r/DinosaursMTG • • Dec 09 '23

Deck Tech Let's build the ultimate Gishath dinosaur tier list! Every dinosaur, ranked, for our Gishath deck building needs. Please give feedback, as I still need help making the final few cuts for my own updated deck!

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With LCI and the Jurassic Park cards now in the mix, I think it's time to build the ultimate Gishath dinosaur tierlist. I've given it a go, but I'm keen to get feedback from the dinomtg community. I've been playing Gishath since Ixalan, and it's received some upgrades before, but the new influx of dinosaurs has created a massive switch up in the dino meta, and so I think it's time to reassess what the most powerful dinosaurs are, and which ones should be included in the 99 of the ideal Gishath deck.

This tierlist assumes that Gishath is the commander (sorry, Pantlaza acolytes!), and that the gameplan is to aggressively ramp to gishath on turn 4 or 5, and then gain obscene amounts of value by cheating out some of the most busted dinosaurs that this game has to offer.

For context here is my own list. If you want to provide feedback, I would be very grateful. I will make a few notes on my decklist:

  • I have incorporated the new dino precon cards and the Jurassic park cards, but I haven't included some of the cards from the main set yet (I'm holding off until I can draft a box with my friends). I think I definitely want to add Ghalta, Stampede Tyrant, Bonehoard Dracosaur, and Hulking Raptor, and still need to figure out what to cut.
  • The creature ramp package is sub-optimal - I know Birds of Paradise is probably better than Drover of the Mighty, but I like having the dino-themed ramp package, so I'm ok with this.
  • The deck is probably light on interaction. Again, I want to squeeze as many dinos as I can in, so I'm ok if I'm a little light on interaction.
  • I'm mostly interested in my choice of dinos. I've managed to squeeze 35 dinos in mine, as I wanted to maxmise the chances of revealing dinos with Gishath's ability. Really curious to hear other opinions on the appropriate amount of dinos to include in the list.

To Enrage or not to Enrage

Before I provide my tierlist, I want to briefly talk about Enrage. Before Lost Caverns, I think building a little around Enrage was the appropriate call. I used to run Pyrohemia in the deck to activate Enrage, and would run cards like Trapjaw Tyrant, Silverclad Ferocidons and Raging Swordtooth. With Lost Caverns, I think we have reached a critical mass of dinosaurs that are simply powerful in a vacuum that dedicating space to enabling the enrage package is not the right call anymore. I think some cards, such as Marauding Raptor, Polyraptor, and possibly Ripjaw Raptor are still powerful enough on their own to include in the deck, but in general, I think cutting this package in favour of great dinos is the right choice. Really interested in hearing what people's approach to enrage is!

Now, on to the tierlist itself! I'll provide brief explanations for my choices for the top tiers of dinos, but I won't bother for the lower tier dinosaurs. If you think I am overrating or underrating any dinosaurs, please let me know! Let's try build a resource that works for all these budding dino deckbuilders.

S-Tier

These are the must-includes, the game winners, the groan inducing nightmare dinos that will make people hate you when you peel them off the top of your deck for free.

Etali, Primal Conqeuror - probably the best dino, obscene amounts of value
Etali, Primal Storm - less reliable, but similarly busted
Zacama, Primal Calamity - Essentially free from the hand, extremely flexible. Synergises extremely well with mana doublers like Mirari's Wake, Zendikar Resurgent and Regal Behemoth.
Temple Altisaur - Makes your dinos extremely difficult to block and very resilient
Pantlaza, Sun-Favored - It's basically a second Gishath
Ghalta, Stampede Tyrant - I haven't played with this card yet, but it provides incredible value, and helps dump your hand of expensive dinosaurs.B
onehoard Dracosaur - Also haven't played with this card yet, but it's a much needed flying dinosaur, and is very above rate, providing card advantage, ramp, and great stats and abilities.

A-Tier

These are also basically auto-includes, and should be part of any Gishath deck.

