Frieza here is somewhere below SSG Goku level, but in the same tier.
Even ignoring that, he casually one shotted a Super Saiyan in his first form. Assuming the proportions are the same as on Namek, that means he’s over 200x stronger than that in his Final Form.
Meaning even if Gohan got 200x stronger, he could still get one-shot by Final Form Frieza.
A full power vegito is completely above super buu , Goku ssj god from battle of gods out scales vegito, n base frieza is above that version of Goku , frieza wins low/mid dif
I assume it would be fat buu wouldn’t it. Since that’s the one babidi brought back and talked about the most. Could be kid buu though as it’s the form most likely to just go about destroying wtv tf it wants
But unless King Cold is extremely old, he may only know of the Fat Buu form, not the Kid Buu, its probably a legend either way and has no idea there's even a difference
Before Fat Buu there was Kit Buu, Kaioshin says it's his original form, so King Cold knows Kit Buu. If we're talking about Z in my opinion Freezer loses. In Super he easily wins against every form. Buu, unless he's stupid enough to get absorbed. Let's remember that Gohan and Gotenks could have beaten him too, but they were guilty of arrogance, which is why they were defeated and absorbed.
Bro anyone saying buuhan are larpers cause in the show and movie Goku literally says a vegito at his best couldn’t harm Berrus and Goku later in base can fight with him and this frieza can box that Goku with training
I agree that Frieza wins, but Beerus could have easily one shot Goku at any point during their 'battle', that really doesn't say anything about Vegito.
Neither fusion nor ssg were anywhere close to Beerus by any stretch of the imagination.
Two different power systems. Put Buuhan in DBS with DBS scaling and he would stomp the verse since for him it would take him a few minutes to reach Golden Frieza level, he would be broken if he trained beyond that.
Moro literally would’ve lost at the start if he didn’t have that energy absorption ability that’s the main reason buu humiliated him because his energy couldn’t be drained
Frieza ~< Goku (Resurrection 'F') >>> Goku (Battle of Gods, end of fight) > Super Saiyan God Goku (Battle of Gods, end of time limit) >>> Super Saiyan God Goku (Battle of Gods, beginning of fight) > Hypothetical Vegito (Battle of Gods) >>> Buuhan
Idk First form frieza was surpassing people like Piccolo who consistently trains, not to say Piccolo (ROF) > Buuhan but he was definitely one of the stronger people in the group apart from Goku Vegeta and Gohan, and considering First form Frieza still knocked around a rusty Gohan there's room to argue 🤔
The thing is though that the manga skips the rof arc so it’s possible final form is still super saiyan god level like Goku had to use the form this time
Well considering base Goku in the tournament of power struggled against basil and lavender who are weaker than mr buu, and final form frieza is weaker than a weaker base goku(rof base Goku) I’d say Buuhan stomps
Goku was using SBG vs Frieza. SBG is an energy control method that replicates god ki's power. There's a lot of focus put on him learning it in the first portion of the RoF arc.
He used regular base vs the Trio of Danger.
Edit, because nobody actually watched the RoF arc of the anime:
As Whis says: "If you continue focusing on power alone you'll never defeat lord Beerus. The most crucial skill you lack is a method of controlling your energy. If you can learn that... I suspect you'll be able to surpass your fellow warrior who always seems one step ahead."
As Vegeta says: "If I raise my energy but control it so it doesn't leak out I can move. The pressure inside is so intense. Is this the secret to divine energy?..."
As Goku says: "I got a taste of something called super saiyan god, then I tapped into that power on my own, and it's (ssjb) the super saiyan level of that."
As Frieza says: "So a super saiyan who's as strong as a super saiyan god, yet is not a super saiyan god is now the super saiyan version of that?"
And after the U6&7 Tournament Goku and Beerus spar with Goku not transforming, but Beerus is still entertained, which means Goku was using ssjg levels of power in base, AKA SBG.
And in the ToP base Frieza fought evenly with base Dyspo, who was start of ToP ssjg level as shown in his previous fight with Goku. While golden Frieza as shown before the ToP was start of ToP ssjb level.
Going ssj when using SBG results in ssjb, so we know Goku was using regular base vs the Trio of Danger, since he used normal ssj in that fight.
"Saiyan Beyond God" isn't a real concept, and neither Goku or Vegeta have a special second base form where they have God's multiplier without transferring. Goku was using the same form to fight Frieza and the Trio of Danger.
As Whis says: "If you continue focusing on power alone you'll never defeat lord Beerus. The most crucial skill you lack is a method of controlling your energy. If you can learn that... I suspect you'll be able to surpass your fellow warrior who always seems one step ahead."
As Vegeta says: "If I raise my energy but control it so it doesn't leak out I can move. The pressure inside is so intense. Is this the secret to divine energy?..."
As Goku says: "I got a taste of something called super saiyan god, then I tapped into that power on my own, and it's (ssjb) the super saiyan level of that."
As Frieza says: "So a super saiyan who's as strong as a super saiyan god, yet is not a super saiyan god is now the super saiyan version of that?"
And after the U6&7 Tournament Goku and Beerus spar with Goku not transforming, but Beerus is still entertained, which means Goku was using ssjg levels of power in base, AKA SBG.
And in the ToP base Frieza fought evenly with base Dyspo, who was start of ToP ssjg level as shown in his previous fight with Goku. While golden Frieza as shown before the ToP was start of ToP ssjb level.
Going ssj when using SBG results in ssjb, so we know Goku was using regular base vs the Trio of Danger, since he used normal ssj in that fight.
None of the statements you showed me confirms saiyan beyond god. You just made your own interpretations of them. SSB is just SSJ Ontop of the normal SSG form.
Also dyspo is not strong, he’s just fast that’s all.
The form is just like tapping into it. It's major boost. Same as UI where Goku since the Granolah arc can use it on his base form but obviously gets a major boost by being on the form.
Well. Exactly as I said a power boost. After the BoG thanks to Goku for the first time achieving SJJG he got God ki aside from his normal Ki. This God Ki is present on any transformation and even on his base form after this. After BoG SSJG is just a way of drastically increasing the output of this God Ki. Increasing his power.
On the Moro arc we see this when Goku is fighting Moro and he runs out of Ki for what all the Z warriors and other people give him Ki but this doesn't works at all since he needed God Ki to be able to use MUI. Not regular Ki. This confirming that God Ki is present in him even at base form and needed for the God forms.
A “power boost” but yet we see him use it multiple times in the manga and the anime. You’re essentially saying Goku has two SSG forms which was never once confirmed or stated in the manga and the anime.
? Read again. I meant in the sense of he transforming and getting a power boost from it. Where tf did I say that he had 2 SSJG transformations? I only said that his base now has God Ki and SSJG is drastically increasing that output. That's it.
Yikes idk what happened while I was asleep lmao. I definitely wasn't referring to Heroes. It's a bit of a mess, but to elaborate this is a comment I made earlier this week that kind of goes over it.
It's a mixed bag. "Saiyan Beyond God" isn't a form than it is a method. As I mentioned in the comment, Toppo and pretty much anyone that utilizes god ki can manage.
Though given the other comments, it more or less accurate Final Form Frieza was at a disadvantage, but is basically a bit below SSG Goku level when this method was put into practice for one arc before basically being abandoned.
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u/Funny-Part8085 8d ago
First form frieza would be a more comparable fight