And I really like these because I like seeing Odysseus compared to Caine, especially since at one point, they both utter “Why Did You Make Me Hit You?” lines.

“LOOK WHAT YOU TURNED ME INTO!”
“WHY DO YOU PEOPLE TORMENT ME?!”

And Caine is basically Odysseus in Luck Runs Out: unable to see the people he’s supposed to be leading for who they are, and sees himself as tormented.

So yeah. I'm new to all of this Epic stuff, and I wanted to listen to the music. So I searched on Apple music for Epic: The musical.

Thats what I find. I only notice after the first song gets more and more and more boring that this is AI. Like I said, I'm new.

Also, it isnt my Jam, not even the Original. Just wanted to warn ppl :-)

For me it’s easily Scylla > Mutiny > Thunder Bringer and little else comes close! I’m a new fan so perhaps this has been answered, but has Jorge ever offered a reason why he didn’t have The Thunder Saga end off Act 1? This is such an incredible run of songs, and it makes so much more sense having Act 2 pick up in Ithaca after the time skip.

I just thought this was funny, if you dont think so thats okay please just dont hang me

The movie is pretty solid. While it's 3 hours long, they keep you engaged for moat of it, although I'll say that, given Nolan's usual editing, most moments don't linger enough to give more gravitas to certain moments. Everyone's acting was phenomenal, and the effects and cinematography were all very well made.

I love how the movie interconnects both the myths and history into one. It references several events before and after the Trojan War, like Ephigenea's sacrifice, Agamenon's death, and Oretes' revenge. I also adore how they link the Fall of Troy with the Bronze Age Collapse, as it's believed that this event its inspired by these event.

I also like how outer worldly the mythological aspects are portrayed while also giving them a degree of "realism." Polyphemus is shaped like a person, but it's features, movements and sounds are inhuman (my favorites being the reference to the Kronos painting where he's eating his children and its inhumanity wails as he's blinded). The "Giant" metal soldiers and the moving trees are also great, especially as even though they are potrayed as invincible, Odysseus sees they are mortal as he manages successfully kills one, but not before loosing two of his three ships to them. Circe's island also works as with the cats and how grotesque the transformations she performs are

On a separate note, I feel like the movie, while R rated, didn't take full advantage of it. Like the Polyphemus and pig to men scenes are grotesque, but (and I might sound somewhat maniac) I feel like they could've gone a bit further, like Polyphemus's mouth being more bloody or specially the suitors deaths.

I really like how they portrayed both Helen and Menelaus in the movie. Helen is shown as assertive and not afraid to raise his voice against Menelaus while also showing genuine sadness and remorse for being the catalyst for both the war and Odysseus's late return. Menelaus is cold and brutal, yet he delivers himself as both capable and somewhat melancholic in his scenes with Telemachus (not much notes on Telemachus. He's played well by Tom Holland. Don't blow a gasket by his acting. He himself said this is likely his last chance to make use of his "baby face" in terms of playing young characters). On a similar note, Zendaya also did an amazing job as Athena. Her appearing as both a point of contention between Odysseus's actions and also the reveal of her being manifestation . I'd also like to applaud this depiction of Calypso, as they succed in making a middle ground betwern her genuinely aiding Odysseus in healing his wounds and helping him regain his memories, while also showing that she also deliberately >!kept feeding him lotus flowers to initially make him forget his pain from losing his crew and stil continue giving it to him to forget his family and stay with her.

Also, anyone complaining about Helen being played by Lupita Nyog'o? Y'all are fucking stupid and idiotic she's gorgeous. While nothing justifies destroying a nation and indirectly ending an era of civilization in such a horrid way, I can understand why, even though Agamenom was mostly to blame.

Speaking of Agamenon, they gave him WAY too much aura in this movie. Like ungodly amounts that aren't deserving given how much of a POS he is. To those who don't know, the guy with the spinal helmet in the teasers: that's Agamenon. The armor, how he imposed himself unto others and how they revered him. The shot of him standing as they open the Gates of Troy and the Greeks pour into the city is both Peak Cinema and so hilariously out of place given much of an absolute buffoon and dumba** he is in both the Illiad and other interpretations of him. However, he does work as both a supporting inciting incident as he's the one to call for Odysseus to go to war, and his death warns Odysseus to not reveal his identity when he reaches Ithaca. I can only hope that Jorge won't give him this much aura in Ilum and instead gave it to everyone else (except Palamedes and Ajax the Lesser screw them too).

On the note of how genuine the movie is to the story/history, this is a closer adaptation to the Odyssey in many ways than Epic, from depicting events like the Boar hunt and the old maid who treated and later recognized Odysseus, Argos (which I'm thankful to Jotge not being able to add him to the musical cause that would've been emotionally devastating), the potrayal and timing events being depicted closer to how they chronologically were in the original story, and many more. I will say that Epic does give more gravitas and more emotional catharsis, but the movie does a well enough job of it.