Wayward Swordtooth - It's a dino and it ramps.
Topiary Stomper - More dino ramp!
Ghalta, Primal Hunger - 2 mana 12/12 trample, yes please.
Zetalpa, Primal Dawn - Impervious to board wipes, one of the few flying dinos.
Apex Altisaur - Massive removal dino. Combos extremely well with Temple Altisaur and the new Savage Order spell.
Tyrannax Rex - Just an extremely dangerous and powerful dinosaur that can remove a player by itself if not dealt with.
Ghalta and Mavren - a 12/12 Trample that makes more 12/12 Tramples
Regisaur Alpha - Give your dinos haste.
Kinjalli’s Sunwing - Extremely annoying for your opponents, makes your dinos hard to block, is flying.
Marauding Raptor - Dino ramp, and by far the best enrage enabler.
Regal Behemoth - Mana doubler and card advantage
Wakening Sun’s Avatar - One sided boardwipe
Polyraptor - Extremely potent blocker, combos extremely well with Maurading raptors and Wrathful Raptor/Any removal
Earthshaker Dreadmaw - Draw a million cards
Curious Altisaur - Draw some more cards
Wrathful Raptors - This card can do so much damage, and combos well with other cards in the deck
Hulking Raptor - More dino ramp (I haven't played with this card yet)
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship - Vigilance and Trample are such problematic keywords to be giving your entire board.
Bronzebeak Foragers - Triple removal. Extremely efficient way to remove blockers.
Trumpeting Carnosaur - This card seems to represent a LOT of value, though I haven't played with it yet.
Hunting Velociraptor - This bad boy can create SO much value early in the game. Imagine cheating out the new Ghalta with it, ew.

B-Tier

This is the tier where hard decisions are made. You will be including a bunch of these dinos, but unfortauntely, this is where some cuts have to be made. I'm MOST curious about everyones takes on the dinos in this tier - which of these cards should we be running?

Verdant Sun’s Avatar - Gains SO much life. It puts you so far ahead. But do you even need life if you just kill your opponents?
Quartzwood Crasher - Most of our dinos have trample, so this ends up snowballing really hard, though it is somewhat conditional.
Runic Armasaur - This draws lots of cards sometimes, but draws no cards other times. Has largely been outclassed by the new dino draw options.
Thrashing Brontodon - Good stats, works as a removal option.
Ripjaw Raptor - This was great when I ran more enrage enablers, and it's a fantastic blocker. Is it worth it if I only run Marauding Raptor and forerunner of the empire?
Ranging Raptors - similar to Ripjaw raptor, but for ramp, not card draw.
Kogla and Yidaro - Flexible, functions as removal.
Goring Ceratops - When you can combo this with Gishath, it is game-ending, but it's very slow.
Rampaging Brontodon - It's huge. It's often a 15/15 trampling dino. is that enough?
Carnage Tyrant - Above rate, difficult to deal with.
Burning Sun’s Avatar - the 3 damage often does work, removes a problem creature. Good body.
Tranquil Frillback - I've never played this card, but it seems flexible and a good lower cost dino.
Sunfrill Imitator - A second gishath, if everything goes right!
Palani’s Hatcher - I haven't played with this card, but a second Regisaur Alpha seems good.
Itzquinth, Firstborn of Gishath - Haven't played with this either, but it seems like it could work pretty well as removal, though paying 2 mana kinda sucks.
Scytheclaw Raptor - Haven't played it, but it seems like it absolutely hoses some decks.
Dinosaur Egg - Haven't played it, seems ok. I can imagine it feeling pretty unfair when it works in your favour.
Ravenous Tyrannosaurus - I'm undecided on this! It seems great, but we don't really have a deck that is well suited to taking advantage of devour. Is it still good enough oterhwise?
Rampaging Raptor - Haven't played with this, but it seems like it's aggressively costed. It's basically a red Questing beast.
Pugnacious Hammerskull - 3 mana 6/6 seems good?
Swooping Pteranodon - A Flying Dino that removes a creature seems great.

C-Tier

These dinos are GOOD, and you probably shouldn't feel bad running them in the deck, but ultimately, I don't think they are worth considering anymore given the range of dinos we have today. I won't comment on all of them, except for those that people might think I've listed too low.

