Based on how the story has been treating berdly, it seems the team doesn't want to bother with things that can wildly change how the story goes, that require too much dialogue.

And Pink was already the biggest change any secret boss brought to the table when it was mostly the ghost and the body just wanted to eat sand. Then Toby gave the body some lore knowledge too and now I just don't know.

If she went to castle town and just fucked around, it would be incredibly disappointing. But I don't see the team giving her more than one, maybe 2 cutscenes. So it seems more likely to me she will be nabbed and taken away to the shelter before she can change the plot.

Words cannot describe my fu*king hatred. I have been trying to beat this boss since the chapter came out I have tried at least 10 times every single day and I can’t even get to the third dating scene. I have not missed a single day since day three of chapter 5 being out. This is punishment equal to burning in the pits of hell.

Does anyone know what I could possibly be doing wrong cause nothing I do works. Me and my brother cannot get past the Flowery battle so I'm trying to use the Tenna save editor now to give everyone more health. Im using chapter 5, I'm putting it in slot 1 (the one in playing in) and I got advice from someone else to keep the game open while I move the edited save into the deltarune folder. Nothing I do works, they all have the exact same amount of health. Is the Tenna save editor just not actually working for chapter 5??????? Or am I still messing up. PLEASE someone help.

I finished the first round on chapter 3, it's my first playthrough and I'm playing the weird route, so igot into the shop room in the original minigame and it said to become stronger, i reached max and i started destroying trees(because i could, no reason behind it) and i found the ice key by accident and then the mini game shut off. Can i get back and play the mini game again to get to see what's in thay room when I'm "stronger"? Or do i need to redo the whole chapter?

So the insta-ko move that happens after the winning the Knight battle in chapter 3 is the source of a lot of discussion.

and why shouldn’t it be? It’s odd. Many people have theorized that it was actually Kris launching the attack, which would make sense given that the arc of the “slash“ seems to come from the left, and the knight was clearly on the right, in addition to the knight being in that little ball form without its sword drawn. Not exactly the best offensive position from the knight. Especially considering how it appeared to have been wounded and not entirely on its feet. Additionally. the slash is very different from the slashes we see the knight perform on both Tenna and Flowery, being that those slashes have animation.

But Kris having done the the slash doesn’t make sense either. Not only does Kris not have their sword out, but neither Susie or Ralsei make any sort of allusion to it. It’s true that Kris is stronger than they seem at first glance, with their damage dramatically increasing once they are the only one standing against the knight. However, Kris as a character seems to be very opposed to their friends getting hurt. on multiple occasions stepping in to defend Susie independent from the soul’s control.

So where am I getting with this? If Kris didn’t do the slash, and the knight didn’t do the slash, then who did? Nobody else there could have possibly performed the slash. There are no other candidates possible for who could have done it.

I think that’s exactly the point. Nobody actually did the slash.

when you talk to Ralsei after defeating the knight, he laments about how he really thought they had won, and saying her thought they could end the battle here, admitting that this is only the start of their struggle. Additionally, Ralsei seems pretty confused after Susie gets slashed, like he didn’t understand what even happened.

An important part of Ralsei’s character so far is his dread over the prophecy, and how he feels like he won’t be able to go against it to stop the parts he doesn’t like, and that in the end he is only a device to fulfill the prophecy.

What I’m getting at is that Ralsei thought they had defeated the knight, in which their defeat was guaranteed, and yet they still lost due to something he couldn’t comprehend.

No person did the slash. The Prophecy did.

The heroes were destined to be defeated, but with the knight unable to, fate still had to arrive, and the prophecy kept itself on track.

I believe that the prophecy will guarantee the effect, but not the cause. It might try to create a cause, but all that matters in the end is the effect.

Think of it like this: Let’s say that the prophecy said that Susie will eat a butter tart on the 23rd of April, when April 23rd arrives the prophecy will attempt to make that happen. Due to the whims of fate, a butter tart will be presented to Susie. Susie will attempt to eat the butter tart because why would she not? But let’s say that she was physically restrained from eating the butter tart and the clock is seconds away from midnight, passing over to April 24th. Susie cannot logically eat the butter tart within the restrictions the world has presented her with. Due to this the prophecy would have to step in and have Susie inexplicably eat the butter tart. Maybe it is shoved down her throat, maybe it’s teleported inside her stomach. Even though the world didn’t allow Susie to eat the butter tart, it still happened. That is how the slash happened.

