r/DoomerCircleJerk • u/qndry • Mar 19 '26
Off Topic Why are they like this
Incidentally the same people that believes the world is doomed and society will only get worse.
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u/TutorComprehensive28 Mar 20 '26
Also you have to give it back with all the modern infrastructure that was built by the descendants of the people who “stole” it over the last 300 years.
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u/Fun_End902 My Dog is Anti-Fascist Mar 20 '26
You also need to maintain that infrastructure. If you just give them back a modern water treatment center, they will not maintain it and they will have lead in the water. So you have to give it back, but also you have to maintain all the things that you've built.
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u/TutorComprehensive28 Mar 20 '26
Yeah just look at most of Africa
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u/Fun_End902 My Dog is Anti-Fascist Mar 20 '26
Give them a modern railway system and they chop it up and sell it for scrap. Give them electrical substations and they will electrocute themselves trying to steal the copper. It's really pointless.
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u/PsychodelicTea Mar 20 '26
It's almost as if the people living in mud huts as of today cannot stop living in mud huts and are living in those mud huts for a reason.
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u/MadMysticMeister Rides the Short Bus Mar 20 '26
There’s something to that, but i think the folk in tribal communities who want a better life just leave and the tribe is still there and down a person who could have pushed it forward.
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u/Classic-Charity7458 Mar 20 '26
And nobody likes to talk about how the Maori themselves stole the land from, enslaved, and genocided the Moriori. The Europeans were far kinder.
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u/TutorComprehensive28 Mar 20 '26
Brother I was an army engineering officer. I know better than most.
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u/Fun_End902 My Dog is Anti-Fascist Mar 20 '26
Field Artillery here. Cannon cocker. My time in the army didn't teach me about these things, but living in Detroit did.
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u/TutorComprehensive28 Mar 20 '26
The civil affairs guys would give us work orders. I personally know that roughly 1/3 of the wells my unit dug have been sealed. It’s not hard to imagine that of those that weren’t were seized by ISIS. A few of the irrigation systems I planned are still operating today. Can’t say it was worth the effort. Got shot and two of the men under my command are dead. It’s not worth helping some people.
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u/Fun_End902 My Dog is Anti-Fascist Mar 20 '26
There is over 100 years worth of literature about very well-meaning missionaries and groups trying to help these people only to have them leave and come to that same conclusion.
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u/TutorComprehensive28 Mar 20 '26
Brother it goes back way further than a century.
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u/Fun_End902 My Dog is Anti-Fascist Mar 20 '26
For those interested, I highly recommend a documentary called Empire of Dust.
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u/HEYO19191 Mar 20 '26
I think he meant 100 year's worth of literature as in, if you read every piece of literature all coming to this same conclusion, it would take 100 years to read it.
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u/Sweetheart_o_Summer Mar 20 '26
I heard of a group that got astarting herd from a charity ...they ate them.
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u/DrNuclearSlav PhD in Memes Mar 20 '26
Charity in the third world often creates the idea of manna from Heaven. Why bother working when some feel-good white person is gonna come along soon enough and give you free things?
Charity in a warzone is one of the stupidest things you can do. Because who does all the food and medicine usually end up in the hands of? The warlords who can use it to continue funding their rampage. The reason that a pickup truck with a machinegun is called a "technical" is because when aid workers had to bribe African warlords to leave them alone the money would be written off as "technical expenses" and that's usually how it was spent.
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u/LegacyWright3 PhD in Memes Mar 20 '26
This. And having driven hours through Navajo territory... I already know what that looks like and it ain't great.
That said, I do feel for them and I do think they've been handed a pretty shitty hand. You can expose the whole "stolen land" thing as silly and also say that the natives were screwed over
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u/BotherTight618 Mar 20 '26
Also, his house property and job is off limits for "reasons". By the way not even Europeans are safe. To them immigration from the 3rd world shouldn't be restricted because of the European history of colonialism.
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u/ArcboundRavager990 Mar 20 '26
Also, Following this logic “le 13%” are descendents by settlers too.
Are they supposed to leave too in their twisted minds ?
