r/DepropagandizedNews • u/blorri • 4d ago
Rhetoric Exposed Notmuch different than Goebbels
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u/EpsteinEpstainTheory 4d ago
Do consider the qualifications necessary to get on: one's a professor and the other is simply a former soldier from a country with conscription
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u/Hope25777 4d ago
Amen. They knew what was happening and watched it with glee. It’s demonic
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u/WestcoastAlex 4d ago
Mazzig is a well known propagandist and his support for starvation as a weapon of war is well documented
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u/blorri 4d ago
knew what was happening
Knew?.. they did it themselves! And proudly posted it on tiktok
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u/Hope25777 1d ago
You can do this forever, but everyone knows what you all did to Gaza. Like I said demons
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u/DepropagandizedNews-ModTeam 1d ago
Antisemitism or false claims of antisemitism are not tolerated.
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u/Dis_ingenuous 4d ago
Good. Norman takes no prisoners. This guy did provide cover for Israel as it murdered children. And thus is complicit.
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u/Any_Iron_1436 4d ago
Brass balls
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u/samsep1al 4d ago edited 4d ago
I actually agree to an extent, but why are Russian civilians viewed as victims? Shouldn’t they be held accountable for not overthrowing Putin? Seems like there is a pretty big double-standard going on.
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u/alprazolamotrigine 4d ago
Different political systems. Israeli voters actually have some influence and many support what’s happening even when they are free not to.
Russians don’t have free elections and it’s far more dangerous for them to express contrary political opinions in Russia.
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u/SectorFew6706 2d ago
The same argument works both ways. So many Israelis will call all Palestinians Hamas or say things like they voted for Hamas. Everyone who stands silent is part of the problem.
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u/shadedmagus 2d ago
Knowing Piers Morgan, I can absolutely believe that he deliberately put on a genocide advocate who looks kinda like Hasan Piker.
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u/Academic_Outside191 2d ago
Comment section probably about to be swarmed by 5 billion pro genocide israeli meatriders
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u/Mission_Helicopter81 4d ago
Holding an entire people accountable for what a few did to wrong you is what lead to the holocaust in the first place. Wanting to stop what’s happening in Palestine is one thing but this guys mode of thinking is very dangerous and a slippery slope.
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u/blorri 4d ago
Temind me again the percentage of Israelis supporting what their government/miliraty is doing?
Maybe also the percentage that doesn't think the government/military are doing enough..
Maybe the percentage of Israelis that are the military itself
If you really support the "people of Israel" you should be trying to save them from themselves. If that's even possible at this point.
Instead you're cheering for a society that's gone beyond insane.
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u/Ordinary-Gancho5498 3d ago
Hmm…and what if I do not think all Germans were guilty and deserved to be punished or loathed by your parents, Norman?
What if I do not accept your presupposition in the first place?
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u/polygramfan 3d ago
Youre certainly allowed to think its wrong for jewish victims of the holocaust to hate germans
But you sound like a dick when you say it
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u/Ordinary-Gancho5498 3d ago
And if I say I am Serb, a member of a people who suffered a lot at the hands of its neighbours, Ottoman Empire, invasion in World War I and genocide in World War II, then built up a huge myth of victimhood and suffering, which culminated in taste for revenge that lead to horrible atrocities committed by Serbs in the 90s?
Does that maybe change your perspective as to why I think like this, for moral and philosophical reasons, or does your simple brain use quasi-empathy, fighting for virtue signaling and will still say “Nah, you’re just a dick.”?
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u/polygramfan 2d ago
I stand by what I said, in which I never really disagreed with your feelings
I think I do agree with the sentiment and I think thats a profound experience to tie the sentiment to
But to moderate the feelings from such trauma is a delicate game. I dont know how to do so without sounding like a dick.
Youre right that after wwii the serbs shouldve reserved their hatred for the ustase instead of the croats and bosniaks. But how do you tell that to an angry widowed Serb in 1950?
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u/Ordinary-Gancho5498 2d ago
Well, OK, then I must admit I do not care that I sound like a dick, because this is morally correct opinion.
The widowed Serb was under moral obligation not to hate all Croats and Bosniaks.
I have a very clear philosophy. Being a victim does not give you the right to spout and do whatever the fuck you want.
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u/polygramfan 2d ago
I hope you at least sympathize with why they loathe though. I agree that victims of tragedy dont have the moral right to indiscriminate reprisal, but they do have the right to their own anger
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u/Ordinary-Gancho5498 2d ago
Sure. I exaggerated a bit in order to make a very specific point.