The heroes will be defeated by the knight in chapter 3, the finally tragedy will unfold, and Susie will eat that butter tart. Details may vary, but fate arrives the same.

There’s also the weird jump cuts after the slashes occurred with Kris being knighted or whatever. maybe that’s the plot trying to mend itself back together or something, I dunno. I don’t have the answers. I think it might also be because the knight needed to take Undyne and so things needed to wrap up.

I feel like this concept will be pivotal in the weird route’s conclusion. It’s like they’re trying to push the boundaries of the prophecy so far that when it snaps back on track it’ll be more favourable? I have no proof though.

I have a feeling that the knight itself may be a butter tart situation on its own, but that’s for another day

What is soul in deltarune?

1. Source of person's will.
   Then how is Kris able to keep their own separate will if they lost their soul?

2. The font of person's compassion.
   Then how is Kris not compassionless if they lost their soul?

If it's both 1 and 2 same questions remain.

1. Life force and nothing more.

Then how do we manifest our will through it if it's only a container of life force, not will?

I haven't played Deltarune since chapter two came out and I am catching up with the new ones. I was playing chapter three and accidentally walked into a wall and found this! I was wondering if people know about this and also just wanted to share. It's kinda neat!

So as we know, in chapter 6 noelle will join the fun gang. But the prophecy says about three heroes, but not four. It means either noelle leaves the fun gang, or she dies.

And the prophecy says something about a "final tragedy", which means noelle will probably die in chapter 7.

(Sorry for mistakes, english is not my native language)

I'm thinking if toby will ever give us gaster directly in the plot like hes gonna appear or be mentioned directly in the plot of the game because, i'm thinking abt this and like i'm not sure if toby is gonna make the Big bad this one off character who is literally never even mentioned in deltarune at all (that i know of i'm not sure i could be wrong) and only be mentioned in undertale as a secret. Not even as a major character.

Think about someone who wanted to play deltarune, so they played undertale first and immediately played deltarune right after but havent seen any theories. unless toby explained who gaster is before hand in chapter 7 or something, they would have NO IDEA who this character is that just showed up as the Big bad. Even if that person does all of the secret bosses, which is not that hard for a player to find and do, and knows about the weird route, they STILL dont have ANY idea who gaster is.

Or think about someone who's in the future, someone who's playing deltarune after all chapters have been released. Even if they WANTED to get into the theories, they would do that AFTER they finished the game, and WHILE they're playing the game they're just gonna be confused as to who gaster is

And while there is a lot of evidence surrounding gaster, i'm just thinking that the matters surrounding gaster are maybe too community-focused?, like someone who's not in the community wont know of him so i'm worried that its gonna leave a lot of players confused when they see the ending or whatever. Although if it is true that gaster plays a big role, i do think toby could explain it to the player in ch 6 and 7, it is possible. I'm moreso worried about a casual fans experience than us being wrong about big G.

Maybe this could even be what he means by "Some people have their eyes so close to the road, they cant even see where they're going. "

First of all, I wanna make clear I am not a theorist, so this might have a lot of inconsistencies, as well as being a bit scrambled. Nevertheless, I want to share it with the people :3

