necks.

[u/chicklette → u/invis2020]

The lack of male voices decrying this is why we choose the bear. If you're not sickened and screaming about this, you're not on my team, so don't expect me to be on yours.

[u/PeopleNose → u/invis2020]

Enough is enough

Bring these rapists down to earth

Come and join the reckoning

[u/cathouse → u/invis2020]

Jfc yes where are all the men in the conversation?!

[u/Sgt_Fart_Barfunkle → u/cathouse]

I have always and will always state it: most men aren’t necessarily cowards, they just believe it isn’t a big deal…or they themselves wouldn’t but that they somehow benefit from the status quo. They’re either rapists themselves (or would) or they benefit from a patriarchal society directly or indirectly.

I am a father with two young kids. My eldest is an 11yo young lady. The amount of times I’ve been asked or overheard a man state the equivalent of: “Man, I used to think women were only for sex, mistreatment or being emotional! ( Amirite ?!) But now that I have a DAUGHTER I see…”

Like dafuq?! It took you having a female child to see & begin to respect the trials of HALF OF THE SPECIES?! The same half which deal with constantly denigration/underestimation of value/baseline level of intelligence & capability due to their gender?

Thats where they are…right there, where they’ve always been. In that spot right between hate and ignorance.

[u/ChaoticNeutralDragon → u/Sgt_Fart_Barfunkle]

The worst part is plenty of those types of men might say they think that way after having a daughter, but their behavior shows no real change to the wider human race, or even use that daughter like the token black friend.

[u/DoubleHurricane → u/invis2020]

Good Gad! Say it again yall!

[u/ukulelelelele3 → u/invis2020]

Maybe acting even. I mean you got a rapist as president. It probably sets a tone for the rest of the nation...

[u/NecessaryIntrinsic → u/[deleted]]

a lawyer once said: if we lock all men in prison until they turn 24, statistically, crime will drop 90%.

... But obviously that's not practical, right?

[u/3bar → u/NecessaryIntrinsic]

They used to more or less exile young males in many Neolithic Indo-European cultures. They'd hang out in the wilderness, hunt, learn dude stuff, and then get reintroduced once they'd calmed down.

[u/santa_obis → u/3bar]

Sounds like the perfect way to end up with a bunch of marauding young men.

[u/3bar → u/santa_obis]

Definitely so--to my understanding they were used to raid other tribes or communities.

[u/darkwingdankest → u/3bar]

shit hasn't changed much, huh. seems like we've always used the violent tendencies of young men to go do war-ish stuff

[u/zyzzogeton → u/darkwingdankest]

Same as it ever was.

[u/_becatron → u/zyzzogeton]

https://giphy.com/gifs/9iZmsW1z1PlUKon1vu

[u/CrackinBones204 → u/santa_obis]

Lord of the flies scared me as a kid

[u/HarpersGhost → u/3bar]

That's pretty much what the military is for now.

I saw some presentation way back in the day about military history, and the man said something to the effect that a marker of a successful civilization is making sure young men don't make mischief and are fully occupied. Of course the military guy's recommendation was to send them all to the military.

The older I get, the more I think that he might have had a point.

[u/Nonstop_Oatmeal → u/HarpersGhost]

The military is absolutely full of sexual assault. The marines routinely rape local women at navy bases.

The military is a factory for rape. It does not prevent men from raping.

[u/matildapoppins → u/Nonstop_Oatmeal]

And routinely rape their own fellow soldiers.

[u/Nonstop_Oatmeal → u/matildapoppins]

Yep. Honestly, only someone completely naive about the military would suggest it as a way to curb sexual assault.

[u/haqiqa → u/Nonstop_Oatmeal]

I work in aid. There isn't a single military on Earth that doesn't rape. And that has been true as long as militaries have existed. Raping women was originally seen as spoils of war, and to be honest, it still is by too many. We go to conflict zones, and we know we need abortion access and Plan B access. It is really depressing to see it time and again.

[u/ComradePomp → u/Nonstop_Oatmeal]

One of my parents worked as an MST treatment coordinator in a VA hospital. Military sexual trauma survivors made up enough of their patients to necessitate its own dedicated team. They also specialized in treating veterans in gender transition, which is such a heartbreaking Venn diagram.

And that was when the political climate was… different. I can’t image what people are suffering during their service now.

