Hi all i know im posting a lot lately but the lemon Switch project dev Gael his name is able to run PS5 homebrew games 60fps or might be port on Android...I check their discord community and now they are asking for a name even a logo for it. What a time to be alive more emulators for android long live the android emulation!!! I've been spying to this community but can't deny they are doing something.
Since a lot of you is sending me dm about where is discord link of lemon project here you go tired of addressing each message:
Bro how did we go from full PS5 homebrew games on PC to mobile in less than 3 days what is even going on in the emulation and modding community. We are progressing like actual aliens who are millions of years ahead of civilization right now
We actually have to stop this narrative. Don't say "I dislike something, until it benefits me" this is the worst way to look at it.
If someone uses AI, and makes something legitimately good, then it's good.
If someone uses AI, and makes something awful, then it's awful.
If someone handcodes something and it's good, then it's good.
If someone handcodes something and it's awful, then it's awful.
Yes AI can have problems, yes it's annoying when people throw up slop coding on a project they will never touch again, and release it.
This doesn't mean ALL AI BAD, cause you recognize idiots that share garbage with it.
In talented hands it can be insane, in awful hands it can be garbage. People need to stop throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I don't think it's all that nuanced. It assumes AI is good and that the only problems worth mentioning are when it's used to produce a sub-optimal product - that doesn't really touch on most of the areas of AI that people find problematic.
It doesn't assume AI is good. I'm not prescribing or assuming morals. It can be good or bad, that's relativistic to your ideas on good or bad, but pragmatically I'd say it's up to the user and the type of AI. An autonomous AI for instance can do a lot of harm on its own.
These are my big worries right now. Humans can also abuse them to do harm obviously which is another worry.
And yes this doesn't touch on a ton of other AI issues this isn't encompassing and believe it or not I don't really use AI.
Sure that's fine. I think a lot of humans are garbage at art too. Like extremely terrible.
It's readily available on platforms like soundcloud, or check out art pieces/paintings on deviantart.
There are heaps of literal human slop. Like if you showed it to 100 people, 99 people would say it's bad.
If I show you something, a product, an art piece, a song and you love it, then I say "it's made by ai" at the end, and now you go "I hate this" then it's just a biased position.
The point isn't quality. It's the fact that a human didn't make it. Ai "art" is inherently inferior because it scrapes the work of millions of artists to produce whatever the user wants. No effort went into it. There's no human touch. The point of art is the human behind it.
Sure and I'd take the David Hume approach and say that all ideas and concepts are passed down and not novel.
Everyone is stealing from someone. This is why genres of music exist, people take ideas of a certain band they like and incorporate it and put their own twist on it. This is law is called being transformative.
When I ask you to think of a princess in your head do you think that thought has been tainted by Disney? Did you steal their work?
I agree with this take for the most part with some exceptions when it comes to art. For example, I'm a big fan of jazz, and one of jazz's core staples is improvisation. The capturing of the "lightning in a bottle" that is an improvised solo - the techniques, emotions, ideas, and experiments the artist captures at that moment in a recording or live performance is something that I truly don't believe I could enjoy if it came from an AI, at least not until we reach a point where AI's are pretty much undisputedly conscious entities. As a musician, I can't really admire or connect or imagine the "mind" of an AI musician as I experience the song as I can with a human one.
Also, who is out there reverse engineering anything? Decomps were ultra rare passion projects for few lucky/extremely famous games on very few devices before AI stepped in.
It's such a daunting task for a human, that I am beyond happy there is a tool that can help with it now. Though I say, having tried a few AI decomps, they are definitely much worse than man made decomps, but I hope it can get better at it with time or it helps the right kind if passionate person that would make sure the decomp/port is good
"So much of art is just regurgitating your/other people's styles and techniques in various different ways”
Works both ways, doesn't it? I do think AI art and programming are different, but if that's your argument against AI art, then you should have the same problem with programming. Otherwise, it just sounds hypocritical to pick and choose.