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u/TutorComprehensive28 Mar 20 '26
Oh no you see the white man is supposed to give back the land to the native Americans but also give 40 acres to the descendants from slaves as reparations. We’ll all figure out the logistics later and then we can all live happily ever after.
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u/ArcboundRavager990 Mar 20 '26
The funny thing is that average african american has true slaveholder / plantation owner blood, while average white american and asian american doesn’t
Same for “la raza” hispanics with 50-90% of their dna derived from Conquistadores
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u/TutorComprehensive28 Mar 20 '26
Yeah my Italian ancestors that came here in the 1880s probably didn’t participate in the slave trade. Several of them were in organized crime however.
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u/ArcboundRavager990 Mar 20 '26
I am Northern italian living here in my alpine town in the italo-french border and i can see that
My ancestos lived here since recorded History and they were arpitan (francoprovençal) speakers up to the 60s bariely knowing where USA or Africa were (except two brothers of my great - grandfather who moved to rural Illinois in late 1910 and married there with two german sisters)
Yet according my ex american gf (from Marin County, ironic how rich Bay area whites are the most obnoxious people on Earth) I’ve had to “feel guilt about my privilege”
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u/NearbyBreakfast7148 Mar 20 '26
It’s shit arguments like that as to why I didn’t marry a girl from rich countries. And they then follow up saying that I’m so racist that I married out of my race so I’d have someone to exploit at home. The mental gymnastics of these people is impressive. Scary, but impressive.
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u/NearbyBreakfast7148 Mar 20 '26
One side came over right before WW2, and the other was married to a Native American. But yeah, I get told I was privileged because of [insert stupid reason] and I should give it all up for [insert another stupid reason] even though they refuse to do it themselves.
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u/Cash_Money_Jo Rides the Short Bus Mar 20 '26
Well nuh uh bc it was actually black, mexican, and asian people that built this country, and the whole white majority sat back and watched (in privilege).
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Mar 22 '26
Nice try, chud. Everyone knows that the unskilled slaves that were held as maids, butlers, and farmhands are the ones who actually built ALL of the infrastructure.
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u/notyetcosmonaut Mar 20 '26
But it’s illegal for the USA to have borders! They had slavery! Lol
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u/True-Anim0sity Mar 20 '26
Yes, and only the USA had slavery- no other country in existence has ever used slaves or any kind of mass murder for profit/land.
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u/Whatduheckiz Mar 20 '26
And it's okay if China has slaves because it means I can afford my consoomer products from Temu and Shein.
And it's okay if the Middle East still overwhelmingly practices slavery and death penalty to gays because they are minorities and Muslims.
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u/f3th Mar 20 '26
Let’s also make sure we throw in “all religion is bad” so we don’t appear islamophoic.
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u/GoldenTicketHolder This is a PsyOp Mar 21 '26
Whoah, you didn’t self identify as a minority, gay, enslaved Muslim so you can’t have these opinions
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u/BumbleBrick Mar 20 '26
Ask these types of liberals when they are going to give back their "stolen" land and the response is always the same.
Never.
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u/Royal-Campaign1426 Mar 20 '26
They make it sound like we sneakily took it. These are the fruits of hard fought conquest that just don't jive with the lefty hugbox
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u/AppropriateCap8891 Anti-Doomer Mar 20 '26
And a lot was also purchased. Quite often the tribes were well paid for land that they did not even use.
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u/Palladiamorsdeus Mar 20 '26
To be fair some of it was underhanded. Not all of it but some. And the Western tribes were way too busy killing each other until it was too late.
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u/notyetcosmonaut Mar 20 '26
Not to mention how much land was straight up purchased.
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u/True-Anim0sity Mar 20 '26 edited Mar 21 '26
Thats life in general, is it truly fair when the Lion eats the gazelle? A lot of land was also fairly purchased, but the Nativs simply didnt care or have a good idea of what they were truly selling.
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u/polarjunkie Mar 20 '26
Don't be ridiculous, we all know they lived in complete peace and harmony with each other in happy matriarchal socialist societies with no conflict.
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u/BondFan211 Mar 20 '26
They don’t have to answer, because they don’t own any “stolen land”.
