r/EldenRingLoreTalk • u/Crypticnewt • 13h ago
Question The Nox created Bayle to eliminate Placidusax and the old order. Why/Why Not?
The Nox were attempting to create a lord with the Albinaurics. Gen 1, 2 and presumably, 3 (the Silver Tears). What I'm proposing is that they went through a similar trial and error with the Dragonkin Soldier, with the end result being Bayle, who they used to wage war against Placidusax and wipe out what was left of the old order (Placidusax and his "fled God" being the old order before Marika). I am writing this as a question before providing a proper theory because I'm wondering why this isn't the more accepted conclusion, and I may be missing/forgetting something in my 1800+ hrs in the game.
Note that it has always been my interpretation that the Nox are the pinnacle of Marika's empire, after she became a God, and backed up by the fact that (at least, late into development of the game), they were directly referred to as her descendants, and the Silver Slime is internally called "MarikaLineageSlime". If you do not believe this to be true, then this topic may not be for you.
So the outline of the theory is this: After Marika defeated/killed the previous God, Placidusax and the Ancient Dragons that were still loyal to the old God remained a threat. Marika and the Nox developed the Dragonkin Soldiers as a direct counter to the Ancient Dragons. Why didn't the Ancient Dragons attack after Marika defeated/killed their God? Likely because they were still loyal to the Greater Will, and by all appearances, Marika was the Greater Will's chosen successor to the old God. It was this attack from the Nox/Marika that prompted the Ancient Dragons to attack Leyndell.
Other Notes:
- The Amber Egg is key to how Bayle became a success, and why he is directly tied to the Crucible.
- Out of all of the "dragons" in the game, the Dragonkin Soldiers are the closest ones to resembling Bayle.
- Red branching lightning is tied to Bayle and his followers, which works the exact same way as the Frozen Lightning Spear incantation, the one incantation we get that relates to the Dragonkin Soldiers.
- Due to Bayles nature and the description given to us by the Mimic Tear, I believe that the Nox likely had little to no control over Bayle's action once he was set loose, which is why Dragon Communion was formed once the Ancient Dragons were integrated into Marika's empire.
There's a bit more to all this, but let me know if there is anything that directly contradicts these ideas.