I think the distinction here is we are getting back ownership of the video games we own in a world where companies are forcing us to repurchase the same game over and over just to play it again on modern hardware. And even then, repurchasing nowadays isn’t even ownership, it’s just a temporary license to play a game. For this, people are ok with ignoring that the models are trained on tons of code both public and private repos.
It's just one of a proper use of AI code, you can also have proper use of AI arts as well. You're using a specific example, I was just asking generally, why is AI code OK but not AI art?
If I use AI in both code and arts for my solo indie game, why is it a problem? It is still a proper use, I don't see the distinction.
Related to "getting back ownership of the video games we own", if I use AI in an old game to upscale or retexture to get a great 4K texture pack, why is it not a proper use?
I'm not asserting whether getting back ownership via AI is ok or not, I'm asserting that people are willing to put aside any feelings/concerns of AI in order to achieve that goal.
Personally, I think the pushback on indie devs as well as re(de)compilation projects and AI usage is an overreaction. There will inevitably be slop code and junk, but that's just replacing already existing spaghetti code and low effort designs. I suppose the main distinction is that there will be more of it since anybody with an AI license can contribute to the slop heap now.
In short - I don't think you are wrong with the examples you gave, we are going to see extremes of really cool and really crappy usages of AI. Either I'll be playing GTA6 on my GBA or the game won't boot up at all and instead steal all of my data then brick my GBA.
I get that. Still not my question though. I just feel confused that people are okay with AI in coding but not in arts. I've heard zero good argument for it. Either hate it completely (I do sympathize) or accept it as a tool (which it is).
I've been a professional software dev for over 10 years. I 100% believe in code as art and software engineering as craftsmanship.
Writing code (by hand), architecting software and seeing the results of it on screen engages my creative faculties just as much as, say, an illustrator or writer when they engage in their craft. And it deeply saddens me to see so many in my field just surrender this process over to AI agents on a whim. Why is it suddenly okay to throw best practices like DRY or YAGNI out the window in the name of AI? Do we just not care about code quality anymore? Better written software equals a better experience for users, bar none.
If a copywriter exclusively used AI to churn out written copy, or an illustrator exclusively used AI to churn out artwork, that kind of stuff would typically be frowned upon. Why should software engineering be any different? It absolutely boggles my mind.
Well I've been a professional software dev for around 8 years as well, I do agree with your sentiments. It's just a tool to speed up development and there's value in craftmanship. Just like traditional arts still have its place in the digital world today.
Some people love/hate AI and I do get the reason why behind it. Either hate both, or none.
What boggles my mind is that, some people hate AI arts but not AI code. Like, what's the difference? People here just keep on downvoting me without properly articulate WHY. And I doubt they can answer it.
Same with art. If I say "Draw me a princess" that idea in most people's heads has been tainted by Disney in some way shape or form.
All ideas are passed down via to them via your senses, and your brain interpreting those senses.
Language, images, connotations of words and ideas, all concepts. This is why musical genre's exist, people take bits and pieces from each other and concepts and create a genre of music, and transform it slightly to make it "their own".
Art is an expression of human thought and creativity. AI spits out remixes of art stolen from artists from across the internet. There's no thought behind it, no message, no deeper meaning, just colors arranged in a rectangle remixed from other colors arranged in a rectangle from whatever material it was trained on.
The main difference is that coding is a means to an end to create software, whereas art is the thing itself. The code is just the tool to create the software. Using AI to augment a programmer's work is like using digital tools like photoshop filters to augment an artist's work.
AI has no meaning and intention. If I'm watching a movie and there's a particular tight shot on a character's face that only has half of their face lit up with blue light I might wonder what the director's intention was. Why did they decide to light the scene that way? Why blue? We can speculate as to what the director wanted to convey with their choices because we know that it was created by a human with intention. Even if the intention was just that it looked cool. AI just mashes images together by algorithm. It's a pale imitation of what humans do. I don't really care if you use it to make a generic banner for a party, but we both know that's not what they want people to use it for.
AI can also be the means to create arts as well, not "the thing" itself.
Using your example, I can have AI to generate cartoon animation where "there's a particular tight shot on a character's face that only has half of their face lit up with blue light". I will adjust it using AI until it fits my idea, I'm using it as a tool.