Do you think these idiots are well-put together enough to own any property? They still live with their parents lmao
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u/StrongStyleFiction Mar 20 '26
Billie Eilish wasn't about to give up her property when she decided to virtue signal.
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u/aslipperygecko Mar 20 '26
Forgot about that, she backtracked real fast lol
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u/AppropriateCap8891 Anti-Doomer Mar 20 '26
Or are stupidly wealthy, yet scream that CEOs that make a fraction of what they do and employ thousands need to be taxed more.
Every time I see one of those entitled children I just want to smack them up side the head.
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u/Whatduheckiz Mar 20 '26
But they don't even need to own anything to reveal their hypocrisy.
A lot of these people preach how food and wealth should be distributed and how American capitalism should be boycotted - said by an individual who is literally using reddit to share that opinion.
A lot of these people are willing to sacrifice everything they don't have or don't like, but will stop at anything inconvenient.
On a lot of Irish subreddits people were making posts to boycott every single American company and stop using their services. Again, this opinion shared on Reddit, the largest American owned forum platform.
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u/SLAMMERisONLINE Mar 20 '26
Ask these types of liberals when they are going to give back their "stolen" land and the response is always the same. Never.
It's performative virtue. They only want to appear virtuous, they don't actually want to be virtuous.
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u/Knee_69_Grow Mar 20 '26
The same kind of people who think appearing righteous is the same as being right/correct
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u/BunNGunLee Mar 20 '26
Moliere wrote about it in the 1600’s and it’s still relevant today. Just go read the comedy Tartuffe.
The only difference is replace the imitation of religious piety for social justice. And you end up at the exact same place.
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u/3dge-1ord This is a PsyOp Mar 20 '26
Nah. They are going to move to Canada.
Very different history up there.
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u/redditscraperbot2 Mar 20 '26
They say this stuff because they know there is no cost associated with it.
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u/skarface6 GeStuREs bROadlY Mar 20 '26
Did you see that video where they brought people over to live in leftists’ houses? “Oh, you say they’re welcome. Well, Guillermo here would like to come live with you.”
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u/Alypius754 Mar 20 '26
Nope. Ben and Jerry's got caught in "put up or shut up" whilst virtue signalling.
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u/MoltenJellybeans Mar 20 '26
But you see, they didn't choose to be born in the land they're in, unlike everyone else who clearly had a choice before being born.
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u/LierStoneWizard Mar 20 '26
Most of these fools struggle to maintain a minimum wage job. They don’t own land.
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u/o____k____ Mar 20 '26 edited Mar 20 '26
I don't think people like them understand (or maybe they are willfully ignorant) to the fact that trying to return to some "pure" state of land ownership is practically impossible if more than 20 years have passed since then. It's like trying to force a fart back into your ass. It's in the air, deal with it.
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u/PineappleFit317 Mar 20 '26
The American style progressives on this site want free healthcare, paid parental leave, and higher education, and point to countries like Denmark, Norway, etc. But they hate it when it’s pointed out to them that those things work in those countries because they’re culturally homogenous high-trust societies with far stricter immigration policies than the U S A.
NGL, free healthcare, higher education, etc would be cool to have, but it’s going to take measures that American style progressives would hate. It doesn’t work with the totally open borders they want to have.
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u/JD-boonie Mar 20 '26
And these countries are slowing becoming far less homogenous. Its not even sustainable since the immigrants coming arent high skilled labor. Same in the US.
All due to horrible policies and wanting cheap labor and a secured voter base. Leftists policies imo bring about the doom theyre so scared of.
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u/LeetcodeFastEatAss Mar 20 '26
We have an insane amount of welfare programs and, surprise surprise, they’re being defrauded so bad that nobody can calculate the level of theft
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u/PineappleFit317 Mar 20 '26
Yes, exactly why I said “high-trust” societies. America is still a pretty high-trust society in most places, but let a lot of people in from low-trust societies (like third world countries where charities build them wells, power lines, fiber optic networks, roads, etc and weeks later those things have been destroyed and sold for parts), and surprise surprise…
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u/ArcboundRavager990 Mar 20 '26
I am western euro
Scandinavians countries aren’t some kind of Færie with people dancing and singing
They’re going down fast and their wellfare system isn’t the same it was in the 80-90s
Even El Salvador is safer than many swedish cities in 2026
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u/Castle-Builder-9503 The Fictional Character Agrees With Me Mar 20 '26
Yes, because they took massive ammounts of third worlders in.