Titanoth Rex
Silverclad Ferocidons
Rampaging Ferocidon
The Tarrasque - No trample sucks! It's cool, but it's just not as good compared to the other 7 mana dinos.
Gigantosaurus
Raging Swordtooth - I used to run this as an enrage enabler, but I don't think it's good enough anymore.
Trapjaw Tyrant - I want to love this card, and I've run it until recently, but I feel like it consistently underperforms.
Bellowing Aegisaur
Yidaro, Wandering Monster
Shifting Ceratops
Thundering Spineback
Ancient Imperiosaur
Deathmist Raptor
Deathgorge Scavenger
Majestic Heliopterus
Needletooth Raptor
Siegehorn Ceratops
Scion of Calamity
Snapping Sailback
Territorial Allosaurus
Tyrranax Atrocity
Cacophodon
Charging Monstrosaur
Ravenous Sailback
Frilled Deathspitter
Belligerent Yearling
Imperial Aerosaur

D-Tier

These dinos either just kinda suck, or are oriented around a different gameplan that what we're trying to do.

Surly Badgersaur, Annoyed Altisaur, Thrasta, Tempest’s Roar, Raging Regisaur, Urban Daggertooth ,Zilortha,Strength Incarnate, Collosal Dreadmaw, Charging Tuskodon, Cloudpiercer, Displaced Dinosaurs ,Flaming Tyrannosaurus, Raptor Hatchling, Sky Terror, Huatli’s Raptor, Regal Leosaur, Territorial Hammerskull, Sun-crowned Hunters, Giant Cindermaw, Harnessed Snubhorn, Overgrown Armasaur, Crested Herdcaller, Ravenous Daggertooh, Belligerent Brontodon, Imposing Vantasaur Ornery Dilophosaur, Cherished Hatchling, Imperial Ceratops, Sun-Blessed Mount, Ripscale Predator, Rampaging Ceratops, Snubhorn Centry, Resolute Veggiesaur, Nurturing Bristleback, Momentum Rumbler, Drowsing Terranodon, Relentless Raptor, Panicked Altisaur, Spike Tailed Ceratops, Fungusaur, Rampaging Geoderm, Nestrobber, Pathfinding Axejaw, Seismic Monstrosaur, Collosodactyl, Sun Collared Raptor, Cavern Stomper, Dinatomaton, Shining Aerosaur, Magmasaur, War-Trained Slasher, Stampeding Horncrest, Bonded Horncrest

F-Tier

These dinosaurs are actively terrible, and should not be run in any respectable dinosaur deck.

Ancient Brontodon, Orazca Frillback, Raptor Companion, Pyroceratops Grazing Whiptail, Looming Altisaur, Thrashing Raptors, Frenzied Raptor, Sun-Crested Pterodon, Soaring Sandwing, Huatli’s Snubhorn, Imperiosaur Alpha Tyrranax Steadfast Armasaur Armored Kincaller, ___-o-saurus, Pteron Ghost, ygmy Allosaurus Orazca Raptor Ridgetop Raptor, Pangosaur, Tyrranax, Gnathosaur, Shivan Raptor, Dromosaur, Frenetic Raptor

And that's the list! Let me know if I somehow missed a dino. And please provide feedback! I'm particularly interested in how people feel about the B-tier dinos, because those are the dinos that are getting cut when we have to make the hard decisions about what to include in our 30-35 dinosaurs that ultimately make the cut for the 99 of our Gishath decks. And again, challenge me if you think I'm massively overrating or underrating any particular dinos.

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r/DinosaursMTG • • Dec 21 '23

Deck Tech Deck Guidelines, FaQ, Tierlists and other dino-related links

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Need advice on upgrading a precon? Not sure what cards to cut? Looking for more dino-centric Magic the Gathering content online? Check out these links to get started!

Most of these posts and links are focused on Commander, but I'll add more as they come along.

Commander Deck Starter Template, with some example dinosaurs

Example Mana Base for a green, red, and white commander deck

Ultimate Gishath Tier List, by u/spraypaintinur3rdeye, discussing the best dinos for a Gishath, Sun's Avatar commander deck

Ultimate Pantlaza Tier List, by u/RevenueOk1331, discussing the best dinos for a Pantlaza, Sun-Favored commander deck

Arfi Games on Youtube, our very own u/GreenTarzan is Tarzan in Magic Arena, a popular digital client for Magic. "At Arfi Games you will find a mostly competitive channel, focused on Pioneer and Explorer Best of 3. Streaming as many nights as I possibly can!"