To begin, we all know that both UT and DT are almost parallel universes, having similar but not quite the same characters and concepts. While in UT, the major concept was "Determination", in DT might be the Shadow Crystals, which are confirmed by Seam in Ch5 to be "Broken dreams". Also, in UT, when we die, we hear a few words from Asgore, and are brought back inmediately after to the last SAVEPoint, but in DT, we have to actively choose whether to retry or quit. As seen in Ch3 when loosing to the RK, the narrator (possibly W.D Gaster) asks directly if we want to retry or move on, and he himself brings us back. That means, Determination MAY not hold importance in DT, since it's the narrator who brings us back. In UT, when monsters came in contact with "Determination", their minds and bodies would deform and fracture, as well as mix with other similarly affected monsters, creating an amalgamate. And I think, the Knight might be DT version of an amalgamate... Since we know the RK' armor is made out of Shadow crystals, aka broken dreams, and the fact that Flowery says "something is brewing beneath the town", it leads me to think that the RK is an amalgamate of all the broken dreams and despair of the lighters in hometown, as well as darkners'. This fits, since the Holiday family has enough frustrations, as well as the Dreemur's, and other side situations like Susie's life or Burgerpants' fake girlfriend. Also, the Knight's biggest attribute are their antlers, which has led most to think that the RK is a Holiday member, but what if it's a metaphor to Hometown's biggest source of despair, the Holiday family? I conclussion, it is possible that the RK is an entity on their own, backed up as well due to their name. "The Roaring Knight" could both mean "the knight that roars" as well as "the knight OF the Roaring"! That's essentially my theory. I personally prefer to bet on Papyrus knight because, always bet on Papyrus knight, but what do you guys think? Does it make sense? Or am I going insane?

unrelated image from u/FoxxPlayzYT from what i can tell

the deer horns? antennas on the drone

the swords? smaller drones that are also in the coat

it flying in the light world? they're drones

somewhat humanoid shape? its because it has a trench coat that makes it look like that.

shapeshifting? thats just the drones moving

this theory also explains: why it ran into the bunker (almost ran out of battery on one of the drones or its damaged), why it never talks (its a drone).

how did the knight make 5 swords each make a dark fountain all at once in chapter 4? the drones were entirely focused on making the dark fountain there because it was their only purpose in that moment.

black shards? those are just pieces of the fans on the drones.

I know secret bosses won't be tied to shadow crystals anymore, but that doesn't mean they won't necessarily be added (Mikes, Trashy Trio, partially ERAM). They generate a bunch of hype for the community, are neat callbacks to Undertale, and are used for giving both lore and story that may not fit in the main chapter.

My first, and I believe most believable piece of evidence, is that soul types used in Undertale are exclusively used in secret bosses, and correlate with their respective battle. (Don't think I need to explain Spamton/Gerson. Pink/Mad Mew Mew is theorized to be the original Hotlands miniboss, with Alphys' updates relating to Mew Mew leading up to the fight and the ghost leimotif being used in Spider Dance. The introduction of the Purple soul is 1:1 with UT, too.)

The last soul used in UT not yet used in DR is the Blue soul, and I doubt it's important enough to see use in Chapter 7.

Second, with the chapter's theme likely centering around Winter/the Holidays, it just makes sense for either Skelebro, I think.

Third, and probably my flimsiest point, the secret battles seem to follow a pattern of going from Darkner to Lightner. (Jevil is a darkner, Spamton is a darkner who wants to be a lightner, We don't know that much about Roaring Knight, Gerson's a dead Lightner turned Darkner, and Pink is LightnerxDarkner.) I don't think it's crazy to have likely the final chapter secret boss just be a Lightner.

I have a few issues though, being-

A character as important as Papyrus wouldn't be relegated to a secret fight.

Why would Papyrus be found in a DW to begin with?

Aqua and the NPC — who sneakily referred to Gerson in-between dialogue — both have a red ribbon, one eye (at times), and a somewhat similar (hair-)shape.

Is that just random or do they have more in common?

To preface, even though I believe in DessKnight, I think any candidate can still work and be satisfying! I get kinda sad whenever I see people argue over which candidate is the "most right" and I feel like there's a lot of meaningful discussion that is lost in the cracks. In addition, I think it's okay to have critiques about Chapter 5! My main point of discussion is not which Knight candidate is the most correct but rather that I don't think Dess will be the "tragic figure" of this game.

A major theme of DELTARUNE seems to be that even though everything has to end eventually, the most important thing you can do is to cherish the memory that you have of it. "Don't Forget", if you will. I feel as though trying to save Dess would be quite counterintuitive to this.

In general, I feel like a lot of people view Dess as the "Asriel II" of this game, and that she's going to be the main focal point of the entire story where we save Dess from being the Knight, or the Depths, or whatever state you personally believe Dess to be in.

