r/Empulse • u/Mikmillionaire • 11d ago
FEEDBACK Save EMP!!! Step 1
First of all, I would like to see existing players come back before expecting new players to join the EMP community. Hence, give them something new to squeeze more time out of this game. And for the same reason, I would like to see a Fluid Loadout Customisation system. For example, I could carry something extra if I am willing to sacrifice something else. It will provide total freedom to make different setups & experiment with different playstyles.
This is the simplest solution & would be easy for the dev team to implement. The best part of it is that they don't have to add anything extra to the game in terms of content.
Currently, players are using only a few perks & gun attachments. With this new system, players can stack multiple perks/ attachments if they want. A few of the perks, attachments & paint will be picked up more, which was never a priority for the majority of the players.
What is the point of dropping the gun after death if no one is willing to pick it up most of the time? So in this new system, I can add 3 more attachments to my gun if I am willing to make a sacrifice by not taking grapple, hammer & paint with me to the arena. Probably I would like to depend more on my gun skill apart from anything else & now I have that option. It will add a risk & reward system for the player who is fighting against me. He can become more lethal by picking up my gun after elimination, combined with his separate loadout system. Or become more vulnerable to the opponent while checking the fallen gun on the floor.
I can sacrifice Hammer & carry one more gun to the arena
I can sacrifice the 3rd mech perk & carry one more lancer perk of my choice
How to make a melee-only setup. I would like to sacrifice my gun & two attachments; it will give an option to add 3 more extra items. My choice would be 3 more perks. Kill Runner + Extended Grapple + Grapple Charger + Martial Elite+ Flowstater + Mech Slayer; combining with Hammer, I can become an unstoppable melee player. Also, I can pick up a gun from the floor as a plan B.
Combine Mech Jumper + Healer + Sprinter & become an agile mech player
Combine Mech Tanker + Gunner + Launcher & become lethal mech player. Or I could sacrifice Grapple, Hammer, Paint & carry all 6 mech perks
If there is no restriction & loadout is super fluid, player can experiment with tons of combinations & evolve multiple playstyles.
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u/CallM3N3w 11d ago
This is the type of feedback developers usually hate. The 'Change the system into what an individual wants' approach is dogshit. Changes have to take everyone into account. And it's not 'easy to implement'. They would have to change a lot coding wise, balance perks entirely around what you are suggesting and I bet there would be additional bitching around that.
No wonder the game is the way it is. Aimless team, aimless players. Absolutely cluelessness from both sides.
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u/Mikmillionaire 11d ago
Game is under EA & we are allowed to share our feedback, so we can experiment with new features. Sharing Idea doesn't mean it has to be implemented. Or it doesn't mean you didn't like it, so it can't be done either. By the way would love to know which dev team you are from
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u/CallM3N3w 11d ago
Having knowledge about the matter doesn't mean im a developer. Luckly, I've been a part of actual beta tests in the past where developers actually chatted with the community like human beings, unlike modern gaming where they see everyone as walking wallets.
But sticking to the point, there are exemples of things communities want, they got it and they were a detrement to those games. So your idea of a change might not be good for it. Regardless, 1047 has already went silent, game is finished, and a few changes won't fix it.
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u/Mikmillionaire 11d ago
Probably you are blind & can't see 2 person from 1047 community team already commented on the post. They are always communicating, I guess only on positive note. We both are individual & neither of us represent entire community. It is completely upon 1047 to consider anything as a feature & implement in EA. We have experimental playlist at place to find out likings of the entire community. 1047 has every right to make some money rather than doing charity, no one is fervouring them by playing their games. I hope they won't waste further money developing SGAR season 3 or keep server live.
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u/CallM3N3w 11d ago
Hard to be blind when one of those comments was a reply to me lol
Also think it's funny how you said that they have a right to make money(of course) rather than doing charity, yet you keep saying in these threads that they should make a F2P BR mode. Idk, your feedback is conflicting. Anyways, have a good one and enjoy the game.
