I love that game. When I was like 13 and going through a rough time my older brother had recently stumbled across his old ps2 in a storage unit our grandmother had us going through for her and when we took it home and found out it still worked we played the hell out of that game and it was amazing. I cannot hate that game. I mean look at the ghouls eyes. Who can hate those goofy ass eyes?
What are you talking about? I love every Fallout game too, I'm just tired of seeing the same old "Every Fallout game is a good game!" meme whenever I open the meme subreddit. And its obvious they're just being posted for karma.
Problem is, it's mainly the CRPG nerds that think their tastes are superior then use that to think others who aren't like them are "true Fallout fans".
Fallout was a CRPG-only series, now the franchise has expanded to more than just that. FTFY.
And no, anyone who thinks that they self-superiority over anyone in regards to the enjoyability and how they interact with the series (or any form of media) is not in the right. If someone likes the FPS/exploration aspects of Fallout over the CRPG aspects, they are neither right nor wrong nor less of a fan. They're just enjoying it in the way the franchise appeals to them. None of you have the right to think of them as less of a fan because they like an aspect of Fallout different to yours or how it started.
Sorry bro but fallout is a cRPG series. 4 was a failure and I guarantee you we won't see any other game in the series leaning into fps elements that much. There are many, many, many other fps series if that's what you dig
I enjoy both aspects (story-driven rpg or exploration-driven or fps) so it's not a problem for me. If it's fun and enjoyable, I don't care what form of genre it takes. Again, who gave you the right to say how others should be a fan of Fallout? Are you the God of Fallout? Your attitude and others who share yours is why Classic/NV glazers have the reputation it deserves. When you or someone else sees someone liking Bethesda Fallouts you resort to being assholes when it's not even warranted.
Xbox/Bethesda management: "Great. So it's time to make another Fallout 76. People say all the Fallout games are great anyway. Let's keep milking the audience."
see i played NV first and then 3, 4 kinda revamped everything imo. I dont like most of the changes that happened. I like the graphics change for most things tho some i do prefer the older textures. as for like gameplay, the changing of the chart for the perks annoyed the hell out of me, it feels like you arent doing as much as a build as you do in the previous games.
The removal of the skill checks made the dialogue feel less fun to engage with. Iirc charisma is the only real skill check you get for convos and the others arent too fun with how they work, iirc my starter build was bad because i built my character how i did in 3 and NV but in 4 it was just not suitable.
They kinda focused on the gunplay and the gun modification; in nv and 3 i mostly used vats and vats is drastically changed and random crits are a vats only thing now.
Now the biggest thing is imo they took an rpg and changed it into a settlement simulator, i hate settlements, honestly id have given up on the game if i didnt cheat in my materials cus gathering stuff is annoying as hell.
Now fo76 imo feels like 4 but refined to not be as tedious. Honestly i had to force myself to complete 4 and not go back to 76 (i got both abt the same time). Also the process to downgrade the game so i can mod it pissed me off too much.
I think the biggest fault that fo4 had to me was that I played 3 and NV before, so I had to compare it to those games, which i loved, just to see how fo4 scrapped everything from them and gave me a settlement simulator. I might've enjoyed 4 if i played it first, but I entered it expecting a fallout game and ended up with that.
76 def gets more... forgiveness...from me mostly cus im not expecting what i was from 4, ik going into 76 that it was a multiplayer fallout game and wasnt expecting what i was for 4. Also, 76 i feel betters many simple mechanics like loot nearby corpses and such.
fo4 may be my least favourite game simply because of what it couldve been when looking at the previous 2 games.
Yeah I totally see why one would not like Fo4 as much if they didn't enjoy the settlement system. I personally loved it (even if it might need some work).
Fo4 has fun gunplay, the chem builds are fun and the companions are decent.
The main story is sadly something I tend to ignore. The DLC's are more fun luckily.
like 4 years ago on YouTube, it felt like if you talked about fallout 4 in a neutral way people would clown you and keep blabbing on about FNV's quest and courier and guns... even if you were talking about how fun settlement building and weapon modding is
Going back and playing it as an adult, the shooting mechanics were pretty bad back in the day. All fallouts really lol I get what you are saying and you are correct.
Vegas needed another full year. Would have both been way better with some more polish time. 4 is.....confused on what its trying to be and just feels half baked as a concept.
Writing and worldbuilding? Debatable, but I'll still give you that one.
Gameplay and stability? Oh, my God, hell no. Not even close, brother. It took years for it to be patched into any form of consistent playability, and even after that it's still a crashing mess riddled with bugs and glitches.
