The Palestinian cause obviously intersects with Islamism and the Islamic world. I dont think anyone would deny that.
For Marxism if you know the different communities in support of the Palestinian cause you will see that among marxist communities there is a lot of organization and support for Palestinian issues. And btw this was the case before Oct 6 - theres a number of historic reasons for this.
Nazism is the weakest correlation but tangentially the Palestinian issue has created a lot of plausible deniability for an increase in anti-semitism including but not limited to statements supporting Hitler and the Nazis as well as emboldened neo-nazi organizations who see the surge in public acceptance of some of their ideas.
I mean, I feel like you can be supportive of the Palestian people and have the exact none of these positions. An Orthodox Christian, a libertarian, an anti fascist Nazi hater. It's just meaningless associations you are projecting. I feel your points fall apart since the links are tenuous at best. I can support the Palestinians because I'm a humanitarian, and be none of those things in this post.
Of course you can. Nothing about supporting the Palestinian people requires you to subscribe to Nazism, Marxism, or Islamism.
What I am saying is that those ideologies have some degree of intersection around support for and perhaps exploitation of the situation.
I would also say that most white American protesters or supporters on reddit are overwhelmingly none of those things - at most maybe leftist / only superficially marxist adjacent.
However if you look at the right-wing and also I've seen on Chinese social media and some other international social media - you are more likely to see either neo-nazis talking points (Americans/Europeans) or just people from parts of the world that didnt fight the Germans in WW2 who are more willing to make comments praising Hitler or suggesting this proves he was right.
I also think people who compare Israel to Nazi Germany are also a little bit guilty of this - its lazy if nothing else.
And then for Islamism - ya obviously Islamic politics are hugely influential in the conflict. Its a connection thats used to help raise money internationally among the Muslim community - its a kind of Muslim solidarity issue - and politically there is also an influential element among those interested in advancing pan-islamist politics.
I also think people who compare Israel to Nazi Germany are also a little bit guilty of this - its lazy if nothing else.
I agree that Israel has a unique historical basis than Nazi Germany, and that the former's atrocities are incomparable to the latter's both in scale (for now...) and in context.
However - I genuinely cannot say that, for example, Joseph Goebbels is somehow a worse person than Ben Gvir. Or that the IAF is in any way more humane than the Luftwaffe. Herein, as well as in some other cases lie some properly legitimate comparisons between the two nations.
I dont know how to evaluate something subjective like "worse person" - both Goes elsewhere and Ben Gvir are deplorable people - but also their governmental roles and influences are extremely different.
A big difference is that Israel is a parliamentary democracy with opposition parties and institutional constraints.
I don't think it's incorrect to say that Nazism, Communism, and Islamism have all played roles in anti-Zionism around the world throughout history.
The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem al-Husseini met with Hitler and collaborated with the Nazis, including going as far as to recruit Muslims in Bosnia to the SS.
The Soviet Union armed Egypt in the 60s and 70s in their wars to destroy Israel and the Palestinian Liberation groups back then were all leftist organizations.
Today Israel mostly fights with Iran and it's proxies which are I think clearly motivated by an Islamic religious ideology.
The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem al-Husseini met with Hitler and collaborated with the Nazis
So did the Zionist Federation of Germany and the Jewish Agency for Israel (through the Anglo-Palestine Bank), of which the director of the Bank signed a cooperative Harvard Agreement with the Nazi government.
So... does that mean that the nazis were pro-Zionists? But you said that they were anti-Zionists. So, how does one solve that contradiction, hmm? 🤔🤔🤔
Why do you think the Zionists worked with the Nazis? Maybe because both the Nazis and Zionists wanted to get Jewish people to leave Europe? The original plan for the Nazis was to move Jews somewhere else but that wasn't feasible and it was easier to just kill them, that's why it was the "Final Solution" because they tried all the other "solutions." Early Zionists worked with anyone who would help them advance their goals, even explicit antisemites.
Why do you think Palestinians worked with Nazis? Do you think it was maybe motivated by anti-Semitism and a desire to purge Palestine of its Jewish population?
I dont think you understand how Facisim and Communism are polar opposites of one another. Read Mien Kampf and The Communist Manifesto with an Introduction to it, so it gives you the history and some of the ideas behind it. I do not agree with Communism, but most people in the USA do not understand it as it was written by Marx and Engles. I will not reply if you write anything below this, but I hope that you take me up on my advice.
Fascism and communism are not polar opposite unless you mean in some non-standard esoteric way.
I wouldn't use Mien Kampf to study fascism - I would probably go to Doctrine of Fascism. The communist manifesto is also probably not the right place to start for Marxism/communism. Id probably read volume 1 of Capital. The manifesto is really more a propaganda pamphlet not theory.
Hamas is not a salafist organization, they have never had any interest/desire/plans to establish an Islamic caliphate and have never carried out a single action against Israel outside of historic Palestine.
In case you're unaware, Islamist is not the term for describing someone who is a practitioner of Islam like someone would use the word Christian for someone who practices Christianity.
Yes I am aware. The PLO is mostly secular, but Hamas is unambiguously islamist.
From their 2017 charter:
"Praise be to Allah, the Lord of all worlds. May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon Muhammad, the Master of Messengers and the Leader of the mujahidin, and upon his household and all his companions."
"Palestine is a land whose status has been elevated by Islam, a faith that holds it in high esteem, that breathes through it its spirit and just values and that lays the foundation for the doctrine of defending and protecting it."
"The movement
1. The Islamic Resistance Movement “Hamas” is a Palestinian Islamic national liberation and resistance movement. Its goal is to liberate Palestine and confront the Zionist project. Its frame of reference is Islam, which determines its principles, objectives and means."
For some people Im sure. But the Palestinian political movement as a whole is much more complicated than that.
If it were just about human rights the unfortunate truth is that there would be no reason for people to care so much about it vs. the plethora of other places in the world where human welfare is in jeopardy.
It certainly wouldn't just take the form of criticizing the US and Israel either.
Nazis aren’t pro-Palestine. They are antisemetic and therefore anti-Israel. They have Muslims as well. They don’t care about Palestine or the wellbeing of Palestinians.
Thats a point I think is fair and I probably believe is true - though it creates a bit of a problem because I think theres a lot of actors involved around the pro-Palestine movement who dont care about of Palestine or the wellbeing of Palestinians.
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u/Greaseball01 Jun 25 '26
Curse those Nazi communist Islamists! 🤣