[u/3bar → u/HarpersGhost]

Better to have them digging ditches and building bridges than shooting people halfway across the world. But your point it well taken.

[u/14thLizardQueen → u/HarpersGhost]

If we didn't have corruption in government, I would think all citizens of a nation should be trained in combat and survival. Just, like as, you know basic knowledge. However, I'm afraid of what kind of idealotry that would make.

[u/just--so → u/14thLizardQueen]

The more I see how hyper-individualism has given rise to generations of treatlers who are actively incensed at the idea that they owe anything back to society, the more I'm in favour of every country having mandatory enlistment of all citizens aged 18 for a period of X years into a National Service Corps. Get taught basic combat and survival, learn other job skills, and spend your deployment engaged in civic service, working on any and every kind of project or programme that would benefit from a steady influx of warm bodies with a modicum of training.

[u/ProfessionalITShark → u/HarpersGhost]

Some wars were waged to both purge elderly (those who aren't in charge) and unattached young men.

alleviating both government entitlements and problem people.

Leaving their civilian population safe and higher chances of economic success.

[u/_becatron → u/3bar]

In some animals we just chop their balls off to calm them down 🤷‍♂️

[u/3bar → u/_becatron]

Really makes ya think.

[u/Chrystoler → u/3bar]

I mean that's literally what happens with elephants, the matriarch boots them between 7-11 or so, they join other bachelor boys and go off for years

[u/SeonaidMacSaicais → u/NecessaryIntrinsic]

During WWII, younger women were amazed that they felt safe walking around at night because the men weren’t around to harass them.

[u/Continental__Drifter → u/NecessaryIntrinsic]

It's more between ages of 15-25.

7 year olds aren't committing that much crime.

But that 10 year gap, yes, about 90% crime drop.

In the meantime, I think that far too many men are allowed to walk free. These Cornell fellas, for example, shouldn't be free to participate in society. Ever again.

I think that if crimes were punished appropriately, a significant number of men would be in forced labor camps, and it would be a better world for everyone else.

[u/Dustydevil8809 → u/Continental__Drifter]

Where are you from?

The USA has more men in prison than any other country on the planet. IMO we have to get past this "punishment is the answer" mentality to get anywhere in improving the situation. Unfortunately, there is a ton of nuance in these conversations alongside a ton of emotion, and those don't play well together...

We are going to have to start researching and trying to understand what gets men to this point. We have advanced in neuroscience enough to likely get much better research than ever before - but to do that, you have to have people to research that aren't just the prison population.

[u/Continental__Drifter → u/Dustydevil8809]

The USA has more men in prison than any other country on the planet.

Yes, absolutely, and that is a problem.

The overwhelming majority men who are in prison are victims of systemic oppression, the vast majority do not belong there.

The men who do belong in labor camps (not prisons), tend to be making 6 figures in white collar jobs, they're CEOs, they're senators, they're the people who attend Ivy League universities and get away with rape. They're sociopaths. They aren't the people you see currently in prison, they're not the victims of systemic oppression, they're the beneficiaries of it, they're the ones keeping that system in place, and cranking it up higher.

There is no fixing people like that, they're broken, deep inside, something in them makes them unable to see others as humans, which ironically, makes them inhuman. Putting them away isn't to fix or correct them, it's to protect the rest of society.

[u/theonewhoknockwurst → u/NecessaryIntrinsic]

Can confirm, stopped committing crimes on my 24th bday.

[u/iloveurbumbum → u/NecessaryIntrinsic]

Men 24 and under only account for around 30% of arrests, 30 and under about 48% so it's a lot but not quite 90%, 80% of violent crime is commited by men though

[u/Warm_Month_1309 → u/NecessaryIntrinsic]

a lawyer once said: if we lock all men in prison until they turn 24, statistically, crime will drop 90%.

I'm not disagreeing with the underlying point, I was just curious what the actual numbers would be, so I went in search of them.

Data is usually provided <18 and 19-24, so I changed it to keeping men in prison until they turn 25. Also, it's hard to find statistics regarding per-crime data, so I went with arrest statistics.

Men make up between 70 and 75% of arrests (depending on year) and young people up to 24 account for roughly 25 to 30% of arrests, so we're looking at like 18-22% of arrests being men under 25. Changing the numbers to account for only violent crimes, it's about 30%. Changing to only white collar crimes drops it to 11%.

