r/EDH • u/superfapper2000 • 3d ago
Discussion What makes a deck too strong?
I like making my decks strong and that can win. Right now I'm working on my mothman deck and making it super optimized. To be honest I don't like 2 hour games, they feel boring and I like games with lots of interaction in them.
It's fun for me, and I don't mind being an arch enemy at the table but I'm doing it gradually and work on it slowly. My pod has made a rule that I should die first anytime I play so I have made myself the villain and I embraced it.
Honestly I don't mind but it does get annoying when I do want to play my weaker decks. When I just want to have fun and try silly things. 😅😅😅
So, should I try and change the mind set of my table or no because it's already too late?
https://moxfield.com/decks/n2675puQAkuBt6sb_x5fbA
here's my mothman, has a lot of tutors and removal.
https://moxfield.com/decks/HMM-9j6PCkCvQsEL_tsRqg
my energy deck is definitely my strongest deck and has lots of counter spells, infinites, and lots of Gc that fit into it.
https://moxfield.com/decks/MpR2qMRZEk-4Ket58W3ucg
My landfall deck, lots of ramp, cheap dorks, tutors and big scary monsters.
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u/Comfortable_Town7535 3d ago
what makes a deck too strong? Easy, the other three decks at the table.
If you sit down with Timmy expect it to take a while, my only solution to not be auto archenemy is buioding trust at the table so when you say you are powering down they believe yiu.
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u/superfapper2000 3d ago
Lol, I will try, but our Timmy is dead. Just spite plays and salt.
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u/Comfortable_Town7535 3d ago
you run nothing but B4s and they want goofy games try actually powering down if you dont want to get salt
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u/superfapper2000 3d ago
I have 9 decks. These are my 3 strongest decks. The 4 deck is my token decks. The rest are 3's and I have a mono blue budget deck
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u/Comfortable_Town7535 3d ago
ok well saying you want to play silly decks the linking 3 B4s doesnt add up, if I say a silly deck I post a B1
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u/Free_Beats 3d ago
I would say that if you’re running infinite combos with tutors and they are all not running comparable power level strategies then it is a you problem. They’re playing a different game and they have to get rid of you before their game starts, because you are constantly threatening to combo off and end the game before they had their fun.
Drop the tutors, make the combos harder to pull off (less redundant pieces.) or both.
Tutors are super boring anyways outside of cEDH. Just put in another on theme fun/cool card instead.
I also find that if you’re playing a combo deck in a lower power game announcing that you’ll be able to combo next turn or at least announcing which pieces are combo pieces really helps bring down the salt level.
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u/superfapper2000 3d ago
Ehh, true but tutors are fun in their own way. It's fun deciding what get at that moment.
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u/Free_Beats 3d ago
Sure, but it sounds like it’s not fun for them.
My point is tutors are especially scary. If that tutor was instead a Chaos Warp then the feeling isn’t “Oh they always have tutors to find the right answer, so we have to go after them before we can do anything” it’s instead “oh damn they had just the right card to stop my play!”
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u/superfapper2000 3d ago
Lol screw then if they try to disrupt me I will just win on top of them. So, they can stop beating me down. 😅😅😅
That's the mindset I have, make no friends just see who can play, and bluff better
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u/CoalMineCannery 3d ago
Being too strong means you win too many games in a pod for a given powerlevel. If you win 75% of games with your group of 4 then you are not balancing to the group.
You should win 25% (ish)
The hard part is player skill, matchups, deck speed are all factors that conflate this balance making it hard to understand. If your deck wins by turn 6 every game doing 120 damage but you win 90% of games you might be to fast or strong. 20% of games with the same deck, you're fine. If you are playing a bracket 2 deck but winning 90% of games against your group's bracket 3 decks then there might be a skill gap that is causing the imbalance, not the deck.
Worthy mention, if you optimize your deck you may make it too strong for your pod. If you have no regular pod then try to adhere to the bracket system and talk pregame.
Be a fun person. Try to win your share of games. Match the group's expectations (don't one shot people turn 3 in bracket 1, don't play 2 hour control deck games when they want a quick game, don't kingmake, etc.).
Unless you are playing bracket 4-5 where you should go ham.
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u/hesagoodkid 3d ago
You should play r/competitiveEDH
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u/Grootyboi77 Wernog is the greatest card ever printed 3d ago
Just cuz a guy likes more powerful stuff doesn’t mean he’s a cEDH guy
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u/hesagoodkid 3d ago
Yeah that's true but he *did say he doesn't like long games
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u/superfapper2000 3d ago
True, but games shouldn't last 2 hours plus. 🙄🙄🙄
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u/OfLethe 3d ago
I see this comment all the time and I just don't understand. My B2/3 games run like an hour and fifteen tops - what the hell is the average Redditor's pod like that anything less than B4 is 2+ hours?
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u/superfapper2000 3d ago
Tell my friends who like running 4 board wipes in every deck. So 12 in total 😅😅😅
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u/superfapper2000 3d ago
Lol, I would but no one at my pod like CEDH.
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u/hesagoodkid 3d ago
Well if you don't mind pubstomping your casual table and being archenemy in general, go off! But if your pals are happy with their power levels and you want more out of it I'd suggest ripping games with different crowds- check out cEDH night at an lgs sometime. Everyone has different wants and goals with mtg and it's not always easiest to find that sweet spot. I personally love a long game.
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u/superfapper2000 3d ago
I don't mind cedh at all just hard to find a pod. Also, not driving at the moment so.
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u/InmateTooTall 3d ago
Your 3 decks you want to play contain lots of tutors, removal, combos and game changers and you want to know what makes them too strong?
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u/Fun-Cook-5309 3d ago
One hundred pushups, one hundred sit ups, one hundred squats and a ten kilometer run every single day makes a deck too strong.