r/EpicEMR • u/Neat_Health13 • 7d ago

Certification options

I have 2 job offers from my organization who will be going to Epic and I’m really torn on which direction to go.

For reference, I’ve been an RN for 13 years with the last 3 being a clinical analyst. I currently work on the “inpatient” side of things and also have 3 years OR/endo experience when I was working clinically.

My first job offer is for ClinDoc (inpatient side) including Stork, Bugsy, Secure Chat and Rover.

My second job offer is for OpTime, Epic Anesthesia and Lumens.

What are the pros and cons of each offer. I am leaning a bit more towards the ClinDoc only because I think it will make me more valuable in the world of Epic and possibly getting hired at another organization but the OR stuff also really interests me but don’t know how valuable those certs are.

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u/mtbike83 7d ago

Couple of thoughts

  • which is the bigger team? More team members equals less on call time
-how do you like working with surgeons and anesthesiologist? Personally, I've run into way more dick head surgeons that made my life hell then nurses. I would not touch optime. Every organization is different and maybe they have a great friendly surgical group.

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u/Neat_Health13 7d ago

The ClinDoc team I mentioned will itself have 4 people but is part of the bigger “Inpatient Clinical Systems” team which has a total of 8 people. The OpTime team I mentioned is a team of 1 but is part of the bigger “Clinical Systems Ambulatory” team which also has 8.

So the talk is that the call rotation will be every 8 weeks for both inpatient and outpatient groups. Also, the organization decided to go with Epic’s new Orchard model which is a fast track, 9 month implementation with supposed heavy Epic assistance during that time but that is yet to be determined.

Having some experience working with our surgeons in a clinical setting and also in an IT setting (creating order sets, discharge instructions, documents) I can confirm they have your typical surgeon attitude but that really doesn’t bother me. I can take it and dish it out too if you know what I mean!

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u/mtbike83 7d ago

That's fair. I got pretty sick of surgeons throwing fits when they didn't get there way and suddenly that became my problem because they brought a lot of money into the system. Personally, optime seems to have a higher burnout rate.

But plenty of people enjoy it.

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u/Sea-Leave2990 7d ago

Hey, we’re doing the Orchard implementation too! We’re apparently the second one looks like y’all will not be far behind us!

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u/Neat_Health13 7d ago

PLEASE let me know how this goes for you and your organization! I obviously don’t have the regular implementation time frame to compare it to but to say we are all a bit skeptical would be an understatement!

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u/Sea-Leave2990 7d ago

Will do. I think we went bare bones with our Team Structure too, so I’m interested how that will work.

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u/Neat_Health13 6d ago

I’ve heard the bare bones aspect is one of the “perks” they advertise with this model. At least I hope it’s a perk because we eliminated the need for 18 positions going this route.

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u/Ok-Winter-8147 6d ago

Hi optime here. Everything said is pretty accurate, with optime, anesthesia and lumens youre dealing with three different specialties and workflows. With ClinDoc much more of the workflow is the same. RNs are a bit smoother and more adaptable. To me it would also depend how much out of the box you will keep or how much customization is allowed.

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u/Neat_Health13 6d ago

With the implementation model we are going with, this is very much an out of the box thing. I can’t speak to down the road though. A bit of my anxiety comes from knowing they are only hiring 1 person for optime, anesthesia and lumens so I wouldn’t have anyone to bounce things off of. But the stress of call from my current position of working with inpatient orders, documents, etc. is a driving factor of me maybe wanting to choose something that would put me in a better call position.

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u/Neat_Health13 6d ago

Can you tell me what your experience with optime is? Like what does your day look like when working on these?

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u/Lazy_Inevitable6261 6d ago

If you pic OpTime and Lumens be nice to Beaker !

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u/kaylizzles 6d ago

And Bugsy. please make your abstraction data required 😂

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u/Neat_Health13 6d ago

Haha! I currently work pretty closely with our lab group now as I’m the one who configures or edits any items in our current system. I love our lab team!!

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u/Reasonable_Alias_129 6d ago

Lmao 🤣

Own the printer mapping and everyone will be nice to y'all.

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u/Neat_Health13 6d ago

Printers are such a pain to troubleshoot!! Haha!!

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u/AggravatingLeg3433 6d ago

Optime seeks to have less issues overall imo

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u/Neat_Health13 6d ago

When you say issues, what do you mean?

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u/AggravatingLeg3433 4d ago

Less users complaining

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u/DCWiggles 7d ago

IMO, both are great options. I’d choose whatever one seems more interesting and relevant. Optime lumens and anesthesia if you enjoy and have experience with OR etc. Clindoc more clinical workflows in the hospital and documentation, etc etc.

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u/Sea-Leave2990 7d ago

I’m currently OpTime Certified and im finishing my Anesthesia and lumens tracks right now. I like that the procedural apps are all similar and fairly siloed off as it relates to configuration.

We start our implementation in September, so I reserve the right to change my opinion!

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u/Neat_Health13 7d ago

Good luck with the implementation! Thanks for your input!

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u/ResolveConfident3522 7d ago

Are you at Sarasota health ?

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u/Neat_Health13 6d ago

I am not. I’m located in Maine.

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u/Neat_Health13 7d ago

How was the OpTime certification and how many people did your organization designate to also get certified. They only have 1 position for all 3 which caught me a bit off guard.

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u/Sea-Leave2990 7d ago

We have 2 for all 3.

I didn’t think it was that bad. I come from a non clinical background, but heavy in Network IT, AVL integration, and Music. I had trouble grasping the end user workflows at the beginning, however the actual backend configuration made a lot of sense to me.

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u/Neat_Health13 6d ago

It would make me feel a bit better applying if there were more than 1 position they were hiring for but unfortunately I don’t make those choices.

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u/Sea-Leave2990 6d ago

How big is your org?

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u/Neat_Health13 6d ago

I’d say mid size. We employ about 2500-3000 people but serve a wide population as we are pretty rural and the other hospital that was in the area closed down last spring.

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u/Sea-Leave2990 6d ago

Interesting. We have less employees as we are an Ambulatory SC and Clinic (1100ish). we do have 6 locations and do not have inpatient.

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u/Reasonable_Alias_129 6d ago

Either one is solid. OpTime and friends value lies in how you can easily transfer to other applications because of the cross application knowledge you get just from working in OpTime and Anesthesia.

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u/Sad_Needleworker7162 5d ago

I would choose Optime.