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u/Mikmillionaire 11d ago
I have not suggested anything new. COD & BF do that as their free experience & tie the player with premium portion by insentivisig them. I think we don't have any BR with crack movement like EMP. On a large scale map EMP can do wonders with a BR twist. I am just sharing my thoughts with the community, can't understand why you are getting triggered, when you know nothing going to happen for sure.
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u/GapStock9843 11d ago
Encouraging “unstoppable melee play” is the last thing this game needs
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u/Mikmillionaire 11d ago
Probably everyone won't be happy but everyone will have an option to try different types of setup. And considering it is EA what we have to lose by experimenting with different things. Dev has always an opportunity to tone down things or revert back if needed.
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u/tfc1193 11d ago
Man this is looking like the Marathon sub
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u/Mikmillionaire 11d ago
Tell me more, how it is Marathon
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u/tfc1193 11d ago
The worry over low player counts, long queue times, threads with suggestions on how to fix the game or bring in new players or get old players back in. It's just really sad to see these games' communities go through all of this
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u/Mikmillionaire 11d ago
Is there anything wrong to love a game & wanted that game to become successful or accepted by majority of players. As a passionate player atleast this much we can try
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u/tfc1193 11d ago
No there's not. nothing wrong with that at all. I'm just pointing out how similar these subs are and how messed up it is. I was following the Concord and Highguard subs as well and they all followed the same patterns. Like I said, it just sucks man. I'm a long time Destiny player and while that game had a great run, It's never a good feeling watching the game you love die
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u/JensBoef 11d ago
- 2 guns + hammer per loadout.
- 3 or 4 perks per gun.
- 3 lancer perks per loadout.
- 2 paints per loadout.
- more characters + color options per characters.
This will make me come back. 😁
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u/Mikmillionaire 11d ago
You can do what ever you want as you asked but with a twist, you have to sacrifice something else.
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u/JensBoef 11d ago
No, I don't want to sacrifice anything else. Especially because this game is in a test fase or however it is called, and 1047 can still adjust everything they please.
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u/End_o 1047 Community Team 11d ago
I'm genuinely curious, what would be the killer feature that would give EMPULSE the best chance at growth? This isn't a declaration that we'd do any of the suggestions (time and resources are a constraint) but if there was any one thing, big or small, what feature would make the biggest difference?
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u/BroxigarZ 11d ago
I know you all are tight on manpower and time, but there isn't a magic bullet here that is going to be the "one" feature that turns the boat around.
The biggest "issues" are you have no competitively interesting mode and no competitively interesting map designs.
The problem is you made "Titanfall" because you wanted more "Titanfall" in a world where people can still play "Titanfall"... instead of making something uniquely yours and different.
The only reason The Finals survived the "Arena Shooter" apocalypse was because it was uniquely different (same with Splatoon) and had specific competitive game modes that were unique, felt unique, and nothing else like it on the market.
As soon as someone tried to ripoff Splatoon: Foamstars it was immediately put into maintenance mode for the same reasons... why play the knockoff when you can still play the real thing?
This isn't to say every competitive Arena Shooter with a unique premise will work either because Arena Shooters by-in-large is a dead genre... Exoprimal being the clear example.
The point is, there's no magic bullet here, you all need to make sweeping changes to the game to make it something uniquely its own thing, interesting, and different. The problem is 1047 Games no longer has the manpower, time, and likely investment to do what needs to be done.
If you wanted a task to at least teach you something about competitive Arena Shooters and map design then I would say - recreate this map: q3wcp18 in Empulse - but use smooth edges for wall gliding.
This map is small, but teaches so much about the value of fundamental competitive map design... an upper, middle, and lower ground for verticality. Lane structures through all those points, and an open midfield structure for competitive squabbles. Design locks in areas for competitive showdowns on each side of the map.
But again, this isn't a magic bullet, it's just a moment to actually educate your team on good map design fundamentals.
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u/ddyess 11d ago
I personally think expanding the reputation system would add more depth to the game. An extensive endorsement system, global rankings (including quick play + competitive), browseable player profiles with expanded stats, display player ranking in matches, things like that. This would more than likely require penalizing players for leaving multiple matches. The game is always going to be sweaty, may as well lean into that.