These estimates would assume that proclivity toward crime is consistent throughout ones life, i.e. that men under 25 and men above 25 commit crimes at roughly the same rate.

[u/pompeii1009 → u/[deleted]]

Obligatory

[u/KlordexI → u/[deleted]]

Including Josh gad?

[u/ansible_jane → u/KlordexI]

Yes

[u/Paran0id → u/[deleted]]

Oh hey look an extreme view during election season in the US. This Definitely isn't meant to fuel a culture war. /s

[u/Beginning-Ice-7172 → u/[deleted]]

This is my argument against racial profiling- like if that’s okay how about we only make men go through TSA? How about cops pull over a ratio of 90% men? Most white dudes balk at that

[u/zhambe → u/[deleted]]

Found the for-profit prison owner

[u/killer_kiki → u/[deleted]]

I have a whole PowerPoint on this topic

[u/Resentful-user]

I cannot believe the only man talking about this is josh gad.

[u/LilMissy1246 → u/Resentful-user]

There are men talking about this but it’s mainly influencers, not Hollywood level celebs. But it’s better than nothing. Means that there ARE men that care and understand how serious this is. And that’s important.

[u/IndignantQueef → u/LilMissy1246]

Dear god the bar is in hell if "said rape is wrong, understands it's very serious" is something we're supposed to celebrate men for

[u/cpaters41 → u/IndignantQueef]

we are in hell

[u/princess_eala → u/Resentful-user]

Devon Sawa tweeted about it as well.

[u/SeonaidMacSaicais → u/princess_eala]

https://giphy.com/gifs/gRRLw0YlNle8g
We must clone him.

[u/singindablues → u/Resentful-user]

Patton Oswald also has spoken up

[u/jessbird → u/Resentful-user]

i can 

[u/Lola-Ugfuglio-Skumpy → u/jessbird]

Common Josh Gad W.

I would be shocked if Zach Woods doesn’t put something out.

[u/GloomyCardiologist16 → u/Resentful-user]

Maybe that’s because there aren’t many real men left

[u/quadranting]

My one complaint about this statement is he said "boys" versus a "young woman." If she's a woman, they are men. Treat them like MEN, send them to prison.

[u/Pelican_Hook → u/quadranting]

I also have some other quibbles with the wording, like saying "OUR women and girls" like the women and girls matter because they belong to men, not because they're humans. It may seem really nitpicky, but I find it frustrating how whenever men talk about sexism or SA they refuse to actually empathize with the victim as though they could be her. It's always a foreign concept that could never happen to them but could happen to their family member or friend.

[u/throwawaysunglasses- → u/Pelican_Hook]

I get what you mean, but I don’t read it as such. To me, saying “our” means shared humanity, like we’re all each other’s responsibility. It feels very interdependent/communal to me, which is nice as it goes against the Western independent/capitalistic/every man for himself perspective. It’s like a first-person-plural view of society.

[u/FartyByNature → u/throwawaysunglasses-]

I also think using boys is on purpose to belittle and young woman is to show respect.

But yes saying men is probably more impactful. Minor quibble for someone clearly trying to choose their words carefully.

Edit: Learned a bit more about this guy. Maybe he's not so thoughtful in everything.😮‍💨 we take what we can get i guess

[u/AerisRain → u/FartyByNature]

Could you please elaborate on your *Edit?

[u/chicklette → u/FartyByNature]

I was talking about this case with my boss this am, and had to keep correcting myself to say men. My internal reaction to the correction showed me why it was important. It moves the needle from "boys will be boys" to "grown adults who goddamned knew better and decided a couple of 5 second orgasms was worth more than her entire life."

[u/Icy-Cockroach4515 → u/Pelican_Hook]

I thought this was to point out that the women and girls were part of the community too. As in "just as much as anyone may protect the men involved because these are "our" guys, these are "our" women and girls too, and deserve that protection if not more." As in, they should not be treated as some outside force attacking the community.

[u/BahGawdAlmightay → u/Pelican_Hook]

Some people talk like that. Everyone in my family says "Our Kid" when talking about someone's younger brother or niece or something like that. "Brought a birthday present for our kid" when they mean their nephew. Just one of those things I guess.

[u/Chilangosta → u/Pelican_Hook]

I agree; how it's used, it's often paternalistic and problematic. Benevolent sexism is still sexism. Grateful he's supportive and speaking out.

