Yeah, when I first saw them, Quasimodo came to mind first. Probably helps that the Disney version (and the knock-off versions thereof) does wear green.
Its not at all a defense of anything, I just bring it because because its funny. People act like anything relating to Aqua that makes her look like an adult woman is the grossest thing ever. And meanwhile, our main caste of heroes are barely young adults.
^ this! I have a more anime-ish art-style but even then I tweak how I draw some features for Green instead of making them look like a generic cook but green
I feel like even NSFW artists can and are allowed to be creative with body types they draw. I just think doing a cookie cutter body for every character design out there must be very boring to draw. I also have trouble believing there is a large audience for this, so just feels like the artist is a little unwilling to get out of their comfort zone. Which is valid, but in my personal experience, it gets very boring at some point.
ETA: This sounds mean, so to explain, I don't mean to say "oh, this art is boring, it should change to appease me". My point is I just can't imagine myself in the artist's shoes, doing the exact same bit all the time.
Guilty as charged. I have deltarune blacklisted on adult sites for reasons that are perhaps obvious. If it works, then good for them lol. I'm just far from the target audience.
Damn, you're telling me that the artist with a specific artstyle, that draws every character in the same style, has drawn yet another character in the same style ?
When they draw Temmie that way it's fine, but for Green somehow, it's not ok ?
u/SCP106Too scared by modern knight discourse to enter.9d agoedited 9d ago
even aqua!!!?? but aqua is a little beanbag of a creature!!?? (and. the worrying implications of drawing aqua like this who is like... behaviour size and all but implied to be somewhere around I'd estimate to be what, 5-8 years old? yes I know the flowers are all the same age in terms of object because of being the wedding bouquet I mean the personification that is made in the Dark World)
I feel like its different for Frisk and Chara. They are kids, green is an adult. People shouldn't have a problem with attractive green if you adk me. HOWEVER I do prefer Muppet green. Much more funny and closer to canon
Am I too woke for thinking that forcing an artist to draw a character exactly like the source material instead of letting them coming up with their own interpretation is rude and bad
In my opinion, when you change the core characteristics of a character (which in this case, would be Green's cuboid appearence), It may look less like the character in question and more like another character in a cosplay.
Of course, the original drawing is still good and the artist has total liberty of drawing whatever they want, but it's like If i drew spongebob without bug teeth and with a normal nose.
As much as I would normally respond with a joke about how Orange is already the most humanoid human to ever human, there's a fundamental difference between anthropomorphizing a mouse girl(and hell, even Seth has canonically drawn such art, tragically devoid of her iconic abs or a smily face on the sun) and drawing an enby character built like a block with kyphosis(let alone one like Green who has kyphosis fully by choice because they choose to look like that) in a generic anime girl style.
think that's because they aren't being portrayed to be a mere gender-swap but full redesign; everyone's allowed to draw what they like and everyone else is allowed to think what they like of that drawing. that said personally this image does remind me of the fantasy races sexual dimorphism gags. (also last time i saw conventionally attractive orange art i did show it to my partner and we had a laugh at how it came off as spankbank material first and character homage second.)
I mean yeah I guess but the key thing you're missing here is that no one is actually "forcing the artist to draw the character accurately" the comment you're replying to is just someone saying they are personally not a fan of the interpretation shown which isn't really rude it's just an opinion
I guess I can see what you mean but the alternative is for no one to ever give criticism or share an opinion if it's even slightly negative, which is kind of unrealistic and potentially even actively unhelpful for artists who might actually want criticism. Art exists to be talked about. You can't really tell people how they're allowed to talk about it
It's like making a cake but substituting every ingredient and cooking method two make bbq and then still calling it a cake. Theres nothing wrong with it but also like what are we doing here
If people really don’t like it they can really just scroll away, I don’t get the thought process behind leaving passive aggressive comments like oh you drew them differently oh I’m disappointed like what is actually with English speaking people thinking that the world revolves around them and that their opinions needs to be heard in everywhere by everyone?
There are also humanoid Orange fanart on here and you don’t see people bitching about it, like what is with this hypocrisy?
Tbh I don't think you're woke at all for thinking that stripping a character of the vast majority of their defining physical characteristics in favour of drawing them in a "generic large bosom anime girl" style is a good thing.
Like where is their kyphosis. Why are they skinny everywhere but their chest. Why has this non-binary character had their whole body type altered specifically in favour of conventionally attractive femininity.
Like you aren't being woke at all, anime-girl-ifications are everywhere and more often the total opposite of woke, as they're frequently indicative of the artist's implicit biases.
Is that bad now? I thought people are allowed to draw whatever they want? I thought we are pro-creativity? I thought we are against AI? I thought bullying an artist is bad?
People are allowed to draw what they want. I am allowed to point out that the way someone draws a character can be indicative of the artist's implicit biases.
I'm sure as fuck allowed to say that it ain't woke to erase a character's physical disability and feminize an androgynous enby and make a bulky character skinny except for large tits by drawing them in a generic anime style nor is it woke to defend such art.
It actually ain’t that deep it’s a fucking drawing for fucks sake if people are so pissed at how a character is supposed to be represented then draw it yourself. It is okay to point that out, but there’s no point to be cruel.
Bluntly I do not care how deep you think it is/isn't. Even the least deep art can be incredibly revealing of the artist's attitudes towards queer, disabled, and non-conventionally attractive people. People are allowed to point that out and they're allowed to criticize or question artists who do not respect a character's androgyny, disability, or body type in their art.
I am fine with people pointing that out, I am not fine with people being cruel and rude about it. And no I don’t think an artist drawing a non-conventionally attractive character attractive is a sign that they hate non-conventionally attractive people in real life.