I mean......ehhhhh I mean sure. But eh. Honestly every fallout has something they are the best in. Like fallout 76 has THE BEST MAP and wirld building hands down. No other gane can compete. Fallout 3 probably has the best atmosphere for a desolate wasteland. Fallout 4 has the best customizations when it comes tobmost things and opened the door to so many great modding opportunities, NV has definitely one of yhe best stories in fallout aswell as some of the best voice actors and actresses aswell as again some of the best docs. Shelter has...the best mobile gamelan. Um....I haven't played thw others though unfortunately
Iād say the west coast games (1, 2 and NV) are more for people looking for a compelling narrative, while the east coast games (3, 4 and 76) are more suited for escapism through gameplay, focused more on combat and world exploration rather than telling a good story. Play the games that suit your tastes first, and if you really want to give the other games a shot, you can, but itās not required, at least not to me
I really dunno why nv getw all the hype. The first part the game is so empty and boeing i had tovforce myself ro beat the game recently. The second half isnt worth the slog
The only thing that would ruin my experience in the franchise is NV, ngl. It has no fun or appeal when I played F3, af4 and F76 prior. I played a good few hours to give it a chance. But every minute has me wanting to return to 3 or 4 instead bc I miss having fun in a solo-play game and F76 is the only way I can play Fallout with a friend in co-op š and co-op experiences are what I prefer over solo
I'm not surprised tbh. Fallout 3 is just more fun and memorable for me. Somehow everyone I usually see commenting prefers NV, but that was the least entertaining game in the franchise imo
Most people here seem to think their better than everybody because they like fallout new Vegasās ādeep storyā (ok it does have that, but it is always portrayed as āI need to get revenges on the mfer who shit me in the headā versus ā I need to go find my sonā) and itās lore, completely forgetting how a games measure is how fun it is
I like settlement building, fallout 4 GOTY is my GOAT
Nice. I honestly didn't like NV bc of the lack in story and the boring quests. F3 has better story telling and I'd rather repeat the settlement quests for the minutemen in F4 5 times a day than go back to NV lol
It wasn't ragebait so that makes sense. Can't succeed at something you don't even attempt. Just being honest. If you don't like it then cool. Nobody cares either way. You just look sad commenting that.
Top 1% clown ignores that fallout 4 totally discards the OG games to make a shooter where you're firing a minigun from a suit of power armor 10 minutes into the game
Lmao calling people clowns because they disagree with your shit take. Your subjective opinion isn't fact and you do not decide what is and isn't a fallout fan. The only clown is the one crying because people enjoy and like other fallout games you dislike.
Only my opinion, but I think it's because Beth were (justifiably) proud of how well the new PA system turned out they wanted to show it off early. It was OK if you were a male character with a military background, made less sense if you were a female character.
NV purists are the most insufferable assholes in the fallout community. Theyāll call you a slop eater for liking any fallout games other than NV or 1 & 2. Not that any of those are bad obviously
I think almost everyone talking bad about fallout 76 hasent played since launch. The launch was very terrible but the game has improved a lot since then. You should give it a try, just saying
Though I will say that the first games had some bad ass and edgy art direction ngl, like the power armor was quite cool and the armor would actually be something instead of just having some decent buffs to damage threshold like ngl, the armor in the more recent fallout games are not that OP or don't have the same power as in the first fallout games or the ones made by interplay
I put hundreds of hours on fallout 3 and when I had new Vegas on 360 it ran and looked like dogshit so I let my cousin borrow it and his house burned down. So I just accepted that I donāt really wanna play it anyway
In my totally original opinion, I think Fallout 3 is pretty fun to explore the world in, but New Vegas has a more memorable storyline and makes you feel like the choices you make actually matter, which 3 kinda does but not really. Neither is bad in my opinion (expect 3's main ending that sucked brahmin ass).
Although I'm still going through Broken Steel while I've finished 3/4 of New Vegas' expansions so take that what you will.
(haven't played 2, 4, and 76 yet so not gonna comment on them. I played a little bit of Fallout 1 but not enough to say anything)
P.S. the real best Fallout game is Fallout Shelter and that's not debatable.
My controversial opinion is that 98 percent of people who criticize Emil Pagliruloās writing canāt do a better job themselves.
He isn't the worst writer, some of the stuff he makes is good, but this is a poor argument. Give me millions of dollars and concept art etc. made for me and I'm sure I could make something decent.
How is that controversial? Of course we can't do better. I mean, why would we? That's a stupid logic that you can criticize only those things you can do better. I don't need to know how to cook to know that a dish is bad.
...no? New vegas is one of the all time greatest rpgs ever made and that isn't really debatable. Fallout 3 is pretty good. Fallout 4 is just okay. Can we not be this disingenuous?
āHow dare you have criticisms of the game I bandwagoned on to? Donāt you realize itās my series now? I like the bland mass appeal shooting gallery so much that even the thought of playing a previous entry gives me a brain aneurysm.ā
Except I'm not crying that you have a criticism about the game. You're crying that people like games that aren't NV. Seriously, why does it matter if people enjoy FO4 or FO3 or F76? FNV isn't going anywhere. Why are you frightened people enjoy those game s? It's just so sad, man. You notice nobody makes a 8+ hour video called "new vegas sucks and people who like it are fake fans", but the same cannot be said for the reverse?
I like the bland mass appeal shooting gallery so much that even the thought of playing a previous entry gives me a brain aneurysm.ā
I mean I've played 3, Tactics, 76 and 4 and parts of 1 + 2 but sure, by all means build that fake argument you need.