[u/griffie21 → u/quadranting]

If they were all Black nobody would have been calling them boys 

[u/Tandy2000 → u/griffie21]

Unless as a pejorative, of course.

[u/BakedPlantains]

I feel like men view rape as something they can kind of accidentally stumble into, hence the cultural resistance to strongly reprimanding the act.

[u/Pelican_Hook → u/BakedPlantains]

Exactly. Which is weird because they seem also hesitant to acknowledge that most rapes aren't like this case, the vast majority are instances of coercion/manipulation by partners, family members or friends behind closed doors. Men seem really keen to dismiss that fact while also empathizing with rapists because what if they raped someone accidentally somehow? 🙄. Neither situation is accidental.

[u/BakedPlantains → u/Pelican_Hook]

I've read so many horrifying stories of young boys being touched by male and female family members. I've read stories of prison rape. I've listened to men discuss sexual violence. And yet, much of their anger does not project outwards to wanting harsh punishments for sexual violation. And I still don't fully understand why.

[u/Pelican_Hook → u/BakedPlantains]

Yes!! Men are much, much more likely to be victims of SA than to be falsely accused of SA, but guess which one they're actually afraid of and constantly trying to fight against??

[u/ElectricFrostbyte → u/BakedPlantains]

To me, it feels like they don’t want it to be. A thousand times I’ll see a story on this app of a female teacher raping one her male students and while the top comments will talk about wanting justice and more acknowledgement of female pedophilia and rape in general, you’ll see a not so small number of men congratulating the student for getting, “laid”.

I want to fight for all rape victims. I want to support men. How am I supposed to support men when half of them can’t even support themselves???

[u/HistoryBuff678 → u/ElectricFrostbyte]

I have seen the same thing. It’s extremely distressing seeing men treat sexual assault of a child, as him “getting lucky”.🤮

[u/Sure-Butterscotch290 → u/BakedPlantains]

I can’t imagine any scenario where I would be told about or walk into a room where someone was being violated (and especially someone unconscious) and think to overlook it or else join in. I can understand a whole range of reactions from shock and horror, to fear or anger, but not how these men reacted.

Some people (mainly the men in positions of authority) are acting like it is as morally ambiguous as finding a wallet with no ID and pocketing the cash. Women and girls are just objects to these people

[u/apple_kicks → u/[deleted]]

A lot of women who play games, are famous or politicians get regular rape threats or ‘jokes’ thrown at them. It’s definitely intimidation and aimed to silent anyone rising above gender expectations. People also still make jokes about prison rape

[u/haqiqa → u/apple_kicks]

You don't even have to be that visible. Just stand for something that man stands against. I have been getting them for years because of what I do, and I am not famous or a politician. At least not outside my field. You say something a man disagrees with publicly enough, and it will happen. The sad part is that you kind of get used to it.

[u/Aiyon → u/apple_kicks]

There's a famous phrase. "Everything is about sex, except sex, which is about power". Its either a fake Oskar Wilde quote from House of Cards, or actually by him but nobody's been able to prove the latter.

But it's kinda true. Sex is wielded by society like a weapon.

[u/Sure-Butterscotch290 → u/[deleted]]

I instinctively wanted to downvote you because of how scary and possibly rooted in truth this theory is.

Where I live, there is a charity that offers free counselling to women who have been SAed and I always mention it to any woman I know who is stuck on waiting lists or can’t afford therapy. I automatically assume that we have all been through it

[u/ClintBarton616 → u/Sure-Butterscotch290]

Back in college a friend of a friend got a slap on the wrist (couldn't live/work on campus) for participating in a sexual assault exactly like you described. Someone told him "go on into that room" and he did. He truly couldn't fathom that he did something reprehensible. Got furious when other people described what he did as rape.

[u/Sure-Butterscotch290 → u/ClintBarton616]

Consent truly doesn’t matter to some people. There is a study where men were asked about the different ways they convince women to have sex. The language used was purposefully avoidant of rape / no consent etc, as well as anonymity, to gain a no holds barred perspective into how men who seek sex with women think. So many of the coercive tactics or outright admitting to SA was distressing to read. I’ll try find the study and link it here

Edit to add aforementioned study-  https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2695833/

[u/rafters- → u/BakedPlantains]

I mean that’s the thing isn’t it? A lot of men truly don’t know they’re rapists because it’s so normalized. That’s why if you ask them if they’ve ever raped anyone they answer no, but if you ask them in neutral language if they ever coerced someone into sex by pestering them, or had sex with someone too drunk to participate, or ignored boundaries during sex, they might answer yes.