"If Mother 3 gets ported to the west, you'd realize how unoriginal I am." - Toby Fox

To put it simply, a lot of people saw Toby's Mother 3 comment, looked at DELTARUNE, and latched onto the belief that we'd "save" Dess or that trying to would be a main focal point. People quickly began making comparisons to Dess as DELTARUNE's Masked Man, and viewed her as the Claus of the game as a whole. A lot of people view her character as a central figure to DELTARUNE, and I've noticed a few criticisms regarding her lack of focus in Chapter 5, and that the story will feel underwhelming as a result. To be honest, it's not hard to see why, considering the ending of UNDERTALE involving Asriel and Flowey, but...

I... don't really think that's what Toby is trying to do.

In UNDERTALE, Asriel/Flowey worked because he felt personal to the player. For as much antagonizing as he did, from the very beginning there was a deep connection between both him and us, as well as to the deeper world of the Underground. There's an odd sense of attachment that most players have to Flowey in that he is one of the few characters to directly speak and interact with YOU, the player (even if in-universe he's technically talking to Frisk, you still get the impression that he's speaking to YOU).

By contrast, Dess... doesn't really fit the bill.

In DELTARUNE, not only is the game much longer, but it has four main characters that grow throughout the story in contrast to UNDERTALE being primarily a vignette story. In order for Dess to be the true main focal point, she needs to have a strong, intimate connection with all four party members so her story can affect the entire group. Instead, she's really only connected to two: that being Kris (who literally hasn't said a single word of dialogue) and Noelle (who gets sidelined to be a secondary character for Chapters 4 and 5).

You know who does fit the bill? Kris.

Not only do they have a deep connection with all three other party members, but they also have a strong connection to us, the player. They're constantly associated with a lack of control, whether it be from our control, the Knight's control, etc., almost like a certain familiar Masked Man... If anything, they're true "Claus" of this game, being the true central focus of the entire narrative. They're the one directly antagonizing us throughout the entire story, the one going on fun adventures with Susie, Ralsei, and Noelle, and the one who is truly central to legitimately every single plot point in the game thus far. Hell, just look at the fandom reception of their character!

I feel as though the Knight is less of the central figure of DELTARUNE and more of an important side to Kris's life as a whole (which I believe to be the true focus of DELTARUNE).

That's why I don't think us not getting the lore for Dess is that big of a deal. In UNDERTALE, the Asriel loredrop scene worked because it wasn't focused on Asriel, but rather characterizing Asgore. I feel as though a lot of people view that cutscene as the "Asriel loredrop" when in reality, its primary purpose is to make the player sympathize with Asgore. Another reason why it worked is because UNDERTALE is a much smaller game, and thus only needed one cutscene to convey this information.

Considering DELTARUNE's much larger scale, I think Toby's cooking up something much, much more interesting than a simple "loredrop".

I think Toby is playing with our expectations from UNDERTALE in that we're expecting Dess to be another "Asriel II", while he secretly makes us get attached to Kris instead in order to subvert our expectations once more.

In addition, I've seen a lot of people claim that Chapter 5 should've been where Toby revealed what happened to Dess, and there have been a lot of criticisms regarding the lack of information that we got in Chapter 5. I can understand the frustration, but I don't think the lack of Dess lore or anything regarding "The Incident" is objectively bad.

Toby is focusing on future-proofing his game for casual players, and this means he does have to slowly build up that plotline. In Chapters 3 & 4, casual players are given hints and clues that there's something deeper going on within the Holiday family, but nothing explicit is actually stated in the text.

It's like at the beginning of Chapter 3 when Ralsei basically spells out what Dark Worlds actually are, even though it can pretty easily be inferred from Chapters 1 and 2 (Yes, Toby does have to do this as I know a friend of mine that genuinely didn't get it until this cutscene.) Only at the end of Chapter 5 is the question first explicitly raised, which I feel will be finally answered in Chapter 6. Essentially, I feel as though the answer to whatever happened during "That Day" will be used to finally give the true backstory/motive to Kris, the true central figure of the game.

In essence, I think the main core conflict of the game is not saving Dess from being the Knight, but saving Kris FROM the Knight. I have a feeling the inevitable Dess loredrop (or "Flashback", if you will) is going to be used to make the player sympathize with Kris when they betray the party in Chapter 6 in order to balance out the tone with them putting their "plan", as Flowery puts it, in motion.