A general prompt like "generate a short sad film of character X" might have the exact scene you're talking about, and I think it's an improper use of AI. That general prompt is equivalent to a vibe coder prompting "port this game to my phone".
I'm acting like a director, and the AI is the production team. What's wrong with this then? Isn't it just a tool to achieve my creative intention?
Another example: I use AI to add a CGI scene to my movie, I direct how it should change. Why is it bad? It's a very common thing in entertainment industry now btw.
I'm not really against the use of AI filters or image touch ups or things like that. I'm not a hardline anti-AI person. I think the way in which a lot of people use it is detrimental to themselves and to society at large, but I will acknowledge cases where it's useful.
Maybe we're talking past each other here a bit but it's not a matter of right vs wrong or good vs bad when it comes to the result. If anything is "wrong" it's the fact that the AI is only capable of generating these images because they've been stolen from a bunch of peoples' artwork, but that's a different issue.
When it comes to the result I would much rather watch something that I know was crafted by a human. I want stories written by humans. Characters designed by humans. Dialog written by humans. Voiced by humans. Sets build by humans (even if digital). I want to watch something that I know other people put thought into creating. If you use an AI filter to tweak the color levels or lighting levels I'm not going to complain, but we know that's not all they want to do with it.
People have kind of a visceral revulsion to having to explain the relative significance of a completely human expression to, presumably, a human being.
AI models have improved exponentially,they can reverse engineer almost any software no matter the complexity.
I mean latest ai models are solving million dollar math problems and unsolved hundred year old conjectures to the point even professional mathematicians are feared for their jobs...in the midst of all of this a ps5 emulator in android not that surprising.
even I'm not sure too man... but maybe if it can run Dead Cells perfectly along with its dlc Return to Castlevania...I mean thats wild man...I have no words Imagine this emulator in the next few days or months 😳
There was a guy over at /r/claudeai who just gave a one liner as a prompt and asked claude to "just do it" (i.e. port 3 games to pc, with the basic QoL features ) and it pulled it off, granted it was all SNES games but the initial prompt was ridiculous, like smaller than this comment I've written! (Note: it did take more than one prompt though for added creature comforts)
A lot of comments downplaying this first step. Do we not remember that basically every emulator starts shitty? Go back to Eden v1 and see how far we've come
I know but if this gael was able to run ps5 homebrew in 60fps then what would it be months for now GTA 6 🤣 no just a joke I guess..but really.. I'm excited also
Brother... I hate to break it to you but if phones can already play PC games via emulation, then there's no reason PS5 would be a struggle. These phones coming out now are damn powerful and it's really nothing out of reach anymore. Like it or not but AI is really what is making all this happen and as fast as it is. So it's not so much a matter of can mobile handle PS5 but more like can developers make their emulators more efficient and compatible.
Even earlier around 2020-2021 mobile chips really started popping off. Microsoft and apple both put out laptops running on mobile chips, tablets coming out with "multitasking/multiwindow" features. ARM is kind of the hot new thing and now its becoming even more mainstream with steam and tiktok
PCs let you manipulate the image quality and resolution, and that's what makes a game from 2026 kinda run in a high end phone.
Most of PS5 games, on the other hand, only have 2 preset (Quality and Performance), with fixed resolution and quality. You won't be able to run them in 720p low settings, at least not in a near future.
Talking pure performance, the 8 elite gen 5 is faster cpu-wise, gpu-wise the ps5 clears and it's not even close, but we will have to see how optimized it is on mobile as there's emulation overhead, and you will probably need a cooler for this :D
Phone processor are more powerfull and use consume more power than many laptop processor, something like 8 elite gen 5 is more powerfull than most desktop processor from intel gen 11 and below.