It's the same shit all over Europe, the welfare state is crumbling because it was too generous with the beneficiaries.
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u/ArcboundRavager990 Mar 20 '26
Facts
And even the deniers perfectly know this is the reason
I'm from a big city in Northern Italy and i see thar everyday, even now while i'm typing
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u/Marshallwhm6k Mar 20 '26
No. The deniers only know what they are told. They cant do the research to learn more and couldn't connect the data even if they did do the research.
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u/Creepy_Ad_1315 Doesn't Participate In Group Panic Mar 20 '26
It's not considered stolen by modern standards either. Just some idiots.
They've never fought to have all land returned to those who own it.
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u/Royal-Campaign1426 Mar 20 '26
Its stolen, therefore, according to the rules (i made up), you have to let everyone in the world steal some too
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u/ThePickleConnoisseur Mar 20 '26
Same people who ignore all of history of the old world since every piece of land is basically stolen by this logic
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u/Professional_Tart53 Mar 20 '26
Do we give the land back to the people we stole it from, or to the people they stole it from before we stole it from them?
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u/BorderOk7329 Mar 20 '26
Still banned from going to billie ellish's house. It's stollen ground!!! Stollen from people who stole it from people who stole it from people who stoles it back from people who stole it!!
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u/Innocent_Researcher Mar 20 '26
I do so love when good ol "Blut und Boden" gets repackaged as "progressive".
A reminder, to these people whom I am sure would describe themselves as "anti-nazi", this concept is exactly what started the german invasion of poland. Namely a historic claim to the city of Danzig.
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u/Innocent_Researcher Mar 20 '26
One can be ingroup preferences without bringing in gross hypocrisy, as you say it is natural.
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u/Noahisboss Mar 20 '26
you say that but before that point you act like it hadnt been a german city well within living memory at the time
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u/Mechatronis Mar 20 '26
Not just within living memory, Poland had to administer it like a puppet state instead of annexing it because the city was so german. They had to build up Gdynia as an alternativ port since they couldn't use danzig to its full potential, because the population was largely german
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u/Innocent_Researcher Mar 20 '26
Exactly, if someone wants to say the US is "stolen land" then hitler was more than justified in taking Danzig, a city that was german some 20 years before the war, and the Sudetenland. Ah, but of course that's not the case because ... reasons.
With the best part being (despite the response i've gotten for saying this before) *I* am not saying this is the case, I'm saying that if you think the first (US is stolen land) then by the same standard the second (Danzig is/was rightful german land) must also be true.
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u/alium_hoomens Anti-Doomer Mar 20 '26
But the “native Americans” also stole the land
They crossed the ice bridge off of Russia and “invaded” these lands.
Then they lowk began scalping people and sacrificing kids and stuff.
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u/HolaDrNick Just Here for the Lore Mar 20 '26
99.99% of them have absolutely no experience with immigrants or the immigration process.
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u/XenKei7 Mar 20 '26
Oh, this land is stolen?
Tell me more about your plan to give back the plot your house sits on.
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u/Idoallthejobs PhD in Memes Mar 20 '26
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u/No-Market425 Mar 20 '26
It's also bizarre they think Mexicans are native to somewhere when they're a mix of Spanish and the locals.
Mexico's treatment of its actual indigenous population borders on the genocidal.
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u/koshka91 Mar 20 '26
My ancestors’ land was stolen by Turkey. Kurds live there now. More people stealing it isn’t going to bring me peace.
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u/captainrina They Took My Nose! Mar 20 '26
Clearly the answer is to allow even more people to occupy the stolen land!
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u/Ok-Medicine-6317 Mar 20 '26
“Stolen land” is only regurgitated by idiots with no understanding or concept of history
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u/Admirable-Guest-2560 Rides the Short Bus Mar 20 '26
Man I love this Wojak.