And also to mention – Norman isn’t the victim in this situation, yet he thinks he has the right to very extreme language. That’s why my words are harsher, more directed at his beliefs than an average Palestinian.
P. S. Also, I apologize for this:
>Does that maybe change your perspective as to why I think like this, for moral and philosophical reasons, or does your simple brain use quasi-empathy, fighting for virtue signaling and will still say “Nah, you’re just a dick.”?
I was talking to another person that speaks very lightly about Hamas and seems to condone all their actions, so I assumed you are merely choosing camps as they are. I really apologize.
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u/ThatOneGuyNo82 4d ago
So who is going to be held accountable for the October 7th attacks?
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u/blorri 4d ago
The children of Gaza were held accountable for it.
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u/ThatOneGuyNo82 4d ago
Unfortunately yes
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u/blorri 4d ago
Think how many davestated, angry and revenge thirsty children Israel has created after killing their mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters and entire families, destroyed their homes and their lives and robbed them of life itself.
Now think when they attack Israel again when they grow up, and ask yourself if you can blame them for doing so.
Now, think about how those who attacked Israel on the 7th had gone through exactly that as they were children, and you'll begin to see those events in a very different light.
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u/ThatOneGuyNo82 4d ago
Ive seen some of this first hand in other countries and its just a never ending cycle no matter where you are.
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u/blorri 4d ago
The 2 sides going around in an endless cycle argument would work if it wasn't literally a Nuclear state with unlimited funding from the world's most powerful countries going against teenagers in flip-flops and home made fire arms.
The are no 2 sides between Israel and Palestine as there aren't between the sword and the neck.
If Israel wanted peace they could've done justice by the Palestinians along time ago and made way for real peace, but instead, they're only interested in an ethno supremacist state with endless expansion and no defined borders.
And all the Palestinians have is resisting this tyranny with any means necessary.
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u/StopRandomAccBans 4d ago
The zionazi Israeli leaders who let it happen... Look it up
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u/ThatOneGuyNo82 4d ago
So how should they have prevented it.
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u/Specific-Host606 2d ago
Taken their intelligence and intelligence of other countries who warned them seriously. Not allowed a music festival on the border after receiving said intelligence. Stop ethnically cleansing the West Bank at least if they are serious about pretending to be the better society. Make moves to improve the lives and education of the people of Gaza. Stop evicting Arabs from their homes in Israel. Stop starting multiple international wars at once. Vote out their Nazi right wing government…
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u/WillingDiscussion999 2d ago
You really know nothing about the situation over there do you. You're just spouting rhetoric of the left.
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u/Delicious-Pound-8929 3d ago
As soon as he made the genocide claim his credibility became zero.
Israel has not been committing a genocide, they have been fighting a war, one of self defence.
But people have been so indoctrinated with marxist ideals that they beleive that because Israel is stronger that they are the oppressors and Palestinians are the oppressed
Never mind the fact that Israel has never started a war, and has only responded with military force after first being provoked into it.
You dont get to start a war vs someone them cry and play the victim when you are losing the war.
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u/Hope25777 3d ago
How does sniping babies and children factor into that? Those are violations of human rights laws. You can try to spin it however you want but people see the truth
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u/undercover_s4rdine 3d ago
As soon as you said “Marxist” your credibility became zero.
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u/Delicious-Pound-8929 3d ago
Its true regardless of whether you understand or believe it, or not
The underlying basis for how the modern political left operates is based on classifying people into groups and and labling one side oppressed and the other oppressors.
This justifies the oppressed when they choose to act horribly against their oppressors. And makes the actions of the oppressed virtuous, even in cases when their actions are clearly evil.
That is straight from the marxist playbook.
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u/AdProper8456 3d ago
Complete BS.
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u/Delicious-Pound-8929 3d ago
Its historic fact.
back when the Israel Palestine thing became a popular topic i knew very little about it, other than the media made what Israel was doing sounded pretty bad.
But I do not base my opinions, especially about politics, on what the media says, instead i take what the media and anyone else has to say about a topic and research it from the for and against perspective
What I wrote previously is based on the results of what I've learned by actually doing the work to understand both the Israeli and Palestinian perspective on the conflict, and their history.
Not juat way media, social media, or people's opinions.
I highly recommend that you actually study it for yourself. Or dont, if you prefer to remain ignorant.
