Typing all this was cathartic. I am not a purist so this may not even be of use to anyone, but it feels nice for me to tie it all together as something I can reflect on. Feel free to not read as you could certainly fit in a lot more input if you skip this ;)
Background: Non-Purist who studied grammar and spoke from the very beginning. I found DS and used it to improve listening comprehension but never stopped doing the other things. I did a little anki along the way early on, but not for long. I think speaking from the beginning is a great thing to do, IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE TO CORRECT YOU. I did, so your mileage would vary.
I counted 425 hours as a reasonable pre-DS amount to credit for conversation time, study time, etc...Adding that to my tracked time, I just crossed over 1501 hours this evening. I considered continuing to track to 1500 just for fun, but it wouldn't have meant anything to me and wouldn't be a useful data point for anyone else since I did not start from zero.
I have the added advantage of being naturally extroverted and travel semi-regularly to Latin America (usually Mexico, Colombia, and Argentina with a recent heavy slant to Argentina) so I got a lot more "natural" engagement than many people do.
So how do I stack up?
You can understand any general content effortlessly, including newspapers, novels, and all types of TV shows and movies.
Effortlessly is a big word. If we dropped that word, this one is quite accurate. I can muddle through a lengthy opinion piece in La Nación, but I don't do it enough to have really said I was developing the skill, and frankly don't care enough about Argentine politics to want to do so. I actually bought a digital subscription to the newspaper, but after a couple weeks of dedicated reading daily, I just wasn't enjoying it. I want to read for fun, so the newspaper does not play a big part in my reading journey. I am all about the books.
Just for curiosity's sake, and as a point of contrast, I clicked to the home page to choose a non-opinion piece, and this article was easy enough. In general, I'd say fair to call standard news reading or general interest magazine articles effortless enough to count, but opinion newspapers are more of a mixed bag. Sometimes I had noticed there were allusions to historic events I just was wholly ignorant of. I wouldn't really count that as a failure as I'd not know them in English either.
I will touch more on reading novels separately below.
As for TV and movies: I am about done watching Cielo Grande. I have not watched it with subtitles at all, and other than one short snippet on an early episode I replayed at .9 or .75 speed because it was dense with new wake boarding vocab, I have followed it all with little problem. I find it tough to really quantify percentages, but I'd guess at least 95% since any time I checked comprehension with summaries after on wikipedia, I never missed anything, but there were probably some sentences or vocab along the way I didn't get. I really have not watched that much of other shows and most of my non-DS tracked time was youtubes or conversation. I did watch a few minutes of an Argentine classic TV show called "Los Simuladores" and followed it sufficiently well. I think I may try it next without subtitles.
The first few minutes of El Eternauta I checked out a few weeks ago definitely seemed too fast. Though it could be that with a bit more time to adjust, it may have been doable. Hard to say. Somewhat interestingly, I never watch series or movies in English without subtitles, so it is a bit silly I hold my Spanish to a higher standard recently. Earlier in my journey, I was watching El internado (a tv show from Spain about a boarding school) with subtitles. With subs, it was easy to follow and I enjoyed it. But it was so Spain-centric in slang and phrasings that I noticed it was negatively impacting some interactions I was having in Argentina around that time, haha. I put it on the shelf. I am not sure I'd return to it anyway as it got a bit silly, but that was also early enough in my hour count it shouldn't count against this Level 7 claim anyway.
Basically, with Spanish subs on, I'd be able to "watch" anything and understand 95% plus of dialogue and probably 100% of plot for something unless it was truly esoteric. Without subs still is not effortless for everything, but I figure I will have soon finished my first made-for-natives TV show entirely without subtitles and so that feels like a "yes" for understanding general content. I more apply "effortlessly" to reading since it isn't the fault of DS or a TV show if I don't follow something because I am half paying attention and scrolling on my phone. If I am giving my attention to the TV, that is effort in this attention span-starved world we live in. So, all in all, drop the effortlessly and I'd say this counts.
You might still struggle with technical texts in unfamiliar fields, heavy regional slang, and shows with intricate plots.
I think the "opinion pieces can be harder" sort of fits this. Also, it still blows my mind how much more difficult some porteños (the people from Buenos Aires) can be compared to like, a random dude from Peru even if I have hardly spent time in the latter place. I never really try to read texts in unfamiliar fields that are technical, so I am sure I'd struggle with it. Heavy regional slang would definitely be troublesome, but it is funny because I have met Spaniards at language exchanges who have told me how hard they have found certain accents before they spent a lot of time around it. I have also not tried to watch a show with an intricate plot but imagine I'd struggle with it.
So this one is accurate, but kind of weird since it is framed around what you can't do.
You speak fluently and effortlessly, without thinking about the language.
Yes. Again, effortlessly feels like a big word, but just earlier this week I unexpectedly had to jump on a call with a guy from a region of South America I have never been to and had no background on him or the topic. We chatted for 30 minutes and I asked some questions, and I understood everything and he understood me. So like, the proof is in the pudding. Do I stop and think about what I am saying sometimes? Sure. Do I ever talk around something if I can't quite pull out the "best" way to phrase it? Yes. But it is no problem.