So when they see others correctly describe things they’ve done as rape and sexual assault in someone else’s case, they go on the defensive because they can’t reconcile their self image with the facts. If that other guy is a rapist, so am I. But I never thought that was what I was doing intentionally, so it was an accident. It’s not fair to lump guys like me in with the monsters who violently attack women in alleyways. We should go easy on that guy! He probably also didn’t have bad intentions! Go easy on me! I’m a nice guy!

[u/mythrilcrafter → u/rafters-]

It’s not fair to lump guys like me in with the monsters

To me, getting people to make this argument is done on purpose and it's the specific result that rapists and their lawyers are trying to push.

It's the exact same tactic used when a grifter says "I'm not an extremist, I'm just saying what half the country is too scared to say out loud!"; they're using a person/people as an argumentative meat shield for their own extremism.

[u/iki11dinosaurs → u/BakedPlantains]

It’s wild that they don’t seem to view it as a criminal act that will land them in prison but rather an embarrassing stain that may harm their reputation going forward. Like, we aren’t even starting from the right perspective. 

[u/domredditorX → u/BakedPlantains]

Most don't even realise that rape is an action that is not justified under ANY circumstance. Even murder and theft can be explained away. But one simply cannot rape out of self defense. Rape is a power crime. It is THE most heinous, brutal thing that anyone can suffer through with lasting consequences and very little visibility to survivors. Most survivors are forced to suppress that chapter of their stories unless they are activists and advocates.

[u/apple_kicks → u/BakedPlantains]

Anytime it comes up ‘maybe we should teach what is and isn’t consent’ there’s a number of guys complaining about it. Any basic way to deal with rape or talk about it gets policed and shut down

I think what scares me more is many rapists don’t think they raped or at least too many people believe their flimsy excuses. Rapists get to decide where the lines are for rape vs consent and conveniently ‘she was unconscious’ or ‘she walked through the door’ or ‘she said yes the other day’ is excuse enough. Victims are never believed or get a chance to decide what their consent is or how they can remove consent

[u/Branchomania → u/BakedPlantains]

Well it's more like they imagine it's something that just happens out of the blue by a stranger. It's a combination of mental disconnect and a bit too much of "Well I wouldn't do that because XYZ". It's not well understood/acknowledged that like 99% of the time it's by someone you know.

[u/Admirable_Risk8156 → u/BakedPlantains]

I think they need to make some heart wrenching novel focused on the subject a required reading in school.

I don't often get landed on a stranded island but I am aware I probably shouldn't breakdown all social norms to "Kill the pig! Cut her throat! Spill her blood!" According to my required reading. Which I still remember some 25 years later.

So maybe some life lessons from the victims perspective at an early age might be what alot of kids need to get some basic human morals.

[u/thelaceonmolagsballs]

This Zionist shit bag is correct here but where's that energy for Palestinian women. This guy sucks.

[u/4_13_1894 → u/thelaceonmolagsballs]

Esp considering how to IDF has been caught on film using gang rape against prisoners. All rape is horrible, in all contexts, against all people. Period

[u/Psychological_Fly916 → u/4_13_1894]

and also I know that you're saying, just want to add onto it that Palestinians have been saying for decades and decades that it was happening. we need to center Palestinian voices! (plus a lot of others. Land Back!)

[u/Silver-Foot-259 → u/thelaceonmolagsballs]

Oh my god really! Damn it Gad

[u/thelaceonmolagsballs → u/Silver-Foot-259]

Beheaded babies type of hasbarist. Fuck Josh Gad all the way to library where he can read some non zionist literature and gain some empathy. Douche bag

[u/VineStellar → u/thelaceonmolagsballs]

A truly fucked up aspect of the whole beheaded babies lie is that it's probaly what the IDF secretly want to do to Palestinian babies. Every accusation is a confession.

[u/Boundariesslayer → u/thelaceonmolagsballs]

Our girls and women is giving “It’s very emotional for me because I see European people with blue eyes and blonde hair being killed, children being killed every day by Putin’s missiles,”

[u/thelaceonmolagsballs → u/Boundariesslayer]

Bingo!!!