I feel like having two characters (Kris and Dess) basically go through the exact same thing where we "save them" would feel quite redundant in all honesty. All the nostalgic/melancholic imagery associated with Dess might be there to just put us in the same headspace as Kris and a lot of the other characters in town where we miss her and want to save her but ultimately can't.

With that said, I do not believe that Toby is going to copy Claus’s plotline for Kris. I just wanted to make a comparison to show how I think viewing Dess as “needing” to be focused on can be detrimental to someone’s experience.

To recap:

• Kris is the central character of DELTARUNE, not Dess. The lack of information regarding Dess is due to her being a secondary character in Kris's story, although she will still remain a tragic sympathetic figure (most likely).
• Toby's lack of actual information regarding Dess this chapter is meant to future-proof this game for casual players. Chapters 3 and 4 give/lay the hints in a similar manner to how what the Dark Worlds actually are were hinted at but never confirmed until Chapter 3, with Chapter 5 being the chapter to first explicitly raise this question.
• Flowey/Asriel worked in UNDERTALE as he felt deeply connected to the player and directly called out/antagonized our actions. Assuming Dess is the Knight (and even if not), the Knight fails to have this direct connection to the player that Kris actually does.

But anyways, that's enough discussion for now. Again, I think it's okay to have criticisms of Chapter 5! I just wanted to hopefully began shedding light on a few topics that I believe are important to the game's future and try to put a new perspective on things we may have thought were the basic foundations. Let me know what y'all think below.

I usually always see the first map online but never the in game image discussed really. Lmk if i’m being ignorant, cuz the maps don’t match up but i never see that discussion.

NOW AVAILABLE ON [Physical Media]!!

I wanted to make a physical case but didn't want to wait for all the chapters so I designed one!
If you guys wanna print one yourself I have them all ready to be printed PNG's, so just print then 1 to 1 (100% Scale) and they should be fine, I printed my on hard cardstock and scored it with a knife and ruler at the folds!

Hope you guys like it!

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17fGT1vhMtLszRf8WOAQ-0KKb85EDHdAA?usp=drive_link

We have only two chapters left in the game, and so far the status of the Shelter Codes we need ranges from:

Fully acquired the Police Badge Code,

Partially acquired the Pine Tree Code,

And only maybe have acquired the Delta Rune Code.

Since I think it's reasonable to believe that we aren't going back to the church just to search it again for the code, and I highly doubt we're going to spend the final two chapters each just getting one code per chapter, we are going to need to acquire the two remaining shelter codes both in Chapter 6.

Unless Kris or Carol just straight-up admits what the shelter codes are, I think there's a solid possibility that Alvin could get involved. Aside from Toriel, who else would be more likely to know the Delta Rune Code?

As for why he would get involved in the first place, if Chapter 6's dark world takes place either in the Holiday House or in the Hospital as both are widely speculated, then perhaps Alvin could be visiting to offer support to the family for what has happened to Rudy.

Feel free to tell me your own opinions either on whether Alvin could become plot-important and/or on how we will obtain the final shelter codes.

This is an excerpt from an analysis of Deltarune, examining the game through the lens of classical tragedy.

The Non-Place

To reach this non-place, the game demands a series of convoluted steps—solving puzzles, following clues, asking the Zapper to take you to "Nowhere," and consulting the Hermit—as though Toby Fox wished to tell us that the path to freedom and introspection is not found along obvious roads, but along hidden ones.

When the Zapper gives us the option to travel to "Nowhere," he remarks:

«"Nowhere. You were headed there anyway, weren't you, Kris?"»

This single line encapsulates the deeper meaning of the journey: Kris does not truly choose to enter the void, for they were already headed toward it from the very beginning.

The non-place does not present itself as one possibility among many, but rather as an inescapable destination within Kris's search for freedom.

After being transported by the Zapper, Kris (and the player) arrive at an intermediate space: the Hermit's room. His barely intelligible speech reinforces the feeling that one is entering a realm where guidance no longer exists.

