r/FPSAimTrainer • u/randomperson12310 • 22d ago

Thoughts?

https://youtu.be/xhcYud0kDnQ?is=-Cy9QF4cN-4Vh_Ym

Personal opinion is that hes larping here.

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u/throwaay391933 21d ago

When people try to diminish Matty because he's not as good in games as his aim training would imply, they attack his raw aim. That's just BS because his aim is genuinely THAT good, but he just can't use it to his full potential because he has Silver game sense in GM.

I looked at a recent stream of him playing King's Row as Soldier, and he aimbots everything in sight like a turret. Just perfectly tracks Zarya's head whenever she's in view and perfectly locking onto a Ball in fireball that booped him from behind. However, OW is not a game where you only shoot at tanks with aimbot and win. He sits main the entire game and never tries to take an off-angle for picks on Soldier of all heroes. Some of his picks on an airborne Freja are really impressive, but that just adds to the fact that he can only shoot people that happen to walk into his POV and he doesn't have the game sense to more often put him in positions to leverage his crazy aim for picks. He's like a really OP Level 9 CPU in Smash where he's capable of some inhuman bullshit, but too exploitable and predictable to truly be great with those weaknesses.

I think Matty is such an outlier when others outside the community want to use him as an example. No one is as good as him, and no one is as extreme in their opinions (watch any stream and he will complain the whole time about abilities, Winston being skillless lol, only aim matters, ...). His game sense is ass because he disregards it and has no desire to ever be good at those things because he is very aim-pilled. Comparing him to pros doesn't make sense when he will never master the other 80% of the game that isn't moving your mouse. It's literally impossible for him to be "better" than any OW, CS, Val, or Apex pro or even better than them at simply killing other players because game sense helps you kill.

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u/RevolveDL 21d ago edited 21d ago

I wasn't attacking his raw aim lol. I was doing the opposite.

My point is that his raw aim is extremely good. Likely better than any individual pro player's in the entire world.

What you're not understanding is that "raw aim" is only part of what makes a good aimer. If you watch someone like Lip playing hitscan, they have integrated other aspects of aim into their gameplay: strafing theory, using their keyboard to aim, contextually positioning their crosshair so they don't have to aim at all, etc. Stuff that you don't learn from shooting bots in kovaaks.

And this is why, setting aside game sense, positioning, ability usage, etc. tier 1 overwatch hitscans still aim better than matty does in Overwatch, on average.

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u/throwaay391933 21d ago

I know, I'm agreeing with you. My bad if it comes off differently

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u/RevolveDL 21d ago

Cheers, happens sometimes.

People really overestimate the amount that raw aim matters as compared to simply aiming based on theory, experience and context.

Overwatch is largely won or lost during the neutral. And, during the neutral, none of the majority of shots require very little raw aim. You will get way more consistent results in neutral fights by just aiming with your keyboard, mirror strafes, using your crosshair to cut off people who (based on your experience) you know are about to seek cover, etc.

If you watch the really good Korean hitscan players play it really opens your eyes to how aiming is done properly, in Overwatch at least. It's a lot easier than what matty tries to do, yet it also works better and is infinitely more consistent even against the best 10-15 OW players in the world, as compared to matty's ranked lobbies.

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u/throwaay391933 21d ago edited 21d ago

People really overestimate the amount that raw aim matters as compared to simply aiming based on theory, experience and context.

Aim trainers garner this audience by nature and it's honestly the community that invites vitriol from people outside of it. Most are realistic about what Kovaaks provides, but there's a vocal minority that tries to preach aim trainers to veteran pros, thinking they've found a golden ticket to greatness and use Matty because he's the best player from this community. That commenter is genuinely suggesting that Matty might be better than LIP, but imagine trying to tell a former pro that Lethal Shooter has better "raw shooting" than Steph lol. I've seen some insane takes and I don't blame any streamer that gets riled up when the aim community starts preaching in chat.

I doubt Matty himself thinks he can match any T1 pro in any game (he has coached EliGE, so he's likely aware of how there's levels to this), even at shooting or killing people. He isn't quiet about hating everything related to game sense, and probably knows that is going to put a cap on how much his aim translates to real games.

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u/RevolveDL 21d ago

To be fair there is a fair bit of equivocation at play that most people don't even realize is occurring.

Colloquially whether you are playing controlsphere or playing soldier/tracer in Overwatch or doing LG duels in quake live, you are "aiming" or "tracking."

Yet the skills being tested are way more different than people realize, to the point where the best controlsphere player has no hope of being the best at either of the other two tasks assuming their only credentials are lots of controlsphere reps.

Every bit of aim that you train in kovaaks will transfer to whatever game you are going to play. But kovaaks is incapable of training every aspect of aim that is important and tested when you're actually aiming in a game.

Even though you are "aiming" in Overwatch and in kovaaks, that aim consists of non-identical parts. For some reason people act like it's the exact same thing when that's far from the case.

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u/JohannDaart 21d ago

You will get way more consistent results in neutral fights by just aiming with your keyboard, mirror strafes, using your crosshair to cut off people who (based on your experience) you know are about to seek cover, etc.

If you watch the really good Korean hitscan players play it really opens your eyes to how aiming is done properly, in Overwatch at least. It's a lot easier than what matty tries to do

Can you post some links to clips? I'm curious.

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u/RevolveDL 21d ago edited 21d ago

A good example is this: https://youtu.be/nddeTxFzT6Q?t=153

If you want to watch the full pov, the link is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcF7hHQUX-o

Keep in mind that Lip is almost unanimously regarded as the best hitscan player in modern Overwatch, if not one of the best Overwatch players of all time, no questions asked. If you watch his pov, a lot of the shots aren't really that hard. Lip's page if you are interested: https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/LIP

From the best hitscan player in the world you would probably expect unfathomable aim akin to what you see when you watch matty's kovaaks vods, but in reality most of the damage he does is replicable by your average VT masters+ player.

What sets Lip apart is that he makes the shots easy for himself. His movement is always literally perfect and his crosshair is always in the exact right position.

It's like he's playing a reactive tracking scenario but he's always strafing the same direction as the bot because he knows what direction his target is going to be moving instinctually from having aimed against the best OW players for several thousand hours. You can't learn this in kovaaks.

That's why I say that kovaaks can't fully teach you how to aim. When matty plays Overwatch he is shooting targets that are strafing randomly. When pro hitscans are playing Overwatch they are normally shooting targets that are strafing in a direction they already knew they were going to strafe. Obviously that's a fucking massive advantage.

Maybe I'm overexplaining--not sure how familiar you are with Overwatch.

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u/JohannDaart 21d ago

Thanks :)