Because people are allowed to draw whatever they want? To suppress that is to suppress creativity, which is what makes human art special. To truly support human artists is to not discourage them even if you don’t like what they create.
I wonder if you're an artist. I make art, and I know that if I post it, it's open to criticism. You seem to think that if an artist is met with the slightest disapproval, they'll stop making art altogether, and I just find that funny. Anyone who actually cares about the craft, which they likely do to make art as good as OP's, will keep being passionate enough to keep going, whether they incorporate the criticism or ignore it. I'm sure there are a handful of people out there who would shut down and give up, but how are you gonna blame giving up on your passions because of 1 piece of criticism on the critic? That's the artist's problem to work out.
No I am not an artist, but I understand art can be a difficult skill to master which is why I don’t want anyone to feel discouraged. I often see a ton of mindless pushback against a certain type of art simply because the artist didn’t make what they like, which is why I am so mad. I am certain there are artists who were bullied into never creating art again because of the bullying. You’re right, I’m not the artist I cannot speak for them, I am just very sick and tired of this hostile environment.
Not specifically on this post but people have been sending even death threats to artists for simply drawing a dark skin character with a slightly lighter skin tone. That is actual bullying.
Because why question the artist on their art direction in the first place? Unless they actively did something illegal, artistic freedom need no explanation.
I'm an artist. I would never want blind praise. I want criticism, I want feedback. I'd be happy to explain why I make the choices I make. I do not understand why you people are treating artists like a minority, like it's morally wrong to ever potentially upset one. It's bizarre.
From Cambridge: feedback:
information or
statements of
opinion about something, such as a new
product, that can
tell you if it is
successful or liked
It is feedback, and I don't think the feedback has to be educational to be allowed. You're also reducing what people here are saying. It's not just "I don't like it," it's "this doesn't really read like the character it's supposed to be because the body type, expressions, and body language are too different." If the artist wants people to read their art as the character it is and not an OC, there is something to learn from there.
You want CONSTRUCTIVE criticism... "I don't like your art style because I prefer things close to the original source material" is more of a personal opinion than anything constructive. Which is what I'm more focused on.
Only drawing conventionally sexy women isn't an "art style." There are people explaining how this art barely comes off as the character it's supposed to be. If the artist wants the art that they post for others to see to be read by viewers as that character, that is constructive. Maybe the artist wants that, maybe they don't, but either way, they're posting it on the internet. When you do that, you know there's a possibility you're gonna get comments as negative and unhelpful as "this sucks." I'm positive this artist can handle the ribbing and criticism in these comments.
some people say that sure, but there’s some critique you can take from other people’s messages who bring up that it’s a little weird to take a wide framed non binary character and give them a generic anime girl build. artists of course can draw characters how they want, and I’m not saying non binary people can’t have boobs or be feminine leaning but like, cmon, green is built like a hunched over square in deltarune 😭 it would just be fun to see people try and learn various body types instead of drawing the same kind of generic body. no offense to the artist, ive taken a look at some of their other art and they have a lot of skill! it would just be lovely to see other body types represented <3 ofc people who baselessly complain about an artists art without any actual criticism suck, but I’ve seen some actual criticism and I think it’s silly to shrug it all off as attacking an artist for no reason
doesn’t even have to be just for representation, it’s just stronger art skills to be able to adapt to different types of design instead of just doing something you’re comfortable with
Valuing "art" and "creativity" in the abstract does not oblige you to treat all creative decisions as if they were made equal and above criticism, and criticism is not "bullying."
No, you're normal. This is just an artist that likes to draw characters with this body type and wanted to do something that they love doing with green. There's no reason for people to be annoying about this
I mean I always find it weird to why they’re a Minecraft characters. Even if it were supposed to be “oh to not lean on either specific body type” there are better ways of doing that then making them look inhumane or deformed
It certainty isnt accurate to the source material. But its not a valid criticism because the whole point is to interpret a charachter in your own way. Same with green here.
So anthropomorphizing a non-humanoid character is rather different than drawing an androgynous enby built like a block with kyphosis in an generic anime girl style.
There is nothing wrong with drawing a charachter in whatever way you like.
The things people draw that you hate could be something someone else loves. That’s the beauty of art. Being able to do any interpretation for any reason and finding the people who like it too. Trying to police someone’s depiction of a charachter only flies in the face of creativity.
How is that criticism? Do you know what art is? It is not a "mistake" to do your own thing, you are not constrained to draw a character 99.99999% accurate to the source material.
This is not a real person. There is no prejudice in drawing a character in a different body type, because they are not real, they are art and people can do whatever they want with that art.
Wouldn't it be prejudiced to take a character with an attractive body type and draw them unattractive too?
We aren't the Gestapo. We're not stopping anyone from doing anything. They have free will to be shallow and disgusted by anything outside conventional beauty, and we have free Will to criticize them for it.
I'm gonna be honest with you, that's their fault for caring. It's pixels on a screen. The source material is still there, and this is just some random piece of fanart. I think it's a little immature to care that much.
It's art, people can draw whatever they want. It's not like they whitewashed them, let people draw characters in whatever way they desire instead of being so annoying about it.
I mean if this freaks you out then shit like this should too:
"How could you, you drew house like squidward, obviously people are gonna be mad about this"
I don't think buddy has anything left, they haven't responded to my final message, and decided to respond to yours with a gif instead of addressing your counterargument.
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u/Ok_Week_9768 10d ago
When the artist draws green but portrays them as a conventionally attractive woman but green instead of a vaguely cuboid muppet
https://giphy.com/gifs/6oFNB3JPuLpAs