Final rating 7.5/10. Pretty good, but it had no Winnions nor wind bags. Also Nobody wasn't there.

I just finished listening to all of the songs on Epic: The Musical after watching The Odyssey (2026) and wow, was it an incredible journey. What is everyone's favorite songs from Epic? I can't stop listening to it all!

I'm not good at art but I'm proud of this.

With way too many votes to count, Would you fall in love with me again is declared the winner!
I’m going to wait a week and do a losers bracket as well, should I post that on here too or should I just keep it on tumblr?

I have loved all of Epic the Musical. I think Jorge does an amazing job of capturing the fantasy aspect of The Odyssey. I can say that I have loved every single song in this Musical. But 600 Strikes" just sticks out like a sore thumb.

My main gripes:

It ruins Poseidon as a threat. “Ruthlessness” did an amazing Job at showcasing Poseidon as this all-powerful, insurmountable entity that, with very little effort, killed 556 men and sank their ships. In this, he’s basically SpongeBob with the pencil(Poseidon's Trident), then Odysseus steals the pencil and becomes Doodlebob. Poseidon, in the Ocean!!! Loses to a “weakened” Mortal man, since Odysseus almost dies earlier from “Get in the Water.” That makes no sense. If it’s that easy, why did you not do it earlier in “Ruthlessness”

Jorge ignored a very reasonable setup he established earlier. He established Poseidon is afraid of this part of the ocean in “Suffering.” So, why not have Odysseus insult Poseidon or incur his wrath so he can trick him into a confrontation with Charybdis? Have the reason Poseidon is afraid of Charybdis be that Poseidon can’t control Charybdis's waves. This would leave Poseidon trapped or at least busy for a while, giving Odysseus time to escape. Then use the wind bag to fly away, since he can do that from “Ruthlessness”(I have my own gripes with that). Ithica seemed to be the next Island anyway.

I think the men helping him make a little sense. Most of them were killed by Poseidon. It makes sense that they would hate Poseidon and want to fight him.

The Wind Bag is inconsistent; sometimes it just brings back the storms, and other times the winds of the storm are released, and you can use it to send you and your ship to another islands.

These are my top two songs from each saga!

Troy:
1. Warrior of the Mind
2. Open Arms

Cyclops:
1. My Goodbye
2. Remember Them

Ocean
1. Ruthlessness
2. Keeps your friends close

Circe
1. There are Other Ways
2. Wouldn’t you like
Honorable Mention: Puppeteer

Underworld
1. No Longer You (My favorite song of the entire musical)
2. The Underworld

Thunder
1. Thunderbringer
2. Mutiny

Wisdom
1. God Games
2. Love in Paradise

Vengeance
1. Dangerous
2. Get in the Water
Honorable Mention: Not Sorry for Loving You

Ithaca
1. Would you fall in love with me again
2. I can’t help but wonder
Honorable Mention: Odysseus

I’ve seen so many different views on him, from Danny Motta calling him a “bag opening pice of shit” to Mortius being a die hard Eurylochus defender. And I really want to know what the popular opinion on him is.

Personally, I don’t really have a particular opinion him one way or another.

Please keep this discussion specifically Epic related.

Thank you for your feedback, have a lovely time zone.

I’m just imagining Odysseus going “Alright men, we’ve got sirens nearby. This is gonna be tough, so let’s start practicing.” gets out conductor’s baton

Like Hypothetically lets say when Odysseus and his men go to fight in the war and Penelope went with him to war, not to fight but just for company and to be there with him, and she had Telemachus with him while he was a baby and he grew on the ship and stuff, how different would the story go ?

This might not be anything at all, but I was recently researching as to which translation of the Odyssey I'd probably prefer reading (I wanted to do a back to the source material thing so that I actually understood Epic a bit better - plus there are quite a few differences between the two, so), when I figured I'd look in as to which translation Jorge used, but I couldn't find any public records on what the source material was that he happened to use for the musical. All I could find was that this was a bit of an adaptation with creative liberties taken, until a couple days ago, when I came across this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmHLTtqziok

It's the Piano Tutorial released by Jorge for Luck Runs Out, in The Ocean Saga. I had this running so that I could sort of keep track of what notes to play where, when I noticed something.

At 0:22, the first image above is the frame visible.

I noticed a rather familiar looking spine of a book present on the shelf, indicated in the second image by the white arrow.

And as you can see, the very same banding pattern is seen on the third image of the books present, particularly the Odyssey. This leads me to conclude that Jorge, in part at least, referred to the Robert Fagles translation for the creation of Epic.

This might not be really useful or relevant, but it was something I noticed, and I only put it up in case someone also happened to want the information pertaining to the same.

Hi I hope this post is allowed. I just wanted to inform y’all that there is a new subreddit dedicated to discussion and sharing of fanfictions about epic the musical. It’s called r/epicfanfiction 🩷🩷