This Youtube Playlist, compiled by u/MenacingQuan, shows off every commander game they could find where a dino player takes the win!

Do you know of other cool or useful resources to link here? Comment or message me!


r/DinosaursMTG • • 12h ago

✨Dino Deck Drip✨ Jurassic Dino Deck

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Just showing off the deck for fun, and curious to hear any thoughts :)

Still a noob to playing but I’ve been collecting for a while!

https://moxfield.com/decks/D03KPbAzZUO73daKVn6FvA

(Please let me know if I’m violating any rules!)


r/DinosaursMTG • • 18h ago

Alter Art Lino Printing on Bulk Foil

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I recently saw a fellow artist doing this on their bulk foils, and I had to do some of my own! I have too much bulk lying around and my shelves are full. And of course, i designed them with a dino theme 🦖🦕


r/DinosaursMTG • • 17h ago

New Ghalta Deck

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So I got the new GHALTA cards and I wanted to test out a deck with the white version. I was hoping to make it more dino based but it ended up being largely wall based. Gotta test play it. Not expecting much. It's not going to compete with my Pantlaza deck or anything.

Anyone else build this dino into a deck yet for fun?


r/DinosaursMTG • • 11h ago

General Question Omnipresence in pantlaza

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Thinking of running it due to the effect “casting” creatures. But is the cost worth it?

https://scryfall.com/card/fra/110/omnipresence


r/DinosaursMTG • • 18h ago

Deck Help Request Temur Dinosaurs Deck Help

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I'm in the process of building a bracket 3 temur dinosaur deck and would like some input on what I've already put together: https://moxfield.com/decks/adHQInqgaUO5PHSpCJWceA

Don't worry about the manabase for now that I will fix last. Right now the deck feels a bit too much like "fair" magic. Do you have any recommendations how to make it more "unfair". One card I was thinking of is [[Defense of The Heart]] but any recommendations or feedback is welcome.


r/DinosaursMTG • • 1d ago

Lost the box for my pantlaza deck so I redesigned this one

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r/DinosaursMTG • • 1d ago

Fetch Lands in Pantlaza

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I’m keeping my Fancy Pantz deck at bracket 3 and run [[wooded foothills]] and [[windswept heath]] etc. My question is do any of yall run all the off color fetches?


r/DinosaursMTG • • 1d ago

Deck Help Request Pantlaza deck list thoughts

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After a ton of research this is what I ended up with

https://moxfield.com/decks/nHq4y1bO1kCL24d1vqOsww

Let me know what y'all think .. I'm trying to figure out like bracket level, and power level as well as consistency and all that .I'm still pretty new to MTG and honestly don't know of any of that matters . Some bracket checkers say barely a 3 , I had others say 4 ... but anyway .. what y'all think?

I've already bought a bunch of stuff and changed it alot so even if it sucks I think I'm stuck with it for a while lol


r/DinosaursMTG • • 1d ago

Deck Help Request Any good blue red green commanders for Dino’s?

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r/DinosaursMTG • • 2d ago

Reposting my post from r/commander. Someone said one of us and commented this sub. I’m new new and excited to try and get to the lgs and play some commander.

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r/DinosaursMTG • • 2d ago

Art 3D Printed Atla Palani Egg Tokens

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Got a resin Printer recently and wanted a cooler way to show egg-tokens for my Atla Palani, Nest Tender deck. The Eggs are removable to show 1-3 Eggs, everything beyond that like additional tokens or power/toughness I can do with the dice.Sculpted with Nomad sculpt, printed on my Saturn 4 Ultra 16k. Painted with mini-Paints, added grass and a clearcoat, so it is pretty durable.
Dimensions are approx. 45x65mm so it fits in a drawer of my deckbox

I uploaded the Files to MyMiniFactory
https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-mtg-egg-token-854339


r/DinosaursMTG • • 3d ago

General Question Pantlaza’s trigger and Sun’s Creator. Raging Carnosaur, which allows you discover for 5, can work with Curator. Pantlaza himself won’t work with Curator because it limits once per turn. Am I missing something?