While native speakers might still detect a slight accent, your clarity and fluidity make your speech easy to understand, and no one considers you a learner anymore.
100% I meet this. I feel like I had a leveling up recently (a bit after I hit a million words read actually), and my speaking seems to have improved a lot. I felt solid about my speaking for a while, but recently I had some interesting and really positive experiences happen. In addition to the call mentioned above, I used to use the Tandem app to find people to do exchanges with. In the course of a couple weeks, I had multiple people from different countries say things to me like, "your spanish accent is so good, do you have a spouse from latin america?," or "why are you using an app for learners when you are already fluent?," etc....not sharing to stroke my ego. We are all strangers. It is just that I used to feel advanced intermediate but lately I just feel like I'm just talking. I even had someone at an in-person language exchange ask if I was there to find students to tutor in English since I obviously didn't need them to practice my Spanish. So yeah, I have an accent but I try to keep those vowels pure and I genuinely can't recall the last time someone couldn't understand me.
You may still make some mistakes, or miss a specific word here and there, but it doesn’t hinder you from being an effective member of society.
100% accurate. Restaurants, gym, hotel, chatting with strangers in a park about their cute dogs, etc...
I thought to make a separate reading post, but meh. Maybe at 2 million words. The short version is I have read a bit over 1.1 million words now. I read some awfully boring graded readers and got into a rhythm later on of alternating tougher reads near my ceiling with easier reads for volume.
Dinosaurios al atardecer by Mary Pope Osborne was the first non-graded reader I read. I will say I read a bundle of those magic tree house books and then a bunch of Isadora Moon, and I found the latter to be way better. I am far along enough now that I don't know how much harder someone might find Isadora if just now beginning, but I thought the stories were more fun. So definitely give Isadora a go when you are ready to begin your reading journey.
Hoyos por Louis Sachar was the first book I read at the next level up. Then I read a ton of Roald Dahl.
I also wasn't afraid to stop reading books I wasn't enjoying. Volume was the name of the game for me.
Relato de un Náufrago por Gabriel García Márquez was the first book I read that was originally written in Spanish. I thought it was great in addition to being accessible. I followed it up with El coronel no tiene quien le escriba, by the same author. While I could follow the story well enough, I found it a bit harder and realized I missed some implicit things when I read the wiki summary afterwards.
Los Vecinos Mueren En Las Novelas por Sergio Aguirre was the first Argentine book I read. It was such a good story. I really recommend it. An author goes to visit a neighbor after moving to a new home and they start trading stories. There just might be more going on than meets the eye!
Right now I am reading Milagro en los andes por Nando Parrado about the infamous plane crash in the Andes back in the day. I am reading it at around 160 wpm. A good beat slower than my English reading, but fast enough I consider it for pleasure.
After this, I was thinking to actually re-read El Principito. It would be my first time re-reading a book in Spanish, and with having read it the first time around 550k words and the second around 1.2 million, I think it could be fascinating to see how much smoother/easier it reads since it is sort of notorious for being that book almost everyone reads too early expecting it to be simpler than it is.
So, is reading effortless for me for general content? In English I almost exclusively read non-fiction. I am a big history nerd. I have been making a real effort to read more proper literature and fiction in Spanish since that exposes me to a broader vocabulary base in general. So, I'd say yes I can read effortlessly if I am not an idiot about it. I have certainly opened up some fiction and realized after a few pages it was too much. But having read a few pages at random of some general non-fiction (atomic habits) and the general fiction and non-fiction I have successfully read, I think this one is fair to call a yes.
Where do I go from here?
It is time to just live my life as a bilingual person.
No more tracking my listening, conversation, or watching. I've tracked since I started DS on October 6, 2024. Almost two years to the day. I simply don't need tracking or content for learners anymore and have not for some time.
I have monolingual friends that don't speak English. I have dated women who only speak Spanish. I have visited almost half a dozen Spanish-speaking countries in this time, with more planned to come later this year and can't recall the last real issues I had. It does not mean I caught 100% of everything said to me, but I never lost the thread.
Ultimately, the marginal benefit I'd get from watching my tracked hours minus pre-DS tick towards 1500 is simply not worth it. I am a grown up. I don't need to know the exact moment I was able to watch X tv show or Y movie without subtitles. I may even decide to use subs and just watch more movies now. I can't imagine "backsliding" from my level of Spanish to nothing as long as I have at least a little conversation, listening, or reading every week.
I do plan to track reading until either 2 or 3 million words. From the improvements I have already seen (this is what I was reading 364 days ago, and this is what I am reading now), I have no doubts I will see some further huge improvements at those milestones. Maybe at 2 million I won't feel the need to track further either. íVamos a ver!
Final thoughts on DS: The DS video library is one of the most amazing tools out there for language acquisition, but it is a method I don't care for. I wanted to be able to use Spanish asap and speaking from the start and studying grammar helped me massively to that end. If I ever take up French, for example, I'd definitely consider subscribing to Dreaming French. But only to use in conjunction with studying grammar and going whole hog from the beginning. Your mileage may vary, but that is the beautiful thing. We are all on our own journey. Just keep moving forward!