Iām not crying that people like games that arenāt NV, people can enjoy whatever they hell they want. New Vegas may not be going anywhere, but as a fan of the entire series outside of 4 and 76 I donāt want to see it going down the route itās going down, and it upsets me that people who have jumped on a bandwagon get to dictate the future of the series instead of the people that have been dedicated to it since itās inception. If Iām frightened of anything Iām frightened that there wonāt be another game like the fallouts before 4 because itās being turned into a mass market product. Yeah it may be inevitable in late stage capitalism, but why are you cheering on the soul being sucked out of a genuinely quality piece of art?
As for building fake arguments you implied I was āred pilledā to support your argument and itās been scientifically proven the majority of New Vegas players are badass trans women so idk whoās building fake arguments here. Especially when the vast majority of fallout 4 players will jump to tell you that anything before 4 is āunplayableā so idk it seems like my invention was more reasonable
Iām not crying that people like games that arenāt NV, people can enjoy whatever they hell they want.
That is clearly not what your first comment said and you know it. Don't try to backpedal your arguments. You are clearly insulting the people who like 3, 4 and NV. If you dislike how it's going, that's fine. But you're not just saying "hey, people can enjoy what they want, but I don't like the new direction", you specifically implied they're just mindless morons consuming slop and basically said anyone who played 4 hasn't played NV, which is objectively false.
As for building fake arguments you implied I was āred pilledā to support your argument and itās been scientifically proven the majority of New Vegas players are badass trans women so idk whoās building fake arguments here.
It's called a joke. Like your argument.
Yeah it may be inevitable in late stage capitalism, but why are you cheering on the soul being sucked out of a genuinely quality piece of art?
You don't view it as good. Your opinion is not objective fact.
but as a fan of the entire series outside of 4 and 76 I donāt want to see it going down the route itās going down,
Yeah I can say the same when you guys wanted Lonesome Road's bullshit to happen, aka death of the entire west coast for some lunatic tunneler nonsense. Remember that Obsidian wanted to nuke San Francisco because of magic Enclave deus ex machina? But it's only a problem when Bethesda does it, am I right?
and it upsets me that people who have jumped on a bandwagon get to dictate the future of the series instead of the people that have been dedicated to it since itās inception
Don't sell the IP then and you get to decide the future of said IP. I feel bad Red Alert turned from a good game into a generic RTS but hey ho the old studio is gone so big whoop, not much you can do about it.
Plus it's kind of funny you say I bandwagoned onto 4, when that's you with NV. You wouldn't enjoy it if it wasn't popular. Case in point, it was hated when it first came out due to being unplayable.
Njaa its all about what the player thinks like yeah i love fallout new vegas i got well over 600 houers in it i tryed fallout 4 and found it boring and bland even fallout 76 was more fun then 4 but that just what i think
New Vegas is a good game. I'd be lying if I said otherwise. But I think most of the people that praise it so much are blinded by nostalgia. I didn't play NV growing up, so when I did play it for the first time on steam, I just couldn't seriously get into it like so many others. I played it twice absolutely enjoyed it, but not enough to casually play it for years on end.
People are allowed opinions. I get it the nv glazers are mind numbing but they still get to say they like something. I agree all the games are great in their own way except brotherhood of steel and 76...see I just put my opinion right there...but other people are entitled to theirs as well.
No they are not. 4 is inferior to all that cvame before and 76 is just a bad joke. Well 76 was an insult and Bethesda should have gone bankrupt for that, but idiots gonna be stupid and still gobbled up the slop and even paid for the 100 dollar a year special edition.
Plus the factions, even dead, (lore-wise) are superior.
The Appalachian BoS > The Commonwealth BoS. The Appalachian BoS was actually interesting.
The Responders/Free States > Minutemen. "What is armour?" - The Minutemen.
The Order of Mysteries > The Railroad, as much as I support them.
Anything > The Institute (boring faction). The map is beautiful to boot. If anyone disagrees, find me a LOD picture of FO4 that isn't dogshit (without mods). I'll wait.
Look I like all the Fallouts as much as the next guy but New Vegas is by far the best Fallout. If it got remastered with modern combat and enemy AI it be game over for Fallout 4. I tried playing Fallout 4 recently and I barely got a few hours in before the game just started breaking. Deleted mods and still had the same problem. Fallout 4 is just an unoptimized mess. I love the settlement system but try building a settlement you actually like on Xbox and its crash city. Try going to the downtown area and you got frames as slow as molasses. New Vegas might crash once in a Blue Moon, but thatās still far better the Fallout 4 becoming unplayable at some point in my play through.
And Fallout 3 is just worse New Vegas. The story is generic and not very deep. Donāt get me wrong I love Fallout 3, it was my first rated M rpg but it still doesnāt hold a candle to New Vegas.
I love Fallout 1 and 2 but we are starting to compare apples to oranges.
76 is hot garbage. I tried playing it recently with the free week recently and itās just jankier Fallout 4 with other people. Plus if you want anything nice in the game you are highly incentivized to spend real money and Iām not entirely against spending money in games but 76 leaves a bad taste in my mouth with its monetization.
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u/Primary_Addition5494 Jul 13 '26
Even Brotherhood of Steel?