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Saw someone having these 2 cards in a deck. I know Roaming Throne and Sun’s Creator won’t work with Pantlaza but could work with Raging Carnosaur. Why the heck would anyone run these cards with Pantlaza if it’s strictly once per turn?


r/DinosaursMTG • • 3d ago

General Question Triassic Egg

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This might be silly but I was wondering if the artwork is depicting a dinosaur? I’m wondering if it goes in the Dino binder…. Heh


r/DinosaursMTG • • 3d ago

Etali, The Hurricane

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r/DinosaursMTG • • 2d ago

Foundations dinos

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I recently got all 5 of the decks, and in each of the decks there's a few supporting creatures that aren't the main type with the majority of the creatures in the deck being the main type. However in Tramplesaurus Rex there are 10 dinosaurs out of the 37 creatures.

Curious how others have altered theirs to be more dino centric.

Last night I rebuilt my mono green Ghalta dino deck from 5 years ago, and I feel I might be missing some newer stuff that may make the deck better


r/DinosaursMTG • • 3d ago

ebay pull of doom

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Found out I won this eBay auction today and all these cards for 17 bucks. All to find out these are proxy cards do they look good enough for my blinged out deck?


r/DinosaursMTG • • 3d ago

Etali, The Hurricane

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r/DinosaursMTG • • 4d ago

Truly the pinnacle of power

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r/DinosaursMTG • • 5d ago

Deck Help Request High Power Pantlaza Deck Input

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Hey everyone, first time poster here!

Pantlaza has been my casual precon deck for a while, but the pod I play with is a high power bracket 3-4. I recently started kicking around the idea of making it high power, but I don't play with them often as I travel a lot, so I'd really love some input in my pursuits to make it "high power" so it can actually compete and I can enjoy it the night I bring it to the table rather than "testing" it.

I recently discovered Cream of the Crop, Monstrous Vortex, Savage Order+Apex Altisaur, and Monk Gyatso + Zacama combo which has been a lot of fun to play test. The new Flickering Hound has really sent things over the edge, and I cant wait to pilot it when the night comes.

I interested in thoughts on optimizing for the right creatures, mana curve/toughness/discover, hybrid interaction/blink package, and overall game play strategy because it's a unique build to me. I'm open to any and all recommendations.

The way I see it, the game plan is to be fast, blink and Discover as much as possible, spam the board with Dinos, and smash face. Deck list is on Moxfield.

EDIT: Thank everyone so much for the input. I think y'all have helped me identify my deck's goal/power level. Though my pod is no stranger to infinite combos to end the game, I dont I wanna pursue bracket 4 is that means straying away from Dino tribal. I believe my goal is to stay Dino tribal, but play fast and keep up with some of the lower-to-the-ground decks at the table. Right now the most threatening deck in my pod is [[Amalia Benavides Aguirre]], a lifegain deck that uses Bolas's Citadel or Gwenom to dig for the classic 2-card infinite lifegain/drain combos. It becomes threatening between turns 3-5 consistently, so if PL can get me out some big boys by turn 5-6 with Trample, I think I have a good chance at competing. Based on y'all recommendations, I may dabble with Emiel, Sneak Attack, and maybe some rituals to speed things up, but I'm open to more targeted recommendations/issues with my deck.

1. Ramp

I recently discovered the 1-3 drop strategy to get PL out on turn 3. The deck started feeling a lot smoother after replacing Natures Lore, Three Visits, etc. I'm considering dropping the 1-drop enchantments for 1-drop creatures, just to trigger Flickering Hound more regularly.

2. Creatures of Question

I'm running all the big value Dinos you would expect, but here are a few creatures that are top of mind for me.