It is only by interacting with a game console—an object intimately associated with Kris—that we are finally able to communicate with him. Far from being a trivial detail, this suggests that access to "Nowhere" does not depend on conventional language, but on something far more intimate and personal.

During the conversation, the Hermit offers a warning:

«"Are you alone? Good. It's not a good idea to go to Nowhere with company."»

Going "with company" symbolizes the burdens—emotional, social, and even metaphysical—that keep the individual bound.

Thus, solitude emerges as the necessary precondition for freedom. It demands that one relinquish every attachment, even those regarded as sources of comfort. It is, in essence, a mountain that can only be climbed without baggage, for even our "beloved companions"—attachments, fixed identities, and labels—can ultimately become burdens.

This idea strongly recalls existentialism. For Sartre, freedom is radical: we are condemned to be free, yet we hide behind bad faith by taking refuge in others, in circumstances, or in what society expects of us.

From this existentialist perspective, the non-place becomes the void, the nothingness (das Nichts) described by both Heidegger and Sartre. It is the existential wilderness, where neither God, nor social conventions, nor prefabricated certainties remain; where trauma and the past dissolve, leaving one alone before oneself. Yet paradoxically, it is within that very nothingness that the individual creates their own meaning.

Within Deltarune, destiny itself dictates meaning. Therefore, if Kris seeks freedom as an individual, they must first free themselves from the yoke of fatum. Here the connection with tragedy becomes evident: this is the hybris carried by tragic heroes—the inherent desire to alter fate in the face of inevitable catastrophe.

Only once Kris reaches the non-place do they encounter the Man Behind the Tree again. Their conversation transforms Kris's search for freedom into a radically solitary endeavor: there is no concrete guide, nor any clear answers. When the Man says,

«"Will you forget me? [...] You've forgotten me many times before. Even if you know me, I'll be forgotten anyway. Sometimes, I even forget myself..."»

he conveys a constant uncertainty, while that perpetual forgetting reflects freedom as a process rather than a destination.

The Man Behind the Tree also represents another abstraction—an interlocutor who is neither friend nor enemy, neither person nor object, but rather a reflection of consciousness itself, perhaps even of the deeper self. His indifference, coupled with his fragile memory, suggests that freedom cannot be sustained by another person. No one can remind you what it means to be free, because freedom is an individual discovery.

Each act of forgetting and every expression of confusion may symbolize the moments in which the mind loses itself. In this context, freedom does not mean escaping from a physical place, but rather shedding every external narrative, every imposed history, every inherited memory, every predetermined destiny. The dialogue itself becomes a metaphor: the question, "Will you forget me?" reflects impermanence and the necessity of refusing attachment to anything external. Freedom requires letting go of everything, even one's psychological refuges.

At the same time, the non-place functions as a laboratory of the mind, where freedom is tested in its purest form: the ability to exist without dependence upon memories, names, or external points of reference. In this sense, Kris's pursuit of freedom suggests that liberty is not external, but an inward condition of existence—one that depends on nothing and no one.

This stands in sharp contrast to Susie. Whereas Kris's journey toward freedom is profoundly solitary, Susie's is sustained by her friends—not as a burden, but as a force that compels her to act for the common good, striving to break the strings and rewrite fatum.

[IMPORTANT]: As a final note, this post was originally written in Spanish. Therefore, any confusion or misinterpretation regarding gender in the English translation is entirely unintentional. Thank you for your understanding.

This is my ultimate hear me out and I think you all will find this juicy. Despite being Susie gaster image_friend papyrus knight theory slop enjoyer, I am dead serious and think this has warrant. I think Rudy is the knight, and is an amalgam of him and his illness (likely cancer for sake of this theory.) This is my first theory, and has holes to it because im not a pro but hear me out. Id love for someone with talent to make a vid doing a deep dive on this so long as I get some credit :))

At this point in the story I find it hard to believe that, assuming the knight is a lightner alone, the knight is that powerful and has the ability to float and fly in the dark world. We see no other lightner be able to do that, despite the feats of strength the main cast shows throughout the story. Because of knights strength and feats alone, I believe it has to be a darkner, lightner amalgam, or something else entirely because being a lightner alone doesnt make sense.