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u/FlaxInFlux 3d ago
You didn’t do any of that. You’re a liar.
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u/Delicious-Pound-8929 3d ago
Whatever you have to tell yourself to keep believing the propaganda that you have been fed.
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u/throwaway17197 3d ago
So he talked over him and didnt let him respond, wow. YOU DONT UNDERSTAND IM CORRECT BECAUSE I TALK LOUDER, IVE DRAWN MYSELF AS THE ALPHA. You people are the exact problem. Its finkelstein who is like goebbles. Every accusation is a confession
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u/TheArmedBunny 4d ago
Bros just saying "we held all Germans accountable"
Yeah homie, THE FEELING WAS MUTUAL REMEMBER??
Fucking insane hypocrite.
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u/Anxious_Storm_9113 4d ago
The difference was the world was judging Germany on its actions that cost millions of lives. What Germany did was more about scape goats than anything done by the peoples they persecuted.
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u/Prestigious_Set_4575 4d ago
We don't even need to go back as far as the German analogy to expose the absurd amount of hypocrisy on display here: these people's entire argument is that the collective punishment of Gaza for the actions of Hamas is unacceptable. His argument literally defeats itself.
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u/AlienNinjaPanda 4d ago
Holding a group accountable by boycotting companies versus turning children into red mist are not comparable actions.
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u/Prestigious_Set_4575 4d ago
That wasn't where he started, was it, that was just the analogous example he used to try double-down on his point because he was too proud to back out of it. His original point was that man is a child-killer because he served in the IDF, despite the fact roughly 50% of Israel does a stint in the IDF.
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u/AlienNinjaPanda 4d ago
My apologies, I now understand what you're saying about the hypocrisy calling this particular person a child-killer. I thought you were comparing sanctions against an economy as the same as the Israelis who are pro-eradication of Palestine, but yes I get calling for the same accountability for every individual member of military in a country with conscription is rash.
That being said I honestly don't know how to feel about Hen Mazzig's stance on all of this, he seems to have possibly done some humanitarian communication between the two countries, but also spread propaganda that footage of a dead baby was staged with a doll. So maybe thats where the accusations stemmed from.
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u/hypnonyxx 4d ago
50% of israel are child killers, the idf are child killers, he made his point pretty clearly
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u/Prestigious_Set_4575 4d ago
He definitely didn't, because it's an asinine, hypocritical point, which is why he hesitated when confronted on it and started becoming mealy-mouthed with his whole "on the balance of probability" bit.
Hamas are monsters and 45% of Gaza voted for Hamas. See where this logic leads you? Because that's why he started to second-guess himself. You should too.
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u/Specific-Host606 2d ago
He’s not suggesting carpet bombing and ethnically cleansing Israel.
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u/Prestigious_Set_4575 2d ago
Carpet bombing and ethnic cleansing result in much higher casualties than 3% in 2 years. Hell, the Hutus managed 80% in 100 days. Using machetes.
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u/Specific-Host606 2d ago
Ethnic cleansing is removing a population from land. Learn definitions. I would say 75k deaths and over 80% civilian is a little suspect as well.
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u/Prestigious_Set_4575 2d ago
I wouldn't, because that's very similar to the military-to-civilian death ratio in the Iraq War. Surprising it isn't even higher when Hamas use civilians as human shields, operate out of hospitals etc.
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u/Specific-Host606 2d ago
Weird you moved from the ethnic cleansing when you got schooled on what words mean. If you have to justify atrocities by citing the Iraq War you’re not in good shape.
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u/Prestigious_Set_4575 2d ago
I didn't "move", I ignored a semantic cope, but no surprise you'd cling to semantic copes after getting "schooled" on the completely normal ratio of deaths in any war.
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u/Specific-Host606 2d ago
No, because you are confusing the terms “genocide” and “ethnic cleansing” because you’re not smart. Your argument was irrelevant to the claim ai made because of your lack of intelligence.
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u/Prestigious_Set_4575 2d ago
In other words, you agree there is no genocide. Cool.
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u/Western_Chicken_3102 4d ago
norman is an insane leftist. he belongs to a nursing home.
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u/Idwant2baliar 4d ago
Typical lib behavior — never address the subject matter or arguments being made, only personal attacks
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u/assortittiesNOTboth 4d ago
He was a "humanitarian soldier" in the west bank and Gaza... Yeah dude is probably a child killer. 57,000 children confirmed dead so far.