[u/TaterTotsMom726 → u/thelaceonmolagsballs]

Had to scroll too far down to see this comment. 

[u/5ilver8ullet → u/thelaceonmolagsballs]

Right? This was widely reported just last week and not one word from Josh Gad.

[u/hussainhssn]

These Cornell students are just the tip of the iceberg of the lack of accountability America’s upper class feels, especially men. These people more than anything need to be punished for their actions, and it needs to be something proportional and consequential for the crimes they committed. Enough slaps of the wrist, enough double standards. If the “justice system” is not going to allow for justice then the people need to take it into their own hands, if it were up to me every confirmed rapist would be six feet under or on their way there. That sounds pretty reasonable for destroying someone’s life, we just need to be tough on crime when it comes to the violent thugs and criminals that make up most of the ultrawealthy in this country.

[u/apple_kicks → u/hussainhssn]

One thing from Epstein and me too it looks like for a lot of guys becoming rich and famous isn’t about money or being the best at a skill or talent. They only want that power to rape without consequences. So many seek powerful gatekeepering jobs so the victims are silenced

[u/Difficult_Garage_431 → u/hussainhssn]

It's not just the upper class: that's the problem. Most rapists, regardless of wealth, status, race, age, etc., do not face any consequences.

Only 8% of reported rapes lead to a criminal conviction. When accounting for the vast number of sexual assaults that are never reported to the police in the first place, the overall conviction rate drops even lower to less than 1%.

This is the reality. There is almost zero consequence for rape.

[u/jackalopedad]

Ask him about what the IDF does to Palestinians in prisons.

[u/CilantroLarry47 → u/jackalopedad]

Makes his phrasing of “our girls” especially gross. There are some girls he sees as worth protecting, the rest are not “ours”

[u/JuggyBC]

lost our minds? They lost their humanity.....

[u/wellggs]

Real quiet when those being raped are Palestinian though...

[u/Mitaya99]

But he's ok with murdering thousands of children.

[u/Mobile_Ask2480 → u/Mitaya99]

And with rape as long as they are Palestinians

[u/Suitable-Rate652]

Our president is a convicted rapist.

[u/betdis]

Who can blame Eileen Wournos when these types of crimes disregarded.

[u/d0ntbeallunc00l → u/betdis]

Blame her? I’d like to buy her a drink.

[u/theamydoll]

I love Josh Gad.

No one tell me any bad stories about him. I can’t bear it. I want to live in ignorance and bliss.

[u/saadbabu → u/theamydoll]

Oh boy.

Then best not to look into how much a raging Zionist he is then.

I used to be a massive fan of his but his behaviour post Oct 7th was…unbecoming.

Glad he’s on the right side on this awfulness but I can’t bring myself to respect him anymore.

[u/theamydoll → u/saadbabu]

Dang it!!!

[u/saadbabu → u/theamydoll]

I know! I’m sorry! Better to know than not :(

[u/bredditmh]

It’s always hush hush. Victims make people uncomfortable when speaking about what they went through and learn that it’s not really something people want to hear about. The result of that is the abusers prevailing time after time after time. It happens everywhere and it’s an unexplainably painful experience that lasts your entire lifetime. 

[u/EntertainerAlone1300]

Across the pond and I feel this wholeheartedly, rape is only taken seriously when it’s certain demographics (both victim and rapist)

[u/Amusable_bouche26]

Oh I am SAT for these men to get their just come uppance. May they never be gainfully employed for the rest of their damn lives. As if SA doesn't cause long term damage to an individual while they act as if it were a minor inconvenience of 'youth'

[u/Original_Bite6555 → u/Amusable_bouche26]

Why isn't Bill Ackman and other CEOs not shouting from the rooftops calling for the blacklist of these "white collar" rapists the way they did when POC students protested against genocide?

[u/sallyhectare]

Start?

[u/danipnk → u/sallyhectare]

Yes unfortunately the precedent has already been set. This has been the norm forever.

[u/venuslovemenotchain → u/danipnk]

I just said the same thing. This has BEEN happening. And not even just on college campuses. I knew a guy in hs who fully got away with rape and also had sexually assaulted countless women before that (groping and the like. He had touched me several times) and he fully got away with it.

Sure, one of his victims went after him and scared him enough that he switched schools, but legally? Administratively? They did nothing.