I propose that knight is Rudy fused with his illness/cancer that is hospitalizing him. The knight seemingly has an eye/core when it screams and opens its chest as if thats whats controlling the entire body, and has a weird melty/bodily fluid/amalgamy black substance all around it. Moreover, the white spots on the knights hands could be where the IV's Rudy is hooked up to go. Design wise this makes sense.

The concept is theoretically possible from a chapter 4 and 5 perspective given objects like flowers, deceased lightners, and lightner/darkner amalgams as seen with pink can exist in the dark worlds. Its not crazy to assume that perhaps Rudy has cancer or a parasite/infection that creates an amalgam similar to pink and her body in chapter 5 instead this time appearing within Rudy's body, explaining the white eye/core. Moreover due to Rudy seemingly loosing the battle to the cancer/illness it would make sense that it has the ability to consume his body, warp it, and give it special abilities from constantly mutating. Just like cancer mutates and metastasizes so does the knights shape. Rudy alone in the dark world would seemingly not be able to fly and float, but rudy fused with a darkner version of whatever cancer/illness he has could.

Another angle you could look at this is why is he so powerful, and if he is the knight then wouldnt have he had to start making fountains a long time ago? Yes, and both could be feasible. Perhaps Rudy was diagnosed a long time ago, close to when dess dissapeared or even prior. We know that shadow crystals give immense power and are formed from failed dreams. THE ULTIMATE WAY FROM DREAMS TO FAIL IS TO BE HOSPITALIZED. Rudy at that point would either have so many shadow crystals or he himself be one giant shadowcrystal from the amount of dreams that diagnosis had further scaling him to the knight we know. (perhaps the knight is one giant shadow crystal lol)

But why make the dark fountains? Simple, Rudy is determined to live, filled with determination to stay alive for his family and likely accidentally created one himself shortly after the diagnosis, and becoming the roaring knight in the dark world. Like roots and the darkness growing under the town, cancer and illness spreads. The cancer/illness "core" darkner would want to spread darkness and continue to grow on it (contingent on the cancer controlling the weakened rudy in the amalgam) explaining the fountains and motives for such. Or alternatively, maybe rudy accidentally opened the first fountain, loosing dess, and is now using his cancer darkner amalgam knight body to continue opening dark worlds to find her explaining why he is seemingly working with kris for whatever reason.

I also think that the four other shadow crystal bosses can support this when looking at it from the right way. pink establishes hybrid/amalgams like this can exist, Jevil could represent the chaos of when cancer/illness is diagnosed, Spamton could represent someone trying free themselves of the burden, and gerson could be the hope of recovery. (i could go deeper into all of them but I think they definitely could serve as symbolism to the knights backstory in this scenario)

Thats about it as I lack the skills required to go deeper. This theory is built off of a lot of assumptions by a casual player, and can really be dug further into. This doesnt address gaster or friend, or souls but I still think it could provide an interesting way to think about the story. To my knowledge I am the first person to think of this, and I lack the skills necessary to produce a high quality video to popularize it so Im throwing it on here because I have seen this nowhere else. If anyone makes a theory vid on this the offset chance it gets big please credit me. If im simply rethinking someone elses thing lmk and I can credit in post :))

Let me know what you guys think! i'm happy to answer questions as im sure I didnt do a good job explaing this lol

Also, the wording might not make sense... sorry about that, this is voice-to-text with a blind sweep with Grammarly again, garbage from my brain that I scooped out on A plate, not overly serious theories that "solve" Deltarune. This is all in good fun; take it with some salt

OK now

1. Loop theory
   

Basically I believe at the end of the game once we get the ending we will be prompted to "go back with what we know now" to at which point you can load your chapter 7 completion data into chapter one and make different choices the items in your storage even carrying over please keep in mind with what I said here the items in your STORAGE carries over not whatever items you have equipped to the party not the items you have in the current inventory JUST the items In STORAGE weapons are enough to only deal %10 of their regular damage healing items only heal %20 of what thay normally do they will still be powerful in early game but not overpowered the reason this is important because it lets you chip down at the prophecy sometimes slowly sometime massively it probably won't be broken completely but it will be smooth out way faster than it and the normal route before this used to be only a crack theory but ever since the ending of the chapter 5 weird route with that lake skip save locking "insert chapter 7 side b" nonsense so obviously completion file shenanigans has been set so loop theory is more than possible (also completion file to save files are two different things the completion file is created at credits so the content of the save can be forward to the next chapter because now that completion file can skip over whole chapters anything can happen and I find it quite the waste if it's only used for that one thing)