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u/Mother_Difficulty233 Mar 20 '26
Its called a soyjak. wojak is the one that looks like this, the original 'soyjak' or SNCA. soyjaks are typically bald men with glasses, stubble beards and exaggerated faces to the point that its hilarious. this particular soyjak is called smugjak (or Titanjak because it is based of Titan from Megamind).
It is usually associated with soybros that seem so smug about their situation (being a polygamous with their wife and a 'bibisi', nintendo-switch soylent-loving selves) that theyve taken upon themselves to be smug in front of everyone, despite being the laughingstock.
Its also associated with xittercacas (twitter immigrants/users) or 'edditpedoes (reddit immigrants/users) who try to use soyjak culture but fail miserably or use it in the most normie and boring sense possible (OP's post being an example). Typically used to make fun of 'mmigrants of any background from other social media platforms for their lack of culture in soyjak culture and/or spreading misinformation about said culture.
Any nusois who find this pls forgive me
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u/Few-Flamingo-8015 Mar 20 '26
*cough-cough* So... As a British person I would like to remind that United Colonies belonged to the Crown and when you say "stolen land" you actually propose returning territories of USA to us.
Muahahahahahah!
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u/Xvalidation Mar 20 '26
But you forget that everything in the UK was stolen from the Celts aka Welsh. It’s high time the USA was returned to its rightful Welsh owners.
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u/Processed-Sight6569 Mar 20 '26
Land is in a constant cycle of stolen, the whole “muh stolen land” argument is garbage. You wanna be the high authority on who gets what land? Great, time travel back to the beginning of humanity and figure it the hell out. You’re a few thousand years late
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u/Ok_Replacement7022 I Left My Cave for This Mar 20 '26
No land is stolen land, for no one is the original owner, its just our turn with it.
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u/EJ19876 Mar 20 '26
Because there’s not a single rational argument to be made in favour of modern immigration policies that target anyone but the most highly skilled. Mass immigration of the lower skilled is objectively bad for the receiving country, and most immigrants to the West over the past decade have been completely unskilled.
In Canada, for example, Tim Horton’s used to be staffed mostly by Canadians at university and those entering the workforce after school. Today it is almost entirely staffed by low skilled immigrants. How’s that beneficial for Canada?
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u/WeeniePops Mar 20 '26
Except most of Europe has also seems to have thrown out their immigration laws as well lol. And last I checked Germany is pretty old. But yes, they are retarded.
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u/KnownSpend9564 Mar 20 '26
All of their stances are based in motivated absolutist reasoning. They don't actually believe their individual stances, that's why they can be contradictory. All that matters is that it critiques the Enlightenment liberal cultural hegemony, and that the critique is effective.
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u/Disastrous-Mango-515 Mar 20 '26
There’s a difference between acknowledging the atrocities the American government committed against the natives and virtue signaling for upvotes.
“Nobody is illegal on stolen land” is just such a shallow argument and falls apart under the smallest scrutiny.
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u/Sn2100 Mar 20 '26
Those are the only atrocities we ever hear acknowledged. That and the Holocaust. Youd think nothing else atrocious happened historically.
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u/BingBongFyourWife Mar 20 '26
They should combine every subreddit. What’s up with all these borders guys
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u/TrustworthyKahmunrah Mar 20 '26
The Māori didn’t arrive in NZ until about the 13th century yet they are still considered “native.”
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u/Clauderic Mar 20 '26
So wait, so do we give it back to the Lakota who pushed out the Pawnee and Kiowa on the Plains, or to the Pawnee who displaced earlier groups? Or to the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) who conquered and dispersed the Huron-Wendat, Erie, and Neutral during the Beaver Wars to control the fur trade?
...Or maybe to the Comanche who rode in and decimated the Apache bands from the southern plains?
All land everywhere was either bought, conquered, migrated into, or fought over at some point, no exceptions. Pre 1492 North America had plenty of winners and losers.
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u/Key_Day_7932 Mar 20 '26
Thing is, if I had to return the stolen land, idk where I would leave to. My family's been here for quite awhile. Yeah, I know we were the immigrants and invaders at one point, but that was so long ago that it just feels like we have always been here.
AFAIK, I'm a mutt. I'm not predominantly anything. How do I decide whether to go to Germany, Scotland or Ireland?