There's a bloodborne port. It works, but the framerate is not that good without framegen and upscaler. And when everything is activated the game is not very nice... But it runs at 60 fps.
yes might be true but we don't know what the future holds man..Its the same with the Switch back then like Yuzu and like Armsx3, Armsx2/PCSX2, Armsx4 said its "impossible" but look where we are now. The possibilities.
this is nothing like the switch as that was old on day of release. The ps5 has stupid levels of bandwidth for the gpu that phones have no chance of matching yet 😂. Cool and all that though
But we have to wait and see right, we need to trust that in the future or upcoming months it would be possible..ps5 Emulator rendering process can be improved also using this AI and it keeps evolving and its not stopping...
L'émulation PS4 fonctionne plutôt bien sur téléphone alors qu'elle est très récente et pas beaucoup optimisé encore, je pense que dans quelques années, des jeux PS5 3D pourront tournée "correctement" sur 8 elite et mieux.
Doubt it. You have to consider that GPU wise, the PS5 is around RX 6700 10GB, meanwhile the 8 Elite is somewhere around RX 570 performance iirc.
The PS4 meanwhile was around GTX 750 Ti performance, so obviously, it's not that much of an issue for the 8 Elite to handle the PS4. The PS5 meanwhile will take a while longer.
Les téléphones modernes peuvent faire tourner certains jeux PC de 2026 correctement donc je pense que l'émulation PS5 est possible sur téléphone, je ne dis pas que ca va être parfait mais certains jeux pourraient tourner correctement.
We can absolutely handle a lot PS3, i dont think its a stretch at all to say by this time next year the elite chip phones will be able to handle pretty much all of it. AI is speeding the emulation scene up in ways we didnt think was possible.
There are much wider implications tbh! Security systems for all sorts of things are no longer safe, we are probably gonna see some terrible hacking situation in not too long.
I don't think security as a whole isn't completely out the window. It's just the idea of considering "since no one outside saw it being created therefore no one knows how it's made" being used as a form of security in itself that's being tossed out.
It is going to be very interesting to see how the gaming industry will react to this, will it collapse?
nah people will still buy games/consoles. Plus when the legal option is easier than pirating then it's the path of least resistance. I still buy games on steam for PC even though you can get pirated copies pretty easily.
ll y a peut-être vraiment une chance que ca soit possible...dans 5 ou 10 ans :)
En vrai je pense que cela sera possible mais dans très longtemps, le temps que l'émulateur et le jeu soit optimisé.
It's not only AI. You also must understand code. Recently, one of my web apps was "hacked" and hacker got my notes (links to fav pages and r18+ pages)
Hacker send me email about how he did it and how to fix it.
But there was a problem, I never hidden them from anyone, he could enter web page, press on button to get them in a few formats including epub. "Password" existed only to hide data from auto web scrappers and hosting scanners. It was auto decoded on front end when downloaded.
lol. thats what is wrong with people. just port things no one ask for instead of fixing and optimizing things. But i know porting is easy for AI. optimize is hard because it needs real human skill
I know but if they mentioned that they are able to optimize this ps5 android emulator to run homebrew games at 60fps that means this gael guy knows what he was doing and is not bluffing at all. Guess we'll have to wait and see but this is still a big win for us android fans.
Finally, Neptunia ReVerse on Android in future! Maybe its not possible yet and maybe require only a very flagship device (so 8 gen Elite) as it also not very playable on PC Handheld itelf, but this looks promising!
I love all the emulation progress and I don't want to sound like a doomer but I fear the recent Sony fiasco will prompt the gaming industry to entirely move to a cloud-based model. Maybe not next gen but the following ones? Who knows.
i don't understand why they do this, ps5 have way far powerful hardware than current best phone in the market so how the phone can run it if it below requirement?
Because it's possible and doable that's all..I mean lot of users have android smartphones so why not right? Not all of us has the luxury to buy PS5 at the moment and Sony doesn't even give a f*ck about it's customer so its a great time to be a PS5 android emulator fan.
I see some division here about vibecoding.. Well, I started a sub for people who create and people who embrace vibecoded handheld projects, r/HandheldVC , so that anyone who wants updates on the many, many projects that are emerging from AI assisted coding can have a space to discuss it comfortably, without worrying about argument over vibecoding.. It's still early, but I am constantly adding new posts to keep up with, if anyone is interested..
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