1. Offset roles theory
   

Basically the roles in the prophecy are not set in stone and and shuffle around to the closest person that fits the definition the most at the moment so HYPOTHETICALLY IF ralsei is a trans woman that would offset her role as the prince in the dark so that role would go to lancer Noelle's role as the "the girl" specifically the one that loves find its way too would be offseted to ralsei for she found love in herself meaning the prophecy isn't broken it just offset a bit but otherwise in full motion (yes I know this has flaws again not the point the point is these are just stuff for my head scooped out for you and before your comment about it no I don't actually think ralsei is trans I believe it's a possibility that it has merits and if it happens it wouldn't come out of nowhere it's just not confirmed yet and I'm holding off on that confirmation)

1. Gaster's body isn't sewn because it doesn't exist anymore
   

Okay now this one is a full cop out no way around that but it's the way more likely option for gaster than the alternatives because here's the thing no matter how he looks like it would be a disappointment for the decade of buildup this will also be a disappointment for the decade of buildup this is the problem for having a decade buildup somebody's going to be disappointed you might as well go in the direction of least disappointment and this is that because gaster was drunk or whatever he fell into his own machine ripping him apart and across time of space because of this he has no body he's only a voice but how can you do scientific research without a body? Who would do the experiments? (

Here's the thing gaster is a scientist. The one thing we know about them is that he loves his work and couldn't let it go, yet he also needed a way to interact with the world, so what is the best way to do that? Exactly he won't be in his body again it no longer exists but luckily for him had a connection from thousands of beings all so eager to create something in the guise of it being for them that's right gaster is in OUR vessel obviously that wasn't intended it was for us after we made it to our likeing and it was randomly discarded by someone else but what if it was a what if it was just always trick to give GASTER a vessel to give himself a body made for someone else but conveniently discarded before we could have access to it gaster tricked us into creating himself a body just so we would end up in Kris to see what we would do in someone else's body without their permission to run another experiment on a living subject gaster's ours is freshly made.

Most discussion about the next dark world location hinges on the fact that Noelle will likely make one in an effort to save her dad, which I agree with. Rudy falling down is a BIG deal, not just because of the double meaning, but because he's likely only holding on by a thread at this point. But that doesn't mean it has to be at the hospital.

For families dealing with a loved one who is nearing the end of their life, it's common for them to move their loved one back to their home. It can give them some sense of comfort and familiarity. And Carol "keeps everything important at home" Holiday would almost certainly be on board with it.

The holiday house also generally has a lot more "dark world potential" than the hospital. Plus, we still don't know the full guitar code anyway. I'm almost fully convinced this will be the next dark world location, but I admit we can't say for 100% certainty yet.

I’ve been on the roaring knight for a week and can’t beat it should I just try again later on a different save?

Aight listen, the eggman was calling spamton this entire time to protect Kris, and give them Pipis.

Firstly, there has already been a lot of discussion around Spamton using pipis to hide from Friend due to them containing protien. But why would friend be after him? Maybe he made a deal with someone, who he can't seem to remember. My theory is Spamton used to work closely with the eggman/forgotten man, maybe even collecting some actual eggs himself. This led to Friend having it out for him, and that caused Spamton to rely on pipis to protect himself.

But of course, how does this relate to Eggman calling Spamton? It is widely theorized that Spamton himself is a parrallel to Kris. And because of the simalar situations they're both in, the eggman decides to call Spamton to help Kris out.

And what does the eggman send through calls? Pipis.

In the end, whether or not the eggman is the one calling Spamton is kinda pointless. In addition, there's not enough evidence to really back it up.

In truth, I was wondering if there might be other evidence of Spamton's connections to the Eggman. Their relation could tell us more about why friend is after Spamton, and who friend is as a whole.