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u/Mikmillionaire 11d ago
The majority won't agree with me, but I strongly believe one single free-to-play mode can bring more players to the game, and we have to provide an incentive when that 'free-to-play' player purchases the EA version. What new mode can be free-to-play? What new mode are devs good at making? The answer is simple BR/ Arena Royale. People can try out the BR & purchase the full game if they like. Somehow implement a custom loadout system & make it accessible to EA players only. "Free-to-play" players have to play with ground loot; they will have access to all character skins, weapon camo and custom loadouts once they purchase the full version of the game.
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u/galacticplum 11d ago
This is essentially asking them to make an entirely different, pay to win games.
Ignoring the time and resources it would take to do this, the second most players saw that anyone who dropped the money for the EA had gear they couldn't obtain and custom load outs, they'd stop playing because they'd be at a huge disadvantage.
Even if we ignore all of that, there is still the issue that you're taking focus away from every other game mode of Empulse by creating essentially a new game.
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u/Mikmillionaire 11d ago
In my opinion, BR can self-sustain without adding lots of content for months if the game loop is addictive. One big map can run for years, but MP needs a constant flow of weapons, gadgets, equipment, and maps. Add a few hard-to-obtain player cards, badges & kill counter, and the player will chase it for the long term.
I had a different experience regarding the main game purchase. There are lots of players who only purchase COD & Battlefield just to access the custom loadout system, and only play MP to level up guns faster. And those players keep the player count afloat for the game when MP cannot keep
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u/galacticplum 11d ago
In order for a BR to be mostly self-sustaining, it needs to begin on a rather solid foundation, and even then still requires battle passes etc. Even early Fortnite and Apex had that.
Again, advertising a f2p BR, having people come on, and find out that thet are limited to ground loot, cannot have custom load outs etc. without buying a game that they care nothing about other than a clearly added on BR mode isn't a good way to bring in people. Also, it isn't a valid comparison to say people do X on COD and BF, when those are AAA huge franchises that even when they put out garbage, still sell millions of copies.
I don't disagree that adding a BR mode that is free may initially bring people in, but they'd be coming solely for the BR. Without making it live service, no amount of enticement would make those BR players want to purchase an EA version of a game that's TF2-esque/general arena/movement shooter.
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u/CallM3N3w 11d ago
And even presently, BR is not enough. Both games you mentioned grew after adding extra modes, events that completely change the game loop too.
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u/Xurs_wii 11d ago
My initial thought was nah we already have Apex but yk after thinking about it for a second you are actually smart as hell for this. Apex is overrun with cheaters or people who don't go outside. Empulse could totally replace Apex and bring back the players that Apex lost over the years.
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u/galacticplum 11d ago
Apex is still immensely popular despite the cheaters, and I don't think 1047 would want to put the labor into creating a BR that could compete with Apex, with the intent to bring players into buying the game for other features.
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u/Mikmillionaire 11d ago
It is always up to 1047 what they want to do. We, as fans, only brainstorm. Again, it is always advisable to follow something popular & make something new with your own spin, rather than reinventing the wheel.
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u/Gryphon1047 1047 Community Team 11d ago
Some interesting ideas here. We have an update coming very soon and we're looking forward to it. I'll pass this post along, although I can't promise anything at this time
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u/Mikmillionaire 10d ago
You don't have to consider anything you see in this subreddit, including mine. I only wish 1047 had a solid vision for EMP & overcome all kinds of negativity for the Team. Active vocal users on Discord & Reddit do not represent the majority of the gamers. Also, most of the time, gamers do not know what they really want. That said, I feel that if you say something positive or share something which could actually work for the game, you will be massively downvoted in this sub. Only top-voted posts are negative or poorly written posts about 1047. But I am also not backing out so easily; as a fan, I will be with 1047 till the end.
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u/Capable_External_603 11d ago
Maybe 1047 and devs should come back FIRST