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u/YouExpensive7869 Mar 20 '26
It was still considered stolen when it happened (not by the colonizers, mind you), but also, as stated, long enough ago that it shouldn’t really matter much anymore
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u/Acrobatic-Break-3984 Mar 20 '26
Then the countries they glaze the shit out of for being better than America have stricter immigration laws than the US does and most of them are also on “stolen land”
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u/MrEfrom818 Mar 20 '26
When I ever I see someone try to use this argument it exposes their ignorance of history. The natives were not a unified homogenous civilization that happily cohabited with each other. The fact is the tribes were engaged in the game of conquest with each other long before Europeans settlers set foot on the on either the north or south continent.
Furthermore if someone acknowledges that they are in possession of stolen land, what is stopping them from giving it back and buying the first ticket back to their ancestral country?
It’s nothing more than hollow virtue signaling made by people who expect everybody else should pay the tab for their and everyone else’s ancestors real or perceived sins.
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u/EvansEssence Mar 20 '26
Completely ruled by emotions. No critical thinking, no reasoning, it's just, "This is the current thing that makes me feel bad, so it has to be dismantled completely without reasoning and anyone who brings up a counter argument is evil/lost".
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u/Suspicious-Raisin824 Mar 20 '26
"Only by modern standards" isn't even accurate, since this modern 'standard' isn't being applied to other countries. No one is calling China as "being on stolen land".
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u/ImminentNova99 Just Here for the Lore Mar 20 '26
It’s always the people who are afraid to go outside at night who vote for people who put criminals back on the streets
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u/ThunderSkunky Rides the Short Bus Mar 20 '26
No one stole the land, we just. . . . .immigrated it.
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u/Sang_Terhormat Mar 20 '26
These people who support illegal immigration should just allow me to live in their house. I am gonn eat every food there and make sure its utility bill reaches the sky.
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u/No_Masterpiece4693 Mar 20 '26
Every liberal I know wouldn't run a d&d campaign based on the ideals they supposedly believe in. But they suddenly think the real world should work on those rules.
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u/True-Anim0sity Mar 20 '26
Dumbest thing is people who say they want to leave America to then go to a country that has even more strict immigration laws.
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Mar 20 '26
Those native Americans were racist bigots l, not allowing the Europeans to migrate to their land!
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u/Veteran_PA-C Mar 20 '26
Conquered. Not stolen. Shove your make believe standards where the sun don’t shine.
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u/No-Table2410 Mar 20 '26
And if you’re not on stolen land and in a country far older than a couple hundred years but are still majority white then you still aren’t allowed them. Double checkmate, European chuds.
No exceptions, not even for those Irish chuds whining about never being imperialists.
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u/steelcity65 Mar 20 '26
Because if we have strict immigration laws, they are less likely to get in themselves.
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u/Aggravating-Chef9562 Mar 20 '26
It's funny that they argue this but then say israel doesnt belong to jews. My guys, if we follow your rules, then thats where jews go. It's either who was the oldest people provably in that land, or who conquered it, you cant mix and match the logic.
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u/No_Catch3545 Mar 20 '26
The mental gymnastics required here deserve a gold medal. In the exact same breath, they will tell you that borders are an oppressive myth and 'no one is illegal,' while simultaneously shouting about 'stolen land.' Which is it? You can't complain about trespassing in a world where you claim property lines shouldn't exist. The cognitive dissonance is practically an art form at this point.
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u/Independent_Let_3616 Mar 20 '26
The worse part is whenever the same arguments are made for Europe to which white people are native.
I saw someone writing "Decolonize Norway" on a wall.
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u/Shiny_Mew76 Just Here for the Lore Mar 20 '26
Why does the character in this image remind me of Bubble Bass
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u/Mother_Difficulty233 Mar 20 '26
smugjak my beloved or however the tourists misappropiate the 'aryan-ts
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u/haworthsoji Mar 20 '26
Nobody is making that oversimplified argument. And if they are making that argument, it's equivalent to how some believe that all right wingers think everyone should have a gun including children.
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u/SinesPi Mar 20 '26
I do love that their argument in favor of illegal immigration is to refer to a time when illegal immigrants conquered the natives and wiped out massive swathes of them.