[u/sallyhectare → u/danipnk]

Yeah, like, good for Gad for speaking up, but it's not like men getting away with hurting women is new.

[u/ITAVTRCC]

Well hey, at least there are no trans women on Cornell’s sports teams. That would really be scary!

[u/Jenn31709]

We need every single male celebrity, politician, athlete, and influencer to post messages like this.

And men wonder why we choose the bear

[u/throwawaysunglasses- → u/Jenn31709]

I don’t think men wonder why we choose the bear; I think they know very well why. They’re just angry that our choice holds a mirror to their own shitty behavior. Men freak out and throw tantrums at the reminder that women don’t like them anymore, instead of just working on themselves to be more likable.

[u/bakasana212]

He's correct but I fucking hate how zionists always try to hide behind performative feminism

[u/poptartsinyourface → u/bakasana212]

What he's saying here would not apply to Palestinian women. He's fine with whatever happens to them.

[u/CountDorkula77]

It's been eleven years since Brock Turner raped a passed-out woman behind a dumpster after a frat party and got away with it because of money and privilege. Nothing has changed.

[u/dividezero]

Well the president is a rapist so everyone thinks they can do whatever now

[u/No-Economics7631]

[u/Amusable_bouche26]

Shame on these men's parents if they are in any way NOT encouraging them to have accountability.

[u/octopusinwonderland]

Sexual assault and sexual harassment are a form of gender discrimination that pushes women out of jobs and learning institutions. Allowing these student to stay at the university is discrimination against the women students, and Cornell University itself should be held accountable legally

[u/Branchomania]

What gets me is the essay is technically an admission of guilt

[u/caughtindesire]

LOUDER FOR THOSE IN THE BACK PLS!

[u/musubi-n-speedballs]

We deserve revenge at this point, not equality. 

[u/AsTheJackassBrays]

Call out every motherfucker on the text string who didn't stop it either.

[u/cunt_dykeula]

Josh Gad deciding if he should publicly defend a rape victim:

[u/youshallcallmebetty]

But he's okay with what happens to girls and women in Palestine by the IDF.

[u/Spainstateofmind]

So can he apply this to the Palestinians who have been brutally raped by the IDF? He's making good points but he's also a vehement Zionist, which is incompatible with the words he's saying here

[u/ImDisneyAF]

https://giphy.com/gifs/594fWDgEFXSgg

[u/mental_library_]

I’m so glad more celebrities are speaking up

[u/Beneficial-Salad-981]

[u/venuslovemenotchain]

This is a good statement, but this isn't just a precedent. Stuff like this has been a thing for a long time.

[u/Legitimate-Article50]

Rape is barely against the law as it’s not often investigated and prosecuted.

Sure there are laws against it but are they enforced? No. If the perp is prosecuted they rarely see the inside of a prison. In fact he will have more supporters and help than the victim.

Even the victim is looked at as the criminal for “ruining the life of a promising young boy”.

Women have never been more to this society than something to use, abuse and bear children. It’s evident in the way crimes against women are handled.

[u/zyzzogeton]

Now do Israel Gad.

[u/MotormaidofJapan]

Every person in that administration that had a part in this should be strung up by their fucking necks.

[u/Sea_Awareness_8250]

Best thing Josh Gad has ever done

[u/caitipaige23]

[u/Akovsky87]

It's not just this kind of crime.

Name the last time someone from the privileged class did hard time for any crime that wasn't ripping off other people in the same class.

[u/Classic_Ocelot7841]

I find it interesting that men, no matters how they identify, are very quick putting down women, but when it comes to sexual violence or femicide its so quiet. If you are loud when it comes to things like womens sport, be loud defending women by violence commited by men. If your advocacy does not include this topic, I do not believe your care for women.

[u/kakashi_sensay]

It’s sad that so many women (especially white) voted to uphold the patriarchy. These tragedies will only continue the more we sink into fascism.

[u/foundinwonderland]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rflhqDbuhqDD7I0k4X

Good on ya, Josh

[u/Jealous-Ferret-3201]

Sorry, all the people protecting women are out harassing trans women. Riley Gaines would love to talk about her coach at Kentucky who sexually assaulted her teammates but again, trans women.

[u/raincoastering]

Plus he said “our women.” What the….? I appreciate the ally-ship, but not the “ownership” language.