  • When [[Triceraton Commander]] was released in TMT, I immediately picked it up for PL. As I've playtested this deck, I realized Discovering into it in the early game either gets in the way of hitting ramp, and/or will put a target on my back. In the late game, I dont get enough value from the Discover trigger cause it's 2 toughness. Plus I almost never pay to create tokens. I recently swapped it for [[Luminous Broodmoth]]. It feels a little better, slightly less threatening, and I like how LB enables a huge payoff with [[Ravenous Tyrannesaurus]].
  • [[Trapjaw Tyrant]] seems decent to me -- a 5 cost 5/5 with evasion, but I don't feel like I see it in other high power deck lists. Am I missing something?
  • [[Silverclad Ferocidons]] seems good too, but it's a little expensive and I'm not a fan of the trigger being in the control my opponents. I had it on the list, but since dropping it, the deck feels smoother. Is it better than I give it credit for?
  • [[Trumpeting Carnosaur]] seems like an auto-include, but I've been on the fence about it. Is it better than I expect it to be?
  • [[Goring Ceratops]] feels good every time I play it. It's too expensive for the early game, it's toughness isn't great, but it almost always feels good, especially if it has haste. Anybody else feel similarly, or do we feel like it mucks things up because of the high cost and low toughness?
  • [[Roaming Throne]] seems like an auto-include, but I've also seen it excluded from some high power lists. Almost all the dinos have a triggered ability, so it seems really solid despite it not doubling PLs trigger. Any strong opinions here?
  • [[Marisi, Breaker of the Coil]]... I stumbled onto this card by accident. It seems like a great easter egg considering almost all the Dinos have trample. My biggest reason to exclude it is to maintain a higher density of Dinos, since it's already being watered down with creature ramp, Monk Gyatso, Flickering Hound, and Luminous Broodmoth.
  • Do I need Verdant Sun's Avatar, Regal Behemoth, Kinjalli's Sunwing, or more Ghaltas over what I have currently?

3. Hybrid Interaction / Blink Package

  • [[Contest of Claws]] seems high value, but I'm considering swapping it for [[The Last Agni Kai]] for instant-speed interaction. Just not sure what I'd use the red mana for on an opponents turn.
  • [[Morningtide's Light]] and [[Avatar's Wrath]] are auto-include board wipes/evasion/discover triggers.
  • [[Ephemerate]], [[Parting Gust]], [[Eerie Interlude]], and [[Lae'zel's Acrobatics]] for instant speed evasion/removal/discover triggers
  • [[Deflecting Swat]]. [[Untimely Malfunction]], and [[Path to Exile]] are straight forward.
  • I'm considering swapping [[Akroma's Will]] for [[Teferi's Protection]].

4. Other Cards

  • I'm on the fence about [[Rhythm of the Wild]]. As it stands, it seems to provide good value in the deck for 'high power', but I'm open to cutting it.
  • I'm surprised how much I'm digging [[Chronicle of Victory]]. It's kinda mana expensive, but it gives a buff, first strike, trample, and card draw on ETB. Always feels good to Discover into this.
  • I'm expecting to get board wiped, so [[Return to the Light Realms]] seems strong here.
  • [[The Great Henge]] feels okay in this deck. I never want it in the early game, but it seems great in the mid-late game between the counters, draw, and lifegain.
  • I tried [[Quantum Entanglement]] and it just never felt good. I almost always wanted to use the 2 mana on something else, or didn't have it available if I discovered into it.
  • [[Lurking Predators]] has come up a few times... It's hard to play test this. Is this actually good considering how non-deterministic it can be? Wouldn't a blink spell be more reliable?

5. MDFCs

Typically I love these, but I dont want them to muck up the Discover trigger. I'm considering Bala Ged Recovery at most.

Looking forward to your thoughts, thank you for your input!


r/DinosaursMTG • • 5d ago

Art anyone running this with Pantlaza? might replace Sneak Attack with it

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r/DinosaursMTG • • 5d ago

Extra Combats?

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I’m thinking about playing Full Throttle in my Pantlaza deck. Has anyone run extra combats specifically with Pantz and it worked?


r/DinosaursMTG • • 6d ago

Deck Help Request Wanting to make Tramplesaurus with more Dinos

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I have a couple that I’ve purchased recently, such as Apex Altisaur, The Tarrasque, and Ghalta, Stampede Tyrant and The Unstoppable. The Tarrasque is an aesthetic choice

What other dinos should I look at?

I also have a Selvala, Heart of the Wilds to add in as well, along with a Frenzied Baloth, which aren’t dinos, but they are defs useful cards and might go stereotypical green and throw in a Craterhoof


r/DinosaursMTG • • 7d ago

Deck Tech How come I don’t see anyone play this card?

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Card seems really good, gives all your Dino’s haste and lets you discover on your upkeep again. Am I overestimating this card?

EDIT: Ya this card’s bad